Outer Limits 4x4 Board

This comparison sounds a bit suss to me. I’ve followed this elsewhere as well.

How on earth can you compere a Defender to a Prado.

A stock Defender will leave a Prado for dead off road but it’s certainly not a family 4x4.

The Prado is the choice for family 4x4 and for comfort on road but then again there are quite a few other 4x4s that will fill this roll and for a lot less money.

Your mate’s spreadsheet seems to be VERY floored.

If you want a genuine off roader and a comfortable family on roader then a D2 would be a much wiser choice than either the Defender or the Prado and the D2 will probably cost you a lot less that the other two.

As for reliability, it doesn’t matter what make you have, they all cost you money if you take them of road and the mount of cost is proportionate to how hard you are off road.

As above, bit of a strange comparison.

BTW, I take it your mate is looking at a second hand vehicle.

If he’s looking at a new one then I would most definitely go with a new Defender.

I’ve just had a good look around the latest Defender and they have improved the interior finish and comfort heaps.

Where as the latest Prados look to fragile to take off road especially with all the problems Toyota are having with front diffs.

Cheers

First I have heard of a problem front diff

The Prado front diff problem is well known if it is used in the bush.
A good friend just spent around $2000 getting the flash instrument panel on his Prado repaired by Toyota including having it sent to America to reset the electronic odometer to the correct kilometres.
This work was done by a Toyota delaership. His car has around 100,000 road kilometers on it. After spending at least $400,000 with the dealership over the last 6 years Toyota refused to pay for the repairs.

high n mighty wrote:First I have heard of a problem front diff

Really?

Must be living under a rock mate. Prados have been popping front and rear diffs since they were released.

high n mighty wrote:First I have heard of a problem front diff

Don't you have to rebuild your front diff like the rest of us Prado owners after every time you take yours off road?

Loanrangie wrote:Playdoh and Defender are not even in the same class, playdoh is a chicks shopping trolley and a defender is about the only purpose built serious offroader available ( troopy is another but so agricultural) . I would say if they are the to choices then stick with the prado as they obviously have no taste in vehicles, the only people who bag landy's are those who have never driven one and those that drive a pos jap 4by. The new fender with the ford puma CRD and 6 spd box is a ripper. Only reason i dont have one is that ther are no factory fitted baby seat attachments otherwise i'd own one now.

Bahahahahaha.. Be fair with your comparisons buddy. You get a hard-on over Defenders but hang shit on LC70s for being 'agricultural'? Sorry but which vehicle has the exposed rivets all down it's side? I'm a 70 owner but wouldn't mind a Landrover in the driveway one day - though maybe I'll stick with my 'POS Jap 4by' for now else risk being associated with one-eyed dickheads like yourself.

smurf182 wrote:

Loanrangie wrote:Playdoh and Defender are not even in the same class, playdoh is a chicks shopping trolley and a defender is about the only purpose built serious offroader available ( troopy is another but so agricultural) . I would say if they are the to choices then stick with the prado as they obviously have no taste in vehicles, the only people who bag landy's are those who have never driven one and those that drive a pos jap 4by. The new fender with the ford puma CRD and 6 spd box is a ripper. Only reason i dont have one is that ther are no factory fitted baby seat attachments otherwise i'd own one now.

Bahahahahaha.. Be fair with your comparisons buddy. You get a hard-on over Defenders but hang shit on LC70s for being 'agricultural'? Sorry but which vehicle has the exposed rivets all down it's side? I'm a 70 owner but wouldn't mind a Landrover in the driveway one day - though maybe I'll stick with my 'POS Jap 4by' for now else risk being associated with one-eyed dickheads like yourself.

and the rover bashing has begun, I love how every comparison to some sort of landy ends in this stuff.

the 75 "looks" less agricultural. drive wise, the old coil sprung riveted agricultural truck is more than just a little comfier and overall a nicer drive bar having to have the window down for somewhere to put your elbow.

drivesafe wrote:...
BTW, I take it your mate is looking at a second hand vehicle....

Nope, new only, and the Defender wrote itself out of the equation last week when he test drove it, and found that at about 6 foot tall, there was no way to make it comfortable as even with the seat right back, he was still cramped.

In the Defender's defence, at least they HAD one for him to test drive, the Toyota dealer didn't have one for him to try.

He also had the Pathfinder on the list but it didn't make top two as it was more than 1 litre per hundred kms thirstier.

The other vehicle on the list is a Pajero, but his wife is Peruvian and speaks Spanish, so I think she pretty much put paid to the Paj.

The spreadsheet has engine size, height, weight, width, length, Green rating, litres per hundred kms, approach, departure, ramp over angles, running costs (NRMA), and I forget what else.

Now he's subscribed to a 4wd magazine, and studying up everything he can on the whole 4wding scene and picking my brains (takes about a second to get all it has) about lockers, lift kits, etc etc.

He apparently isn't looking for about 12 months, so goodness only knows what will be on the market by then.

Discovery II.

Would be a good compromise between comfort and being able to keep up with the GQ when the going gets rough.

Yom wrote:Discovery II.

Would be a good compromise between comfort and being able to keep up with the GQ when the going gets rough.

Not sure I want to take him along on any trips with me in the GQ, I've been mountain biking with him. The guy has no fear!!! I hate to think where he'd try to take his vehicle if he drives like he rides.
I don't have his income to repair things that go bang either.

what do you call a landrover thats not leaking oil








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He could take the badges off the Paj........

Just get a GU.

My g/f drives my GQ (lifted and 33's) to work all of the time and loves it. She has no problem stepping out of her sub 1000kg 2 door lancer and into my patrol.
A standard height GU with reasonable rubber will be great for 99% of trips and are not too big for around town.

Jimmy


PS: Also i would not wipe a 4wd off a list just because it uses 1l/100km more. If you do 500km/week you will use 5 extra litres.........under $10 BIG DEAL wait till he starts servicing and buying tyres!!