extinguisher bottle as an air tank... how do i set it up?

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 1:51 pm

UMM ok i was wrong bout the 22mm wall thickness its about 12mm wall thickness (measured it properlly) :rofl:

ill just blame the bottle of bundy i had that arvo :armsup:

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:25 pm

HA HA HA ROSCO YOU GOT THAT IDEA OF ME YA BASTARD

UMMMM DONT WORRY BOUT THIS THRED IM ON DRUGS LMAO :rofl:

Post by **Ruggers** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 3:42 pm

i was going to to use an extinguser botte still got it but cant get a hold of a fitting for the end. so i got one form opp lock for 50bucks its about 1 litre maybe bigger and has 4 1/8 holes drilled in to it 2 two at each end . i also have a truck tank but it to big untill i get my body lift. and a truck air compressor it runs of oil from the engine

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:27 pm

dumbdunce wrote:how big is this cylinder Jake? have you got endless or a clisby compressor? the little compressors 9ARB, blue tongue, big red etc) will take forever to air up a decent sized tank, it can exceed the acceptable duty cycle of the compressor and lead to early compressor failure. (even 'continuous' rated compressors are only rated for continuous use up to 50 PSI, they start getting nice and warm when run for a long time at higher pressures.

this is what is stamped into the bottle:

TT4160
WC5,30KG (think this means its 5.3kg? not sure)
TW4,30KG (think this means its 4.3kg? but again not sure)

ok i just had a look and it looks like its pretty close to 2 x 2L COKE BOTTLES......

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:10 pm

ZUK-16V wrote:I agree with JAKE, a fire extinguisher bottle is a great idea and cheap and ezy enough to come across. U all say that its not designed for this use or that buy a proper air tank, well guys an extinguisher bottle IS an engineered and rated pressure vessel that is designed to withstand a lot higher pressures than a semi air tank or any off the shelf air tank, they are designed not only to hold the 240 psi of CO thats in them but also to withstand the excess in pressure build up from the heat of a fire which will increase this pressure even more.

And being an ex firey myself i know what their capable of.

GREAT idea Jake i might have to give it a go myself.

THANKS ZUK.... :armsup:

.....SEE i knew i was and ideas kinda bloke......up here for thinkin down there for playin

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:16 pm

Shorty40 wrote:
ZUK-16V wrote:I agree with JAKE, a fire extinguisher bottle is a great idea and cheap and ezy enough to come across. U all say that its not designed for this use or that buy a proper air tank, well guys an extinguisher bottle IS an engineered and rated pressure vessel that is designed to withstand a lot higher pressures than a semi air tank or any off the shelf air tank, they are designed not only to hold the 240 psi of CO thats in them but also to withstand the excess in pressure build up from the heat of a fire which will increase this pressure even more.

And being an ex firey myself i know what their capable of.

GREAT idea Jake i might have to give it a go myself.

.......... for putting out fires :roll:

SHORTY40 we already know this :finger:

but thanks for spelling it out.... once again :finger:

i think he was tryin to get the point across that this CO2 fire extinguisher bottle can hold alot of pressure and wood make a great air tank

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:19 pm

dumbdunce wrote:how big is this cylinder Jake? have you got endless or a clisby compressor? the little compressors 9ARB, blue tongue, big red etc) will take forever to air up a decent sized tank, it can exceed the acceptable duty cycle of the compressor and lead to early compressor failure. (even 'continuous' rated compressors are only rated for continuous use up to 50 PSI, they start getting nice and warm when run for a long time at higher pressures.

ok i am currently runnin an ARB compressor.... and after gettin some advice from a bloke in-the-know (thanks ruff) i was plannin on runnin one of those BUSH RANGER COMPRESSORS that have been advertised in 4WD MONTHLY quite abit..... what do you recon brian?

Post by **RUFF** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:23 pm

JAKE wrote:ok i am currently runnin an ARB compressor.... and after gettin some advice from a bloke in-the-know (thanks ruff) i was plannin on runnin one of those BUSH RANGER COMPRESSORS that have been advertised in 4WD MONTHLY quite abit..... what do you recon brian?

I reckon you wont be running any Air Tools off it.

Post by **MUSS** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:28 pm

HMMM bugger..... i might haveto find another CO2 extinguisher bottle the same size then

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:48 pm

ok i have managed to track down a second CO2 bottle (same as the other one) and yes its free....... it waitin for me back in townsville so i shood be able to run air tools of it now :armsup:

RUFF will the BUSHRANGER MAX-AIR do the job?

Post by **RUFF** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:53 pm

It wont run Air tools no mater how many Tanks you use.

Well it will but only in VERY short bursts like 10 seconds every 5 min.

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 10:57 pm

RUFF wrote:It wont run Air tools no mater how many Tanks you use.

Well it will but only in VERY short bursts like 10 seconds every 5 min.

HMMM so what do i have to do or get to be able to use a rattle gun or air tools?

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:30 pm

or what compressor do i have to get then?

Post by **RUFF** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:44 pm

You either need to be able to charge those tanks with CO2 before you use them. Or you need an engine driven Compressor to feed them like a Endless Air System.

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:46 pm

hmmm might have to go an endless air set up then..... well there goes the air conditioner

not that it was workin in the first place :rofl:

Post by **RUFF** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:48 pm

You should be able to fit another compressor without loosing the AC.

