Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:26 pm**

I tow a 3000-3500 (depends on day) trailer daily behing a TD 79 series cruiser and it loves it.. but it is obviously out of the price range?

how about a 75 ute.. for 15 you should be able to get a good one, do exhaust and play with fuel pump.. and there you go...

Posted: **Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:03 pm**

Evil 73 wrote:You can get a small tilt tray or beaver tail for the money you want to spend, screw the trailer idea, if you want to do long k's buy a truck and don't piss around with poor fuel consumption and potential overloading of the vehicle in which you plan to tow the monstrosity with.

Have you heard of rolling resistance, the more wheels and weight on the ground the more energy is needed to propel the vehicle, plus you have wear and tear on another 4+ tyres and breaks and wheel bearings etc.

With a vehicle of the f100's weight a truck is your only option, also looking at you pics of the yellow thing you also have width to consider, you won't even fit that on a conventional car tandem without changing wheels all the time, that sux.

I have this same problem of width with my vehicle the trailer i use is alsmost 2.5m wide just on the legal limit for australian roads and you have to drive over the gaurds, but my advantage here is my truck only weighs 1800 kg max

Ben

I agree with the truck suggestion - its the safe and professional way to do it. If you cant find a beaver tail, there are PLENTY of good flat bed trucks in this price range which can be easily converted to beaver tail. Sell the car trailer.

2nd option is using a truck as a tow vehicle for your car trailer - longer wheelbase and extra weight of the prime mover is far safer for towing these sorts of loads than any 4WD ever will be.

Posted: **Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:35 pm**

Mark2 wrote:
Evil 73 wrote:You can get a small tilt tray or beaver tail for the money you want to spend, screw the trailer idea, if you want to do long k's buy a truck and don't piss around with poor fuel consumption and potential overloading of the vehicle in which you plan to tow the monstrosity with.

Have you heard of rolling resistance, the more wheels and weight on the ground the more energy is needed to propel the vehicle, plus you have wear and tear on another 4+ tyres and breaks and wheel bearings etc.

With a vehicle of the f100's weight a truck is your only option, also looking at you pics of the yellow thing you also have width to consider, you won't even fit that on a conventional car tandem without changing wheels all the time, that sux.

I have this same problem of width with my vehicle the trailer i use is alsmost 2.5m wide just on the legal limit for australian roads and you have to drive over the gaurds, but my advantage here is my truck only weighs 1800 kg max

Ben
I agree with the truck suggestion - its the safe and professional way to do it. If you cant find a beaver tail, there are PLENTY of good flat bed trucks in this price range which can be easily converted to beaver tail. Sell the car trailer.

2nd option is using a truck as a tow vehicle for your car trailer - longer wheelbase and extra weight of the prime mover is far safer for towing these sorts of loads than any 4WD ever will be.

A truck has a max width of 2,5m also

I looked into a truck a few years ago and decided against it, with the price of rego, tyres and fuel. The only way i could justify it is if i could make the truck money.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:05 pm**

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/STEYR-PUCH-PINZG ... dZViewItem

i know its out of your suggested price range, but fark it would be fun, id drive it daily

.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:15 pm**

g60boy wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/STEYR-PUCH-PINZG ... dZViewItem
i know its out of your suggested price range, but fark it would be fun, id drive it daily .

an air cooled, 2.5 litre petrol motor rated to pull 5tonne? Now that I would like to see.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2007 11:23 pm**

Just to clear up the Land Rover towing capacity
This is straight out of the owner's manual

Maximum permissible towed weights V8i & Tdi On-road Off-road
Unbraked trailers 750 kg .......................................................... 500 kg
Trailers with overrun brakes 3500 kg ........................................ 1000 kg
4 wheel trailers with coupled brakes * 4000 kg ......................... 1000 kg
NOTE: * Vehicles fitted with ABS have a towed weight limit of 3500 kg.

So any ABS model is limited to 3500kg. Otherwise 4000kg with coupled brakes and two axles.
Which means Td5 models (except some Defenders) are all 3500kg.

Note that the Disco1 (and Rangie Classic?) have a pissweak ball rating of about 125kg. I think the Disco2 has 250kg. Don't know about Defenders ball ratings.

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:17 pm**

I am selling the GQ, so it will be the daily driver. My Wife has knocked back the idea of a big suburban dual cab, although she used to drive the yellow F Truck to work.....

It needs to be a 4 door as a minimum. I will be building a trailer to suit the F Truck, and my Mustang. It will have drive over ramps for the Truck, but the mustang will fit between the arches.
I wouldn't mind finding someone with some scales, so I can weigh it. It isn't going, so I cant take it to a weigh bridge.

A GU Manual is ok for 3200kg, or a 100 series is ok for 3500kg, so they are looking good at the moment. Plus my wife works at Toyota, so parts and service are cheap.

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:48 pm**

I have a 100series and have towed from Brisbane to Sydney a few time now,the trailer with the vehicle on it goes just under 3.5t, some times you dont even realise you are towing.

Coming back from woodpecker last year we had a guy with a Gu (turbo diesel)towing with us as well, from what we worked out the cost of tow were fairly similar, but the 100 went a lot better on hills

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 3:51 pm**

Thats good feedback, was the GU 2.8, 3.0 or 4.2?

