Outer Limits 4x4 Board

andrew e wrote:

nottie wrote:Dry Sumps come at a decent cost.
Unless you know somethn that we dont

have a look at ebay us.

you can set one up for under 1k with the amount of ex stockcar/ nascar etc stuff going around.

And if you look in the speedcar and sprintcar mags, they sell there second hand parts there alot cheaper then new.

evanstaniland wrote:i found out today that the g/box is rooted so am needing a replacement...am leaning towards a C4 due to their strength ...

any ideas...

Evan

Is there anyone making adaptors from the 1uzfe to ZF 6 speed auto they are common and strong

Chad

bad_religion_au wrote:

Micka wrote:
At least the Rover 8s

they will? i remember a huge recovery operation one round of OZROCK trying to get Mal's bushranger recovered because it wouldn't run on the angle it was on (bad, but not undriveable by some motors). one bank was full of oil

If it is the hole he fell into at the end of the course (one when the rotary zuk tryed to launch into the crowd) then there was no way he was driving out of that regardless of the motor ... it was completely on its side .. (past 90deg)

professor wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:i found out today that the g/box is rooted so am needing a replacement...am leaning towards a C4 due to their strength ...

any ideas...

Evan

Is there anyone making adaptors from the 1uzfe to ZF 6 speed auto they are common and strong

Chad

do you know if you can make the ZF autos manual shifting??

Evan

evanstaniland wrote:

professor wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:i found out today that the g/box is rooted so am needing a replacement...am leaning towards a C4 due to their strength ...

any ideas...

Evan

Is there anyone making adaptors from the 1uzfe to ZF 6 speed auto they are common and strong

Chad

do you know if you can make the ZF autos manual shifting??

Evan

The ZF auto's in the new falcons can be manual shifted.
Can't see it being too much of a problem.

Paul

evanstaniland wrote:

professor wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:i found out today that the g/box is rooted so am needing a replacement...am leaning towards a C4 due to their strength ...

any ideas...

Evan

Is there anyone making adaptors from the 1uzfe to ZF 6 speed auto they are common and strong

Chad

do you know if you can make the ZF autos manual shifting??

Evan

Yeah I have a mate that sets them up, trip tronic paddles on the steering wheel,buttons on the dash or normal stick in the middle.they can program firm shifts rpm shifting and a few other neat setups.
we have started the new professor and this is one of the options behind the 1uzfe we are looking at. Mating the auto to a transfer might be the test thought i'm going for the atlas 4 speed i just need to confirm wheather we can adapt the auto to transfer. adapting the motor can be done apparently i'm waiting on a phone call tomorrow to confirm this.

Chad

ok im confused which ZF auto are you talking about, ruff mentioned the rover zf but you mentioned ford?? wtf

im not sure if i want all the electronics...something else that can go wrong/ let me down...

Evan

if i got a g/box that had a LT95 transfer bolted on would my LT230 bolt straight on???

Evan

No All LT95 convertions are different to LT230

I run LT95 To C4 did TT07 and many other comps havnt had trobles at all
( very steap winch hills and no slip)

C4,s ROCK

Eyby

evanstaniland wrote:ok im confused which ZF auto are you talking about, ruff mentioned the rover zf but you mentioned ford?? wtf

im not sure if i want all the electronics...something else that can go wrong/ let me down...

Evan

the ZF is on heaps of different models now. German made gear box.

Eyby wrote:No All LT95 convertions are different to LT230

I run LT95 To C4 did TT07 and many other comps havnt had trobles at all
( very steap winch hills and no slip)

C4,s ROCK

Eyby

I have the same but with Turbo700's, actually have 2 of them that i will be selling if anyones interested send me a PM.

had a chat with a guy today and he was leaning me towards a th400 as you can constantly upgrade to build it tougher...he said they are stronger than the th700 and the c4. i can get an adapter to the lt230 off marks and now hunting for a adapting bellhousing to the 1UZ-FE.
he was aslo saying an accumulator set up for the engine and geabox could help with those rather hairy angles that we get in now and then.

i can get a built th400 (manualshifting) for $1500 without the torque converter. and the marks adapter is close to $1000

with this i dont have any electrics that can fark up.

what do others think??

Evan

evanstaniland wrote:had a chat with a guy today and he was leaning me towards a th400 as you can constantly upgrade to build it tougher...he said they are stronger than the th700 and the c4. i can get an adapter to the lt230 off marks and now hunting for a adapting bellhousing to the 1UZ-FE.
he was aslo saying an accumulator set up for the engine and geabox could help with those rather hairy angles that we get in now and then.

i can get a built th400 (manualshifting) for $1500 without the torque converter. and the marks adapter is close to $1000

with this i dont have any electrics that can fark up.

what do others think??

Evan

i think he's got an obvious Bias. there are C4's holding together behind stupid motors putting down insane numbers on the strip. they are generally considered second behind a powerglide for potential strength.

bad_religion_au wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:had a chat with a guy today and he was leaning me towards a th400 as you can constantly upgrade to build it tougher...he said they are stronger than the th700 and the c4. i can get an adapter to the lt230 off marks and now hunting for a adapting bellhousing to the 1UZ-FE.
he was aslo saying an accumulator set up for the engine and geabox could help with those rather hairy angles that we get in now and then.

i can get a built th400 (manualshifting) for $1500 without the torque converter. and the marks adapter is close to $1000

with this i dont have any electrics that can fark up.

what do others think??

