Outer Limits 4x4 Board

mickbj42 wrote:87 inches will be fine with 37's. It was only too short for the stuff we have been driving, or trying to drive.

Your zook is still going to be a daily driver so you wont be driving the sort of stuff that we normally drive

I think his plans are to try the stuff you do hehehe

Tell us, Redzook, what are your plans????

uphiir wrote:

mickbj42 wrote:87 inches will be fine with 37's. It was only too short for the stuff we have been driving, or trying to drive.

Your zook is still going to be a daily driver so you wont be driving the sort of stuff that we normally drive

I think his plans are to try the stuff you do hehehe

Tell us, Redzook, what are your plans????

Try???? ill drive it

i will be drivin some pretty crazy chit but it wont be ledges it will be crawling through rock sam and hypo know what im talkin bout
and just the stuff like at sugar loaf few little ledges and stuff.

ahhh decisions, decisions

Damo wrote:85-86 inch wheelbase + SPOA + 37s...

Isnt that going to get a little scary on steep hills and drop offs?

I'd be trying to keep it as low as possible if it's gonna be that short.




But then I think about 37s compared to 33s and it's 2" higher. Will it make that much difference u reckon???

Bah, just do it, flip it and make a softtop

just because it is spoa doesnt mean it is high and unstable. In that "how wide and high" mine was one of the lowest zooks and had the biggest tyres.

Mine drove off ledges fine. At woodpecker i drove off the big ledge no problems at all, rod rolled his hilux off and others nearly rolled off it.

redzook wrote:

uphiir wrote:

mickbj42 wrote:87 inches will be fine with 37's. It was only too short for the stuff we have been driving, or trying to drive.

Your zook is still going to be a daily driver so you wont be driving the sort of stuff that we normally drive

I think his plans are to try the stuff you do hehehe

Tell us, Redzook, what are your plans????

Try???? ill drive it

i will be drivin some pretty crazy chit but it wont be ledges it will be crawling through rock sam and hypo know what im talkin bout
and just the stuff like at sugar loaf few little ledges and stuff.

ahhh decisions, decisions

When its done you are more than welcome to come down for a drive.

If you intend to be driving in rock garden type areas the wheelbase doesnt really matter, if anything the short wheelbase is more of an advantage. Wheelbase only really becomes an issue when ledges come into it. If you want to climb big ledges like the soup bowl you will need some long wheelbase, that wont be possible if you intend to keep the full body on your zook and manage to keep its daily driving duties.

redzook wrote:why is every sayin stay suzuki stuff?

I'm not, i'd feel happy for you to get the hilux stuff and give me your widetracks

Do you currently have the (Hilux) diff's? I've got some stockers I'm no longer going to use that's all (I'm only going to put in W/Tracks now, which I'm looking to acquire.....)

Appoligies for cutting in, but give me a call on my mobile (0402083273) or PM me as we might be able to help each other out, especially since your 'local'.

Sorry again, back to this 'debate'

Drewfus wrote:Do you currently have the (Hilux) diff's? I've got some stockers I'm no longer going to use that's all (I'm only going to put in W/Tracks now, which I'm looking to acquire.....)

Appoligies for cutting in, but give me a call on my mobile (0402083273) or PM me as we might be able to help each other out, especially since your 'local'.

Sorry again, back to this 'debate'

ive already got the hilux diffs and my diffs are spoken for

All is cool. Look forward to seeing photo's....

grimbo wrote:Also Hilux gear is certainly not indestructible either don't the Toyota crowd go to profields/longfields for 33" and over when locked and geared?

One of the guys i work with has a soft top zook running 33/11.5/15 JT2s on hilux/bundera axles with lockrights front and rear and stock CVs with 5.29 gears. It has had this set up for almost 2 years and is still running the original stock CVs. This guy will try and drive anywhere myself and Sam drive and usually after a lot of attempts and a lot of wheelspeed he will get there.

If you have a zook on 33s with Zook axles and you are not breaking anything you need to find some harder lines.

Agreed , we limit our traction by tyre pressure when on a trip, keep it ten to eight, reasnoble reliable with a delicate right,
The moment you drop to five psi and add some steerlock, GEt the tools out ,Its a bit disapionting from the the fun factor . You know the car is capable of x obsticle Traction wheelbase gearing , But don't give it its full
reign as 80% chance one of your buddys will be snatching you for the rest of the obsticles, That aint fun
The zook diffs will wear 35s in mud and soft stuff all day, come play on the rock and hear the carnage

RUFF wrote:

grimbo wrote:Also Hilux gear is certainly not indestructible either don't the Toyota crowd go to profields/longfields for 33" and over when locked and geared?

