Outer Limits 4x4 Board

but you haven't driven a stock Sierra, you maybe surprised at how capable it actually is. better to drive it stock and then figure out what mods you need to do to suit your driving style and obstacles etc.

i dont understand why you guys are so keen on keeping it sprung under...

Dans quote for the day Sprung under = POS...

mate if u want any sort of a descent sierra you need to do a spring over..

otherwise just leave it stock i.e (2inch springs and body llift and blaah)

Dan

lay80n wrote: All your reasons are on the money. As for what its liek with 4 in the zook, it will depend on the leaves that are still in. I have never had 4 people (4 seats for that matter) in my zook, so i cant answer that personally. It will ride lower with weight in the back, as the overload is removed, but how low, and how it will ride will depend on shocks and remaining springs. Steve might be able to answer that one a bit better.

Layto....

Thanks Layto. I'm running standard springs etc now, but saving up for a complete suspension overhaul, untill then I'm prepared to experiment around with what I've got (to a sane extent). Thing that gets me, is the load springs are that inverted on my car, I reckon they do barely anything when the axles hit the stops anyway.

danman wrote:mate if u want any sort of a descent sierra you need to do a spring over..

WHAT!
Do you call yourself a Suzuki supporter?
A descent Sierra is one you can get in a drive, anything extra is a usefull bonus.

grimbo wrote:but you haven't driven a stock Sierra, you maybe surprised at how capable it actually is. better to drive it stock and then figure out what mods you need to do to suit your driving style and obstacles etc.

i have been out with Zooks before, both stock and mildly modded

i have been in and out of a variety of 4x4's over the last 10 years, i do understand what you are saying and i have taken it into account, not trying to pretend i know everything, as i clearly don't other wise i would not be here asking the questions, but i do know the type of driving i have done and what i hope to do, eg. i like to play on rocks and i do know enough to know that the ramp over, approach and departure angles on a stock rig will only lead to me causing damage to it

so in basic i am saying that yes a Zook may be pretty capible stock, but they are more capable once you modify them, or why else to we mod our rigs, so i am trying to get feedback on what mods you guys who are in the know would recommend as this Zook will be getting modified, to that there is no question

was going to stay away but meh.

Damnman - what sierra do you drive?

SPOA brings a lot off issues into the light, legalness and spring wrap is a couple of them.

SPUA can be made to work if u want it to.

Moses - If u look at my rig, it does what i want and drive pretty much anywhere i need it to.
31's, 1.6 mpfi, 2"sus, 2" BL, rear welded and front autolocker.
only running a 1L trans case for $$ saving so far but am aiming for 4.9s later.

Nic

nah your right nice bear, it all depends on what you wanna do with your zook.

if you just wanna drive on the street and up gutters.. then stay sprung under..

But if u want any descent flex out of your leafs, then definitely go spring over..

use your stock leafs,

get a high steer kit
make some perches
get extended brake lines
get some extra long shocks with extended hoops (rancho)
rock hops series4
track bar
make up some driveline spacers

then get some off-set rims with 31's or 33's

done.. youve got an animal.

My Zuk was SPUA with 2" springs, RUF, locked front and rear, 34" swampers and had heaps of flex and was a lot nicer to drive than a SPOA.

danman. wrote: But if u want any descent flex out of your leafs, then definitely go spring over..

use your stock leafs,

done.. youve got an animal.

Please explain to those of us us that know nothing about metallurgy or spring design how you can get "more travel" out of a stock spring?

Do you mean you don't run bumpstops? Wow, I'd never thought of that...

Keep talking Danman I've clearly got some learning to do

dude, we didn't come down with the last shower, how many years do you think I've been seeing crap SPOA's with stock springs and no bumpstops fall over, flog out springs and unis, fall over, get parked in the shed and to get a "coil conversion" before the owner runs out of money/time/ability, cuts the back off, then flogs the lot for nothing and whinges that they should have kept it closer to stock, or says "I never had as much fun as when my car was close to stock"

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:"I never had as much fun as when my car was close to stock"

Word that!!!!!

Doof on 31's, gears, SPUA with deleaved springs ( = no lift), no body lift, raised shock mounts and welded rear was a ton of fun.

danman. wrote:if you just wanna drive on the street and up gutters.. then stay sprung under..

I stunt gutters daily

Maybe I should go SPOA and move up to the really hardcore stuff

OMG anyone can have a car thats low to the ground with bumpstops and no flex...

any advantage u gain from keeping it low will be more than lost when u have no wheel travel and fall in a rut..

obviously when u go spring over your goana have to have heaps more offset to make it stable. but what you end up with is a way more capable 4wd with descent flex and clearance and not just a POS that has extended bumpstops to stop ur tyres scrubbing cause its so damn low.

Spring over places more leverage on your springs giving u more travel out of the same spring.. proven fact..

i know you guys wernt born last night... but i dont understand why u think a sprung under zook is going to perform better when it oviously doesnt..

I stunt gutters daily

Maybe I should go SPOA and move up to the really hardcore stuff

now your getting the picture.. theres more to 4wdriving than gutters and dirt roads..

danman. wrote:OMG anyone can have a car thats low to the ground with bumpstops and no flex...

any advantage u gain from keeping it low will be more than lost when u have no wheel travel and fall in a rut..

obviously when u go spring over your goana have to have heaps more offset to make it stable. but what you end up with is a way more capable 4wd with descent flex and clearance and not just a POS that has extended bumpstops to stop ur tyres scrubbing cause its so damn low.