Post by **MUSS** » Fri Jan 02, 2004 11:50 pm

yeah thats what every one has said but there aint enough room for another ac pump.... besides all hard core wanna beees dont not air con just need BIG CAHUNAS :armsup:

Post by **robbie** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:01 am

I will be building an OBA setup pretty soon and I too am getting a Co2 bottle..

how much PSI can they hold safely?

Post by **MUSS** » Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:03 am

robbie wrote:I will be building an OBA setup pretty soon and I too am getting a Co2 bottle..

how much PSI can they hold safely?

ZUK-16V said 240

Post by **dumbdunce** » Sun Jan 04, 2004 2:39 am

RUFF wrote:
I reckon you wont be running any Air Tools off it.

I agree. you need endless, or a big Clisby, or one of those American jobs with the winch motor/air cond compressor setup to get enough CFM, no matter how big your tank is.

if you want to see an impressive range of compressors and tanks have a look at
airbagit.com

the other alternative for running air tools is obviously the CO2 tank with a regulator.

Post by **MUSS** » Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:37 pm

THIS IS THE BOTTLE I HAVE GOT AND I HAVE BEEN TALKIN ABOUT :armsup:

Post by **fatassgq** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:49 am

Hey Jake,
Use your aircon compressor mate you wont regret it if your air con is not working anyway. I run one and pump tyres up so quick you would be green :armsup:

Rattle gun works really well too. Only trouble is every bastard wants you to use ya pump to air up and rattle there spacers/ wheels on!!!!

I run a big tank and it fills up real quick. All the fittings are readily available and they are usually easy to mount.

I can not imagine going offroad without one now.
Set up is simple

'YOU CAN DO IT' trust me it is worth it

Post by **MUSS** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 4:18 pm

fatass75 wrote:Hey Jake,
Use your aircon compressor mate you wont regret it if your air con is not working anyway. I run one and pump tyres up so quick you would be green
Rattle gun works really well too. Only trouble is every bastard wants you to use ya pump to air up and rattle there spacers/ wheels on!!!!

I run a big tank and it fills up real quick. All the fittings are readily available and they are usually easy to mount.
I can not imagine going offroad without one now.
Set up is simple

'YOU CAN DO IT' trust me it is worth it

where can i get all the bits and pieces to set it up from?

Post by **fatassgq** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:51 pm

Hey Jake,
Mate do you guys have a compressor sales/service shop around you. They are the ones to go to. Look in the yellow pages.

Run the best quality hose you can afford especially from the outlet of the compressor as it can get hot. I just run a contact style pressure switch in the engine bay. They are excactly the same as most 240 v compressors run. You only need air in and out.
I run a line back from the tank after a one way valve to the switch so when the tank gets to 120 or so it stops pumping.
Run a water seperator back neer the tank as far away from the compressor as possible as this way you will catch the most moisture. I run my pressure gauge off the pressure switch under the bonnet. I see no real need to have a pressure guage in the cab. Run a filter from the inlet on a small length of hose so you can zip tie it out of the way. (you can get all this stuff from a compressor mob_)
If you want it switchable from inside the cab(i would recomend this) you can either use your original A/C on switch or run a push button style switch with a light. (this is how i have mine. lets me know for sure when the system is on) Get an auto sparky who does air con to de gas your system then once every now and then put about a teaspoon of mineral oil down the inlet. I have never run a return line for the oil as I don't have an oil seperator and it is too easy to just top her up every second trip or so.
Make sure your tank has a drain rooster even with a water seperator.
It is a good idea to take the truck and the bits you have to the shop and you can visualize what you need and check while you are there.

Anything else let me know.
sorry I missed ya call the other day I might pm ya my home number cause me mobile don't work real good inside the house.

Brian

Post by **Thor** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 6:56 pm

After what Brian just said, onboard endless air sounds tempting :lol:

Post by **hottiemonster** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:05 pm

yes, it does for me too!

Post by **fatassgq** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:07 pm

Yep I once pumped up mine and two other cars 35" tyres (4 each!) from around 18 to 30 psi in the time it took an arb to pump about one tyre. :finger:

I use an arb pump for the only thing it is good for LOCKERS!
The more revs ya give the motor the faster they pump.
I normally idle mine up with the hand throttle to about 1000 1500 rpm and it rocks

I will try to get some pics of mine if I can just learn to resize em small enough to get on?!!!!! :roll:

Post by **hottiemonster** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:21 pm

so with the ARB compressor

if the motor is running they pump up faster?

and if u rev to 1500rpm it will pump even faster?

casue i can use mine on accessories.

Post by **Bluey** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:47 pm

hottiemonster wrote:so with the ARB compressor

if the motor is running they pump up faster?

and if u rev to 1500rpm it will pump even faster?

casue i can use mine on accessories.

no, fatass is talking about aircon compressor, as this is run by fan belt so higher engine speed higher output. arb is 12volt compressor, it therefore uses 12volts to run dc motor to drive air pump, faster engine will do squat.

After what Brian just said, onboard endless air sounds tempting

but if you have air con now, and doesnt work like jake :armsup:

, and me

, why not convert to something useful. anyway, thats what window winders are for. should cost less than endless air too

Post by **fatassgq** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:56 pm

pretty sure endless air is over 350 just for the unit then you got brackets and fittings etc.
I hate aircon anyway no matter how hot it is so it was a logical swap for me and so far in about 18months or more have had no probs at all

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