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Baleno Motor (With build up pics)

Tech Talk for Suzuki owners.

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Post by BlueSuzy »

Having problems with the starter motor not fitting properly cos the block is in the way.... any ideas?
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Post by nicbeer »

what starter r u using?
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Post by Gutless »

You need the 16v vit starter, not the sierra one.
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Post by BlueSuzy »

im using the sierra starter, ive ground the sierra one down alittle, cos the alloy housing is bigger then the surround if you know wat i mean. I was gonna grind the block abit but i went on here just to make sure wat ppl do :lol: i've searched around now, the sierra one is so close to going in right! The vitara 1 is just more money........ rather make to suit....
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Post by suzimad »

If you want to be tight , get some grease (i used bearing blue), smear it on the block and starter , see where it hits , grind a bit away , you can take some off the block , its a pretty thick oil return gallery .

the 16 valve reduction drive starter is the right way to go though .
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Post by BlueSuzy »

ok, i will grind the block alittle, she'll b right :lol: i just wasnt sure how thick it was = wouldnt be good to have leaks etc
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Post by alien »

"she'll be right" - bad attitude dude...

if theres one thing i've learnt through my varied hobbies and occupations, its this: "if you're going to do it at all, do it properly".

if its a case of "more money" - then wait a while, save that money and do it right. just my 2c.
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Post by tanshi »

sift gti one will also work with no grinding. but a little more pricey
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Post by BlueSuzy »

it is the case of she'll be right, i do know what im doing..... im just on this post to give me other ideas of what people have done!
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Post by BlueSuzy »

Motor and box together ready to go in. Doing the timingbelt and front seals as a just in case measure. Soon to go in! cant wait! :armsup: then exhaust fuel and wiring problems :?
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Post by nicbeer »

depends on how u did the motor mounts, i run the wildcat extractors and they have about 10mm gap near the engine mount. (i have clearanced it a bit also here)
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Post by BlueSuzy »

The vitara extracters just dont bolt on ive heard so i have to go custom, can you tell me where you got you extractors from and how much? I havent modded the passenger mount as i think i dont need to, it measured up same distance as stock with the spacer plate, would this be correct?

Edit: Just looked at your mount, did you move the whole base of it on the chassis?? i mite grind the edge off it now b4 it goes in i think.
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Post by Gwagensteve »

Jimmy extractors are fine. The baleno head is the same as Jimny.

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Post by BlueSuzy »

Jimny? Arnt they 1.3 twin cam? or is there a couple of models? And wat models came out with the 1.6 single cam? Mite get a price of my mates exhaust shop thats all :lol:
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Post by Gwagensteve »

There's two jimny engine series.

Baleno's and jimny's powered by the G13BB motor use the same head casting, the principle difference are water neck placement and block deck height.

Jimny's using the M motor ( the twin cam ones) are different.


You need extractors from a G 13BB Jimny. There are a few suppliers for these. I have fitted (and modified) some very cool mandrel bent ones form brisbane

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Post by BlueSuzy »

I always thought the g13bb motor was twin cam? = different head?
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Post by nicbeer »

mine used BenTs adapter and only moved the drivers mount but mine were $180 and are vitara wildcat extractors. there are also 2 different extractors also, one comes down at the collector further forward then the other one.

think the code was 113 but not 100% sure, can check if needed.
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Post by Gwagensteve »

BlueSuzy wrote:I always thought the g13bb motor was twin cam? = different head?
G 13BB is single cam 16 valve.

M 13 is twin cam.

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Post by BlueSuzy »

im scared to buy some, then find out they wont fit thats all, need to make sure its a definate good fit. only moved the drivers mount ( flattened,re-bent, re-drilled for the mount) gonna cut passenger 1 tomorrow abit. My gear/block spacer is 5mm.
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Post by Gwagensteve »

The only twin cam G motor was in the GTi.

I reckon the twin cam was introduced in the M motors to allow VVT to improve emissions.

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Post by BlueSuzy »

Oh ok, yeah probably.....every new car has "vvti" :roll: well im gonna price up the g13bb jimny extractors then. Sometimes get confusing with all these g13a-b-bb single and twincam and ba :? Then g16a-b- the list goes on :lol:
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Post by BlueSuzy »

PROBLEM!!!!!!! I pryed off the bottom harmonic balancer pulley with the timing gear......my pulley has the teeth parts for the crank sensor....i broke 1 tooth on it....... fookin damit :x Now i have to source another 1, going to search some wreakers tomorrow. Jeez i hate myself sumtimes.... :?
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Post by MightyMouse »

BlueSuzy wrote: Jeez i hate myself sumtimes.... :?
If its only sometimes then your still doing well OR things can still get a lot worse :P
( usual disclaimers )

It seemed like a much better idea when I started it than it does now.
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Post by BlueSuzy »

sometimes doesnt mean i love myself either :lol: Well replaced the pulley, now workin out the belt, it has arrows on it and need to line up the markings somehow.
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Post by BlueSuzy »

pulley marks lined up, all together fan on etc.... goin in suzy 2 nite hopefully.....if i can rely on my mates :roll:
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Post by Gutless »

Gwagensteve wrote:Jimmy extractors are fine. The baleno head is the same as Jimny.

Steve.
My Baleno head is the same as 1.6 16v vit??? I had a set of doug thorley xtractors from the states and they bolted straight on. I also had flanges cut to make my turbo manifold and they match 16v vit...
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Post by BlueSuzy »

Engine/gearbox, driveshaft, radiator various sensors in!! Now to source zorst.fuel.water.wiring.....
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Post by BlueSuzy »

Wiring 1 big mess. Have all the engine plugs on. sierra starter plugs and sierra oil sensor. NEED WIRING DIAGRAM PLEASE!!!! Also the accelerator cable has to be changed to a longer one. What has someone else used?
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Post by Gwagensteve »

Gutless wrote:
Gwagensteve wrote:Jimmy extractors are fine. The baleno head is the same as Jimny.

Steve.
My Baleno head is the same as 1.6 16v vit??? I had a set of doug thorley xtractors from the states and they bolted straight on. I also had flanges cut to make my turbo manifold and they match 16v vit...
Hmm - OK, I don't have a 16V vit head here to check with.

I never said baleno and 16V vit wouldn't be the same, only that I am confident jimny and baleno are.

I'm not sure if BluesSuzy's info related to 8V or 16V vitara so I only spoke on what I was (pretty) sure of.

Steve.
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Post by BlueSuzy »

g16a 16v vitara.....jimny g13bb.......What extractors should i get? Its another need to know info :lol:
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