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A lot of it gets back to how strong the AUD is at the moment. I was buying stuff from the US years ago when the exchange rate was .48 not .85 as it is today. I was buying from the US not for price but because the stores in AU didn't stock what I wanted.

as far as i sit atm.. i will surport who surports me
now sunny from usa is willing to help me out a bit doing stuff a bit cheeper than the rest.
i have rang around alot of places! saying what i watned, what i wanted to do with it and that i was entering tuff truck.. even asked a few if they could cut a few $$$'s and i will chuck some stickers on the rig...
and not one has said yeah ok we can work something out!
im all for buying australia...
if there is any one here that will do that for me send me a pm!
im not saying i want shit for free tho!!

im all for the australian $$ and such.. but hell.. i buy enough stuff from aussie!! these will proberbly be the only parts i get from the us..

Did you ring me and BTW I get the sticker bit 10 times a day not week thats a day.

Cheezy4x4 wrote:Did you ring me and BTW I get the sticker bit 10 times a day not week thats a day.

Yeah I agree Mark, If somewants something from me and hasn't taken the time to do a bit of ground work then they usaly dont get any special price.

That said a bloke walked in one saturday morning waited until I wasn't busy and gave me a heap of photos of his truck and said this is what I'm building just wondering if you can look after me a bit as you guys did my work ute and would prefer to shop here.

Well of course we looked after him as he was serious about what he was doing and not just some weekend warrior playing big tuff guy.

Not saying this will work for everyone but if your serious about sponsorship take the time to do it right, leave it with them and let them get back to you when they get a chance to think about it.

Nick

Cheezy4x4 wrote:Did you ring me and BTW I get the sticker bit 10 times a day not week thats a day.

yeah true..
nope i havet rang you! nearly every one elce... you willing to do me a deal chezy? send me a pm

thats proberbly what makes it so hard..
every one wants a "cheep" deal..
and every one needs to make a crust...
im over looking for cheep stuff i guess.. just trying to find proper sponcers now.

Red_Zook wrote:

Cheezy4x4 wrote:Did you ring me and BTW I get the sticker bit 10 times a day not week thats a day.

yeah true..
nope i havet rang you! nearly every one elce... you willing to do me a deal chezy? send me a pm

thats proberbly what makes it so hard..
every one wants a "cheep" deal..
and every one needs to make a crust...
im over looking for cheep stuff i guess.. just trying to find proper sponcers now.

Look at it this way Phil.

Most people that buy air shocks are competing, they're not general trail rig equipment. If you did everyone a deal that's buying them there would be no point in selling them.

On top of that, you've never competed, your car doesn't really have anything that stands out for a sponsor, take a look at UJZ40 ? for what i mean by something that stands out for a sponsor. High quality work, very particular attention to detail lots of high dollar parts. Sorry but a budget built zook doesn't get the coverage people are looking for.

Usually first time drivers also don't get the sponsorship they "think" they deserve but have not yet earned.

If I can't offer you guys a fair deal, then maybe you don't know me well enough...

If u buy an air shock off me & one of them is delivered with a damage tube or somthing of the sort, be sure that i'll be sending you another & fast.... I try to stock a lot of product to assist when the this type of thing happens.. This is not any easy task if bought from OS..

I can supply just about any product on the market... So in future at least give us the opportunity to supply you. Same goes for other local businesses too.
The more my company grows the more I can help out, it is definately a 2 way street...
Take A_B for example,,, ( mr air locker ) how big are they.... who do they help out,,, very few people thats 4 sure.. its the smaller resellers that onforward the product at little or no margin.. not the corporate..

By the way, "COMP tax" was just for humour... its not a reality...

love_mud wrote:Long live the global economy.

Fact !

I though you are free to buy local and support your local economy .. in my case I support my own economy finding the best place to buy something at best price.