Spring over places more leverage on your springs giving u more travel out of the same spring.. proven fact..

i know you guys wernt born last night... but i dont understand why u think a sprung under zook is going to perform better when it oviously doesnt..

why don't they obviously work? Have you actually modded a SPUA vehicle like we have that actually perform very well for the conditions we drive. You can get decent flex out of a SPUA, you get better stability, don't have to change your steering.

danman any examples of your Sierra and its fantastic SPOA

Do you mean you don't run bumpstops? Wow, I'd never thought of that...

maybe u should get a bit of room between your tyres and guards..

i dunno just a thought...

instead of outerlimits we should call this the 2inch spring, 2 inch body lift forum..

ok well to hopefully avoid any further talk of SPOA v SPUA........

for the time being i do not want to worry about modding the steering, so it will stay SPUA

ok well to hopefully avoid any further talk of SPOA v SPUA........

for the time being i do not want to worry about modding the steering, so it will stay SPUA

Nooo moses dont let them get to you too....

danman. wrote:

ok well to hopefully avoid any further talk of SPOA v SPUA........

for the time being i do not want to worry about modding the steering, so it will stay SPUA

Nooo moses dont let them get to you too....

I agree!

Do not listen to Gwagonsteve and do the following:

SPOA on Hilux Diffs
Commodore V6
10" Extended Shackles
40" Super Swampoggers MTRZBBQ
10 link rearend
and no shocks (they only limit flex)

You will be pro in no time

EDIT Found this when I googled SPOA. Is this what I need to do?

i agree with the first half of it...

dont listen to Gwagsteve and youl be fine


dont worry bout lifting your car, just put in extended bumpstops..

youl be fine then u can run 40" tyres no worries...

danman. wrote:

I stunt gutters daily

Maybe I should go SPOA and move up to the really hardcore stuff

now your getting the picture.. theres more to 4wdriving than gutters and dirt roads..

I know I'm in danger of copping flamimg from some of the lomger serving members on here but here is a pic of a SPUA car with 34" tyres and flex. So it can be done

Moses as i said last night i would go rears up front and get some new springs for the rear, Reduction gearing, wack the 31's on(might need a little grinding but not much!) and when you feel like it(I know what your like! ) CIG lockers!

The day we took the zook out you saw what it did and that was an easy as day! When you come down in a few weeks i'll take you for a wheel!

I have put more on the MJOC site though!

I know I'm in danger of copping flamimg from some of the lomger serving members on here but here is a pic of a SPUA car with 34" tyres and flex. So it can be done

yep you are definitely in danger..

Haha this is funny, all these ball bags that cry about SPOA being dangerous and hard to do right blah blah blah grow some balls. Yeah lets do SPUA 2 inch spring lift and 2 inch body lift. Oh hang on i want to put some bigger tyres, say 33s, damn they are scrubbing on my gaurds. Better put some extended bumpstops in, oh hang on my car now has the same flex as stock. Hrrmm SPUA, its like shaving a barbie dolls head, amusing but pointless.

MSCHIF wrote: its like shaving a barbie dolls head, amusing but pointless.

lol wtf?

Haha this is funny, all these ball bags that cry about SPOA being dangerous and hard to do right blah blah blah grow some balls. Yeah lets do SPUA 2 inch spring lift and 2 inch body lift. Oh hang on i want to put some bigger tyres, say 33s, damn they are scrubbing on my gaurds. Better put some extended bumpstops in, oh hang on my car now has the same flex as stock. Hrrmm SPUA, its like shaving a barbie dolls head, amusing but pointless.

finaaly someone on here who knows whats going on..

thanks mschif..

my point exactly..

ok well what i am thinking to get me going asap is.........

either 2" lift via springs or shackles
2" body lift
trim guards and fit new flares either CJ ot maybe some TJ flares
set of 31" muddies

alt of you have made mention about hitting guards, but few of you have mentioned cutting them, is there a reason for this ? i am in no way scared of geting out a grinder and cutting some steel away to make room for bigger tyres, i did this with my Jeep too, many said you can't run 33's with only a 4" lift, well i have and quite a few have followed in my foot steps, the only thing i need to know is how much can you trim away ?

i found with a good guard trim on my XJ i was able to get good flex pleanty of room in the wheel arches and still keep a low COG, i hope to do the same with a Zook

any opinions ??

as i have said i will not be doing a SPOA, at least not yet, due to my XJ off the road i need this as a DD and don't want it in the shed too long, tho it may be an option later on

I think you're all missing the point ..........you need IFS to drive hardcore!!!

ducking for cover

yeah most of the guys running the 33+ tyres with SPUA are running trimmed guards of varying amounts. Very easy to do on a Sierra and keep it nice and neat. Many people seem scared of guard cutting for some reason yet are happy to spend thousands on lifts etc

so is it possable to get 33's on with what i have mentioned if i do a fair amount of guard trimming ??

Moses wrote:so is it possable to get 33's on with what i have mentioned if i do a fair amount of guard trimming ??

2 inch body, and modified 2 inch spring, with a bit of body triming, will fit 33's. Make sure you budget for gearing too

Layto....