The GU 2.8's are a lot cheaper, and are probably what I'm aiming for.

Is your 100 diesel? Turbo?

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:48 pm**

CRUSHU wrote:Thats good feedback, was the GU 2.8, 3.0 or 4.2?

The GU 2.8's are a lot cheaper, and are probably what I'm aiming for.

Is your 100 diesel? Turbo?

the 2.8 is definitely not recommended for towing.. - very underpowered.

Unless modifications are done to improve the torque and turbo response time.

I'd be goin the 4.2 turbo diesel anytime over the other two.

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:12 pm**

Daisy wrote:
CRUSHU wrote:Thats good feedback, was the GU 2.8, 3.0 or 4.2?

The GU 2.8's are a lot cheaper, and are probably what I'm aiming for.

Is your 100 diesel? Turbo?
the 2.8 is definitely not recommended for towing.. - very underpowered.

Unless modifications are done to improve the torque and turbo response time.

I'd be goin the 4.2 turbo diesel anytime over the other two.

I was going to Chip it, and put an exhaust on it, and maybe a bigger cooler or turbo if it helps.
The 4.2 turbo is way over priced, unless I wanted a DX, but the ST 4.2 Turbo's are just as exxy as a Turbo 100 Series, and I would rather that.

The 2.8 has similar power to the aspirated 4.2, and for the 5 times per year that I'm towing, I think it should be adequate.

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 5:20 pm**

Turbo deisel 4.2 i think

Land cruiser 100 series V8 (4.7)

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:31 pm**

CRUSHU wrote:
Daisy wrote:
CRUSHU wrote:Thats good feedback, was the GU 2.8, 3.0 or 4.2?

The GU 2.8's are a lot cheaper, and are probably what I'm aiming for.

Is your 100 diesel? Turbo?
the 2.8 is definitely not recommended for towing.. - very underpowered.

Unless modifications are done to improve the torque and turbo response time.

I'd be goin the 4.2 turbo diesel anytime over the other two.
I was going to Chip it, and put an exhaust on it, and maybe a bigger cooler or turbo if it helps.
The 4.2 turbo is way over priced, unless I wanted a DX, but the ST 4.2 Turbo's are just as exxy as a Turbo 100 Series, and I would rather that.

The 2.8 has similar power to the aspirated 4.2, and for the 5 times per year that I'm towing, I think it should be adequate.

Sounds like you've made up your mind then

Although the 2.8 has enough trouble towing a GU around

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:37 pm**

the 100 is out of the 15k budget thing.. but the best tow vehicle in Turbo Diesel form by far in my opinion.. my old man has just bought one and getting it cut/shut into a extra cab ute currently- the nieghbours have one and it averages 9.6l/ 100k's !!!!

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:51 pm**

Bad_Zook wrote:the 100 is out of the 15k budget thing.. but the best tow vehicle in Turbo Diesel form by far in my opinion.. my old man has just bought one and getting it cut/shut into a extra cab ute currently- the nieghbours have one and it averages 9.6l/ 100k's !!!!

What? a 1HD-FTE getting 9.6l, sorry mate but I call BS, best my old boy gets is 12's. although chipped 79 and was 12.5's before, oh and 285 Xterrains, general driving, 85km/h to work and back

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:57 pm**

I am leaning toward a 100 series, if we can find the right one, but our budget will stretch to $25ish for the right car.

Posted: **Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:04 am**

Stef,

most 2.8's need to slip the clutch to take off on the flat on 35's. 4.5 on gas would be much better.

The 2.8's have 4.6 Gears in them and still struggle.

Posted: **Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:44 am**

cloughy wrote: What? a 1HD-FTE getting 9.6l, sorry mate but I call BS,

A 100 series with 1HD-FTE can do 10 km/l. But you're driving on a flat straight road at about 90km/h to get that.

Posted: **Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:30 am**

KiwiBacon wrote:
cloughy wrote: What? a 1HD-FTE getting 9.6l, sorry mate but I call BS,
A 100 series with 1HD-FTE can do 10 km/l. But you're driving on a flat straight road at about 90km/h to get that.

My point exactly

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:09 pm**

Screw the budget, I bought a 100 series Lexus LX470 Petrol V8!

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:29 pm**

have fun at the petrol bowser

Posted: **Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:49 pm**

Toyota Dyna 4 door truck will last forever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

We have a dyna 200 at work with over 350`000kms on it and it is still
running the OE clutch and it pulls a load every day and never missed a beat.

Posted: **Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:38 pm**

CRUSHU wrote:What can tow 3000kg or more?
80 series upto late 96 2700kg, onwards 3500kg?
GU 3500kg
GQ 2500kg
Current Rodeo 3000kg
Crewman Ute 2500kg
Bronco's 2500kg?
F100/F150 similar?

Looking for something around $15k or less. 4x4 not essential. To tow my F150 (2200kg - 2500kg plus trailer (500kg - 750kg) or my Mustang. Must be able to cruise at 100kph, and be able to be used as a daily driver. Prefer 4 seater.

according to my gregories manuel and the RTA GQ station wagon is rated at 2800kg,

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