The best sponsorship I have has come from local businesses that I support. I didn't go in there complaining about price or asking for everything up front. I went in there, explained what I'm doing and then bought what was needed. In every case I have been given a discount. You will get nothing for nothing so you have to remember why you get sposorship / big discount. It is all about what you can offer the sponsor / company. Rest assured that if I go into any business I get a good response, in part because of history but also because of attitude.
Buy stuff wherever you want BUT it is the local guys that will really save you money. I've imported parts into NZ and I tell my sponsors why.
It really pisses me off when you get guys who decide to build a truck and expect to get everything really cheap and then be able to win comps straight off. Bugger off and do the hard yards first! In NZ at present we have a bunch of guys wanting a new class because they don't think they can win against the experienced competitors. (with high powered trucks and hydro winches) Tough shit I say as we all started with stadard trucks and modified then as we learnt and could afford it.
If you can't afford to do everything, then don't! Make a dream list and start at the top, working your way down as you can afford it. I did my first comp with bald tyres, a Ramsey winch, 2" springs (with buggered shocks) and no lockers. We came last, learnt a lot and had a great time.
If I had of built a truck from scratch before racing, it would have been a pig as untill you actuallyget out there and race you don't know shit from clay anyway. What I have now is different to everyone else I'm racing and is suited to how I approach things, and not someone elses idea of the perfect truck. It also still isn't finished and I doubt if it ever will be!

Sorry for the novel!!!!!!!!!!

its not nesecerly the discount or the sponcership..
i live in tassie... the last 4wd shop i rang about air shocks said "what the fawk are they"... so as you can proberby guess bits are a bit hard to get hold off down here
i carnt realy go in and spend a hour wandering about in a store b4 having a big chat...
i have to ring ppl.. and i kinda have to be front.. as a guy on the fone is usualy just a pia for most ppl!

but im building a comp truck.. yep its a budget truck, but still it does stand out and i will be trying to hook up some sponcership down here...
but in building a comp truck u need lots of bits.. air shocks are a starting point.. but i need, gears, diff gears, lockers, seats, etc etc....
but to this day not a person has aksed me who is looking after all my gear! thats a good $5000 of gear! well actualy more!
i may have been working in sales for to long.. but thats what i would be asking...
ah rant over..
so pete you gona help me out????
next time you get a call from phill from tassie u will know who it is!!!

TEAM OPW wrote:If I can't offer you guys a fair deal, then maybe you don't know me well enough...

i can agree to that
after forgetting to pick up some staun beadlocks off Pete at Eastern Creek werock

he express posted them up to me free of charge

that is service

TEAM OPW wrote:If I can't offer you guys a fair deal, then maybe you don't know me well enough...

If u buy an air shock off me & one of them is delivered with a damage tube or somthing of the sort, be sure that i'll be sending you another & fast.... I try to stock a lot of product to assist when the this type of thing happens.. This is not any easy task if bought from OS..

I can supply just about any product on the market... So in future at least give us the opportunity to supply you. Same goes for other local businesses too.
The more my company grows the more I can help out, it is definately a 2 way street...
Take A_B for example,,, ( mr air locker ) how big are they.... who do they help out,,, very few people thats 4 sure.. its the smaller resellers that onforward the product at little or no margin.. not the corporate..

By the way, "COMP tax" was just for humour... its not a reality...

I knew you were joking about the "Comp Tax". I feel that yourself & a couple other people are genuinely trying to give the best deals which is why I have told so many people to go to you with regard to the JD bender.
Unfortunately I too don't have a money tree & I am trying to keep my customers & my wife & family happy so my personal toys have to be sacrificed so if I can get the same product cheaper I will (within reason). I certainly don't go looking for overseas companies, the truth is it is only times like this that I actually take it into consideration.
I still forward customers to local companies.


brooksy

Red_Zook.
I have a couple of questions B4 sponsering.
1/ Who are you
2/ Where are you from
3/ what is your vehicle
4/ What have you done B4
5/ What do you offer me
6/ How do you stand out from the crowd
7/ Where do you stand on loyalty
8/ Whats your opinion of our products
9/ If you were to name 3 top companies you would like to represent, where would we sit.
10/ You asked me publicly to sponsor you but jumped to OPW at the drop of a hat (I was thinking about it ). (now ???).
Thanks for your interest
Cheezy (director of Cheezy Racing and Oz Rock 4x4 Australian Rock Crawling Champianchips).

cheezy..

1/ Who are you Phil curry

2/ Where are you from hobart tassie

3/ what is your vehicle sierra, gq's 39.5in iroks etc etc

4/ What have you done B4 built my last zook from ground up, lux diffs 35's etc, no comp experience, as there is nothing in my state but i can drive like a mad man when necessary and actually drive sensible when the terrain suits and I am willing to give anything a red hot go!