One of the guys i work with has a soft top zook running 33/11.5/15 JT2s on hilux/bundera axles with lockrights front and rear and stock CVs with 5.29 gears. It has had this set up for almost 2 years and is still running the original stock CVs. This guy will try and drive anywhere myself and Sam drive and usually after a lot of attempts and a lot of wheelspeed he will get there.

If you have a zook on 33s with Zook axles and you are not breaking anything you need to find some harder lines.

that's fine but I have 34s with lockers and have had for a couple of years and haven't broken anything either. but our driving in Vic is on mud and low traction surfaces so with have give when driving when compared to driving on rock.

About the Bundy/hilux stuff what is the stregth issue on them as my experience with them is zero but you read about the Birfields on them being weak or is that because of the extra weight of the hilux and then bigger tyres. what size tyre is the borderline of big enough but also small enough not to break birfields?

Just a comparison pic of a new RR c/v on the right and a zook on the left,
Ruff would know is the lux cv about same as the RR.
Larry

Heres a pic of a zook cv that broke with no impact straight ahead position on 35s, it just couldn't handle the gearing you can see only the cracks no ball carnage, it also took the spline of the axle end once the 'star' was cracked .Four cracks arrowed.
Larry

Dozoor wrote:Heres a pic of a zook cv that broke with no impact straight ahead position on 35s, it just couldn't handle the gearing you can see only the cracks no ball carnage, it also took the spline of the axle end once the 'star' was cracked .Four cracks arrowed.
Larry

Hey Dozoor - looking at that pic, i can see some "blue-ing" of the metal around the outside of the cv (one where the crack is)...

I'm just wondering if that indicates that heat (perhaps due to a lack of lubrication - grease) could have been part of the cause for the failure?

Greg the blueing is cost free you get this with a brand new c/v Its actually from the machining at the factory .If you measure the thickness of the bell at this piont where the blueing is you will find only 4mm of material there.
This one was running the ducks guts in cv lube hehe Kotex moly.


Larry.

Dozoor wrote:Greg the blueing is cost free you get this with a brand new c/v Its actually from the machining at the factory

Thanks mate - all is clear to me now.

Bump, any more ideas/progress???

have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Quit your winging boy I've done it now.

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Oh your staying with cart...ahm...leaf springs???

uphiir wrote:

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Oh your staying with cart...ahm...leaf springs???

And apparently with training wheels... ahm... 33's

uphiir wrote:

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Oh your staying with cart...ahm...leaf springs???

i think the springs ride quite well

and i dont need *BLING* coils to cruze the mall

greg wrote:

uphiir wrote:

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Oh your staying with cart...ahm...leaf springs???

And apparently with training wheels... ahm... 33's

so u have no excuse when i drive right past you

redzook wrote:

uphiir wrote:

redzook wrote:have to wait till the $$$ start comin in

but i have decided on 33 MTR's cos no 1 will go an measure 34LTB's

and zuk rear springs will be goin up front

Oh your staying with cart...ahm...leaf springs???

i dont need *BLING* coils to cruze the mall

No but you'll need them to follow me

update:

made up a set of old rear springs even painted em' to go up the front

and droped it off at OVERKILL's shop today
ready for the Toys this week

also have found a set off 33 claws on black rims to suit lux forsale
seriously thinkin bout these

love-mud , droopypete dont use run these how do they peform

i know u dont run that exact size love-mud

good stuff tim! this will be hella cool

It has started Tim can give all the details

redzook wrote:also have found a set off 33 claws on black rims to suit lux forsale

I think you'll find these aren't very tall Redzok - one could even refer to them as being quite short

I think Luv_Mud's running 35 claws on his car - that's be more your deal i reckon

greg wrote:

redzook wrote:also have found a set off 33 claws on black rims to suit lux forsale

I think you'll find these aren't very tall Redzok - one could even refer to them as being quite short

I think Luv_Mud's running 35 claws on his car - that's be more your deal i reckon

I quite like them .. they really suck in the wet on the road, but offroad they are pretty good .. They are not all that tall brand new they are slightly of 34inches tall (I mean very slightly) on 15x8's at 18psi.

They seem to grip pretty well in mud and rock etc ....
I would run them again ..

greg wrote:

redzook wrote:also have found a set off 33 claws on black rims to suit lux forsale

I think you'll find these aren't very tall Redzok - one could even refer to them as being quite short

I think Luv_Mud's running 35 claws on his car - that's be more your deal i reckon

they were a fair bit taller up against the 31" mtrs (the claws were unmounted)