Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Shame your not in Vic, I may have some 80's series diff's complete front and rear, for around $1500

Hey Cloughy hold that thought, I'm still working on the missus for the extra cash I need mate.....
I thought you might like to see the result of to much right foot, steep incline and loose rocks....

rover_owner wrote:Hey Cloughy hold that thought, I'm still working on the missus for the extra cash I need mate.....
I thought you might like to see the result of to much right foot, steep incline and loose rocks....

On the bright side, you learn much more about diffs, axles and tail shafts when you own a Rover. What tread do you have on your tyres, I think that plays a part. You have done a very good job with that diff by the way.

In the mean time you can put the front diff in the rear if you need to drive it.

4WD Stuff wrote:In the mean time you can put the front diff in the rear if you need to drive it.

Thats a waste of time just drive round on the front wheels ive done that for nearly a month and had no issues

Also i have a pile of 10 spline centers in much the same shape as that and worse also some twisted axles tho no broken ones yet

bought a broken rangie once, opened the centre diff and there was no side gears at all, just pieces the size of a pinion tooth.

lokka wrote:

4WD Stuff wrote:In the mean time you can put the front diff in the rear if you need to drive it.

Thats a waste of time just drive round on the front wheels ive done that for nearly a month and had no issues

Also i have a pile of 10 spline centers in much the same shape as that and worse also some twisted axles tho no broken ones yet

Yep, just drive on the front, get used to the broken centres

I had a pile............2 slabs worth in scrap

You did a good job of that one there, I had one similar to that years ago pre-maxi-drives that is.

Drivelines are the weak point of Land Rovers sadly, pity they couldn't get them right when first designing the Rangie . One of the reasons why I think the Rangies always had smallish tyres on compared to the competition at the time is because of breakage

Trav

Hi again,
I've put another standard diff center in for now so I can get back out there .
The tyres are 32" BFG A/Ts, and I'm still looking in to a possible axle change!!!!
I can understand some guys not liking the idea of fitting non Rover parts to their Rangie or Disco's, I would really like to stick to Rover axles but to be honest, I was really impressed (as were the guys I was out with, with their looked and lifted GQ, GU and Cruiser) with how capable and comfortable the Rangie was almost stock, but pretty disappointed when it busted the diff, and then to read so many story's telling the same tale .
Just how much can you change on a Rover before people say "oh yeah but it's not really a Rover"?
Bigger tyres, different offset/diameter wheels, after-market lifted springs and long travel shocks, after-market body lifts, hacked body work, AFTER MARKET AXLE INTERNALS or after market diff locks????
The reason I was looking into the diff change in the first place is because I was offered a pair of complete, disc to disc, GQ Diffs/axles for the same price as I've just paid for a 10 spline diff center!!! As I said earlier in this thread I'm a fitter and turner, and some friends (whom are sheeties and welders) offered to help with the conversion.
I would love to be able to wave the Rover flag as I really lke the bloody thing (Oh, and did I mention I was a POM too!!!) but, no matter how much you love this brand or that brand there's always room for improvment, and to me 4wd'ing is about enjoying being out with friends and eliminating as many of my Rovers weak points as possible,
Sorry if I've gone off the original thread, and I hope Rangie Motivated has had some luck with his problem.
I've gone enough,
have fun getting dirty,
Laters,
Jim...

My vote is for the Toyota Hilux diff centre swap. You keep as much as possible as Rangie and you keep your diff clearence and change to 4.1 or 4.3 ratios. Not cheap but there is no cheap solution.

I also vote for the 3.9 Litre EFI or bigger.

I would get a 2" lift, 650mm rear shocks instead of 555mm and tie in the rear coils so you can show off your flex. Put Cruiser shocks up front. Make yourself some sliders and other protective stuff so you don't beat up your Rangie.

The more you go off road the more you will enjoy it, the harder tracks you will try, the further you will put the right foot down and the the bigger tyres you will want. Pay the money now, do it right the 1st time and enjoy your Rangie because it is probably the most comfortable off roader with the best stock suspension package. You don't get bump steer. You get great power to the ground because of the supple A frame and close to level pretty long lower control arms.

Shane.

rover_owner wrote:I was offered a pair of complete, disc to disc, GQ Diffs/axles for the same price as I've just paid for a 10 spline diff center!!!
Jim...

What the hell did you pay for a 10 spline centre?

Aquarangie wrote:You did a good job of that one there, I had one similar to that years ago pre-maxi-drives that is.

Drivelines are the weak point of Land Rovers sadly, pity they couldn't get them right when first designing the Rangie . One of the reasons why I think the Rangies always had smallish tyres on compared to the competition at the time is because of breakage

Trav

and in 1970, what was the competion for a range rover?????

what eles had cols all round, discs all round, constant 4wd, etc etc
they didnt have much power, but used it well. they were/are a luxury car

serg

Hey cloughy,
I paid $200 for the diff center , and a friend of mine says he has a spare set of GQ pootrol diffs I can have for around $200!!! That's why I was interested to find out how bad the vibes are when using the rear one, and if a double cardon has been used by anyone who has done the conversion???

rover_owner wrote:Hey cloughy,
I paid $200 for the diff center , and a friend of mine says he has a spare set of GQ pootrol diffs I can have for around $200!!! That's why I was interested to find out how bad the vibes are when using the rear one, and if a double cardon has been used by anyone who has done the conversion???

Buy them diff's

You need to get the flange angle right, between, transfer output and diff yolk, But for $200 what's a few vibes

uninformed wrote:

Aquarangie wrote:You did a good job of that one there, I had one similar to that years ago pre-maxi-drives that is.

Drivelines are the weak point of Land Rovers sadly, pity they couldn't get them right when first designing the Rangie . One of the reasons why I think the Rangies always had smallish tyres on compared to the competition at the time is because of breakage

Trav

and in 1970, what was the competion for a range rover?????

what eles had cols all round, discs all round, constant 4wd, etc etc
they didnt have much power, but used it well. they were/are a luxury car

serg

That's not the point and I do agree with what you have said, but it's a sad fact that stock LR axles ARE CRAP end of story.

For there size, the 3.5 Rover V8 is a great engine as we all know, just pulling along a 2 tonne Rangie it could have been better, but like you said back then most 4WD engines were hopeless anyway

Trav

cloughy wrote:

rover_owner wrote:Hey cloughy,
I paid $200 for the diff center , and a friend of mine says he has a spare set of GQ pootrol diffs I can have for around $200!!! That's why I was interested to find out how bad the vibes are when using the rear one, and if a double cardon has been used by anyone who has done the conversion???

Buy them diff's

You need to get the flange angle right, between, transfer output and diff yolk, But for $200 what's a few vibes

Ah the vibes

BUGGER THAT! nothing worse going on a long trip (2 hours) and cruising on the highway with the arse end of the rangie shaking away. Finally ripped out the GQ rear and put in an 80 series diff.. No vibes now

Seriously don't recommend putting a GQ in rear of a rangie.. unless you plan to drive 99% offroad

Camo

PS Double Cardon won't fix.. I spent 700 bucks getting one made for mine.. if anything it made it worse!

What is it about the GQ rear end that makes it vibe??

Shane

4WD Stuff wrote:What is it about the GQ rear end that makes it vibe??

Shane

The pinion is not offset like the rover one is so you have too much driveline angle causing vibrations.