5/ What do you offer me, individuality, I am going to be the first person to comete in tuff truck, from tasmania. which in its self should coarse a lot of attention to the rig. but also great word of mouth and a possibility of being a distributor in this state for you, something that this state needs, a good source of hard core gear

6/ How do you stand out from the crowd, by being original, I am a tasmanian, every one can pull the piss out of me for shore, but all in all, I am a young guy having a big go, that is mad keen to get amongst it with the big boys

7/ Where do you stand on loyalty, well my main problem is finding some one loyal to me, if i can find some one willing to back me, i will be backing them 150%

8/ What’s your opinion of our products, from what i have scene, which isn’t a great deal, it is all top quality gear! and i really like your bars!

9/ If you were to name 3 top companies you would like to represent, where would we sit. well being a good company, that is wll known, sits highly with me

10/ You asked me publicly to sponsor you but jumped to OPW at the drop of a hat (I was thinking about it ). i didn’t necessarily jump to Pete, opw does have the same stance as cheezy racing, 2 very well know companies, who both support this great sport, if either of the 2 of you guys were to offer i would JUMP at the chance! i think that post came across a bit to front!
Thanks for having a read
Phil

Point 6 is funny. You're username is so original.

All the best with the build Phil, stick with it, spend your money on it, prove you can drive it, the go shopping for someone to help you out upgrading it.

This is always going to be a heated discussion, but always interesting

I'm in the states at the moment and was going to get some bits, but time and logistical restraints will probably nix that now. I really was only going to buy some stuff as it was opportunistic.

I'm pretty sure that most of the guys who have knocked local retailers as being money hungery and extortionate in price have never had to deal with customs, excise, the extra hidden costs of running a business etc. etc. They don't seem to realise that they are bypassing most of the expensive parts of importing.

But then on the flipside, getting into comps is starting to be like the housing market. The startup costs are phucking phenomenal compared to even 5 years ago. How many people were running air shocks and coilovers 5 or 10 years ago? How much did kym bolton spend on his truck last year???? How the hell is Joe average gonna spend that much on his suspension alone? More and more the comp scene is starting to look like an exclusive old money club, because if you don't own a parts/wreckers/modifications business you don't really have an in or a service to barter with your fellow exlusives. All you guys who are established competition racers now, what sort of truck did you start with? if it was a POS, do you really think you could turn up now in something similar and hold up your head, or come within a light year of the second last person or even finish??

I'm only ever going to be a play hard, logan challenge, tough tracks kinda guy. but i can see why anyone wanting to do XI or outback is getting kinda desperate to bypass the system and save a few bucks to get started.

I'm surprised at the amount of people you say make the stickers offer cheezy. I thought it might be a few, but that's amazing.

Redzook, perhaps you could ask cheezy how much it might be worth to him to have a big yellow chev emblem and name/brand message over the ENTIRE car?

To be honest, since i'm a competition nobody, i don't really want to take sides either way and don't really care. I'm just trying advocate boths sides so we can all just get along

finally, on service and helping others out
I went to XI last year with a mate who was competing, and was amazed at the stories of other competitors chipping in to get his truck ready for the next days racing. But i've also got experience of chatting to shop owners, and fabrication guys who look down there nose at me because i don't have 30 or 40 grand to chuck at them, or because i ask a bit of a noob question.

sierrajim wrote:Point 6 is funny. You're username is so original.

All the best with the build Phil, stick with it, spend your money on it, prove you can drive it, the go shopping for someone to help you out upgrading it.

i was just ancering the questins..
not expecting anything...
i actualy signed to outers to look at a mates zook... and it said i needed a user name.. i couldt think of sfa at the time.. i had a red zook.. so i went with that and it stuck...
it had nothing to do with copying tim... i was on here a good 6 months i recon b4 i enven know who he was...

I think that there is a point about sponsorship that's getting missed here.

90% of the time, people who get "sponsorship" have already invested plenty of hard earned in that supplier.

I get some good prices form some suppliers, but I've spent lots of money with them, they know I pay my bills, I don't bag them, and I steer others their way.

"Sponsorship" is no different. A sponsor is far more likely to offer support to people who have already supported him.

Generally, you have to make the investment before you see a return.

Steve.

rockcrawler31 wrote:
Redzook, perhaps you could ask cheezy how much it might be worth to him to have a big yellow chev emblem and name/brand message over the ENTIRE car?

please dont confuse me with this impostor

redzook wrote:

rockcrawler31 wrote:
Redzook, perhaps you could ask cheezy how much it might be worth to him to have a big yellow chev emblem and name/brand message over the ENTIRE car?

please dont confuse me with this impostor

Looks like i have stepped into some kind of catfight here

Gwagensteve wrote:
Generally, you have to make the investment before you see a return.

Steve.

As i'd said to Phil, "All the best with the build Phil, stick with it, spend your money on it, prove you can drive it, the go shopping for someone to help you out upgrading it."

If you're always shopping for the cheapest price, you most likely won't be buying much from one particular shop, the chances of anyone wanting to help out are slim.

sierrajim wrote: If you're always shopping for the cheapest price, you most likely won't be buying much from one particular shop, the chances of anyone wanting to help out are slim.

as i have said here.. its hard for me to shop at one place and get know to surplyers.. as we dont have a hard core surplyer down here! but as i said to cheezy b4 if he is keen i recon i can sell alota gear down here fror him!

i have to say what has been writen in this thread has changed my opinion on things completly..

i will be buying all my gear from local now (well as local as i can get)

its not nesecaraly about the sponcership.. but my truck will look abit bare without stickers!

Phil Curry Hmmmmmmm Do yo have a rello in sth western sydney named Garry Curry?

Gwagensteve wrote:I think that there is a point about sponsorship that's getting missed here.

90% of the time, people who get "sponsorship" have already invested plenty of hard earned in that supplier.

I get some good prices form some suppliers, but I've spent lots of money with them, they know I pay my bills, I don't bag them, and I steer others their way.

"Sponsorship" is no different. A sponsor is far more likely to offer support to people who have already supported him.

Generally, you have to make the investment before you see a return.


Steve.

That is probably the best reply to the whole Sponsorsip debate. If we Overkill,Cheezy,OPW etc sponsored everyone that rang up out of the blue we would spend more money than we make.
I would have 5-10 phone calls a week from someone that thinks they are building the best truck out there and if I look after them and give them a specail price then they will run a sticker for me. These are the people that as far as i'm concerned are really only out there to help themselves they don't really give a shit about the supplier they are trying to screw down for a better price.. I will support the Loyal customer that has baught of us and used our services well before someone that makes it out like they are doing me the favour by running my stickers. I would be looking at supporting a vehicle that is unique or stands out and runs the latest technology and to be honest and blunt (but not meaning to offend anyone) most of these rigs come from the leading workshops.

SAM

Every reply in this topic about sponsorship is why My hilux will stay sticker free.

Yes it runs 1 cheezyracing sticker but that is only because he is a mate and you help mates out, but its yellow on a white rig so it doesn't standout

Maybe I just had a bad experience with sponsorship in the past but it doesn't allways turn out to be as good as you think it will.

If you run stickers to get a better price on parts and or work, How long do you run their stickers for? 1 year? 2 years? Or how do you say when your rig and you have given them their (say) 5grands worth of work/parts back in publicity and coverage. How much coverage would that company get if they paid a mag that same 5g?

ZOOK60 wrote:Phil Curry Hmmmmmmm Do yo have a rello in sth western sydney named Garry Curry?

nope mate.. whys that?

the whole debate is shit...

Red_Zook wrote:

ZOOK60 wrote:Phil Curry Hmmmmmmm Do yo have a rello in sth western sydney named Garry Curry?

nope mate.. whys that?

the whole debate is shit...

No, it's not. It's simply you wanting people to help you out by discounting &/or giving away product to a VERY unknown driver/team with NO COMP EXPIRENCE.

For the record, Gut's Hilux stays sticker free coz no one likes him His car is however one of the finest examples in the country. (don't tell him i said that though)

i have acepted the fact that im not going to be getting miricals..
a helping hand is worth more than a hand out.
anyways im going to work on my rig.

This is bull***t. This thread started out on where to buy cheap suspension that is out of reach to most of us, then turned to buy local or you wont get the help you may need on comp day, then too I need help to get to a comp then told to Fu** off because you have a low budget truck but if you come spend thousands with me I will give you hope of a sponsorship. You might get a free sticker Red Zook. Chin up chief.

So every product you sell is Australian ""supporting the local economy""

You are nothing but a bunch of F***ing bullies and brown noses.

LudaCris

Hey luda........ you want to sponsor me? Give me a good price and ill put a sticker on my car




On a serious note, do you still sell shocks and shit? im after some procomps


EDIT: i dont even make shitloads of spelling and grammatical errors. (sorry red)