Evan

i think he's got an obvious Bias. there are C4's holding together behind stupid motors putting down insane numbers on the strip. they are generally considered second behind a powerglide for potential strength.

yea that could be a little like that, but the gm boxes have also been put behind some stupid engines!! but the main PLUS is the fact i can buy a transfer adapter kit not a custom one!!

Evan

T400 is good choice, way more potential over the C4, T400 is pretty much the strongest 3 speed auto you will find IMO.

evanstaniland wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:had a chat with a guy today and he was leaning me towards a th400 as you can constantly upgrade to build it tougher...he said they are stronger than the th700 and the c4. i can get an adapter to the lt230 off marks and now hunting for a adapting bellhousing to the 1UZ-FE.
he was aslo saying an accumulator set up for the engine and geabox could help with those rather hairy angles that we get in now and then.

i can get a built th400 (manualshifting) for $1500 without the torque converter. and the marks adapter is close to $1000

with this i dont have any electrics that can fark up.

what do others think??

Evan

i think he's got an obvious Bias. there are C4's holding together behind stupid motors putting down insane numbers on the strip. they are generally considered second behind a powerglide for potential strength.

yea that could be a little like that, but the gm boxes have also been put behind some stupid engines!! but the main PLUS is the fact i can buy a transfer adapter kit not a custom one!!

Evan

i don't doubt you could build a T400 for your use, but best for your use?

usually, when you see T400's in cars, they're in GM cars. most of the off their head drag rotaries i've seen either go powerglide or C4.

what advantage does an off the shelf conversion kit have? i haven't worked with many of either custom or off the shelf, but from my limited experience, the off the shelf ones have had some... issues... when it comes to hole placement (the crossflow kit in my 40 has 2 of the bellhousing bolt holes 1/2 inch off of where they're supposed to go.)

400 is heavy, designed for big blocks and trucks. C4 is lighter and pretty strong built right. My uncle used to race one up in queensland in a lotus cortina with a mechanical injected windsor stroker many years ago, was pulling 9 sec quarters and had no dramas with it. T700 is basically a T350 with overdrive and if built right can handle good power and much better first gearing. all are good, just go with what suits your needs best and wallet.

rotaries are light, and any hipo C4 equipped car will need more regular maintenance, they simply dont have that much clutch pack area.

The T400 is better IMO than a C4, once the cars start getting heavier they will look at T400 or glide, C4 cant hack it for as long in heavy car, they are fine tho if they are built good and you check them everynow and then.

The T400 is a better option, especially if you have to build a box anyway, but I'd think anything would work with the level of reduction used.

bad_religion_au wrote:
i don't doubt you could build a T400 for your use, i mean we're not talking 502 twin turbo big block with drag slicks here.

usually, when you see T400's or 700's in cars, they're in GM cars. most of the off their head drag rotaries i've seen either go powerglide or C4.

what advantage does an off the shelf conversion kit have? i haven't worked with many of either custom or off the shelf, but from my limited experience, the off the shelf ones have had some... issues... when it comes to hole placement (the crossflow kit in my 40 has 2 of the bellhousing bolt holes 1/2 inch off of where they're supposed to go.)

having a custom one made means that if anything goes wrong you have to go back to the person/company who made it...seeing as its custom can be hard to get positive response!! off the shelve is more friendly so to speak!! and yea as you said its not a TT 502..having things just 'bolt' together is alot earier than goin all custom...well atleast in drivetrain..i think

EVan

No experience here, just relaying what I've heard over the years-
GM:
t350- 3 speed light duty,
t700, 4l60e- 4 speed light duty
t400- 3 speed heavy duty
4l80e- 4 speed heavy duty

Ford:
c4- 3 speed light duty (eg came behind 302 v8)
c6, c10- 3 speed heavy duty (eg 351 v8, trucks)
Glide- 2 speed heavy duty

my extra 2c worth have you considered 80 auto? Probably tougher than anything above though they are bulky, bonus is factory bellhousing to lexus.

glide should be under the GM banner there.

and the C10 is the same as a C4, just came behind clevo's, just case variants, C4,5,9,10, all the same essentially. Just minor differences and the C5 used a whacked out valvebody, early ones use 24 spline input later ones C10 etc use 26spline, but they are interchangeable anyway.

slosh wrote:No experience here, just relaying what I've heard over the years-
GM:
t350- 3 speed light duty,
t700, 4l60e- 4 speed light duty
t400- 3 speed heavy duty
4l80e- 4 speed heavy duty

Ford:
c4- 3 speed light duty (eg came behind 302 v8)
c6, c10- 3 speed heavy duty (eg 351 v8, trucks)
Glide- 2 speed heavy duty

my extra 2c worth have you considered 80 auto? Probably tougher than anything above though they are bulky, bonus is factory bellhousing to lexus.

I like your disclaimer

C4 and C10 are much the same, slight internal and housing changes, it was FMX that was fitted to 351's in Aus

Not all 351' got the FMX probably just the realier ones, the later stuff all c10's.

LTD351T wrote:Not all 351' got the FMX probably just the realier ones, the later stuff all c10's.

Weren't they still FMX in XD? only leaves XE?


Can't remember, been years since I've had a Ford

cloughy wrote:

LTD351T wrote:Not all 351' got the FMX probably just the realier ones, the later stuff all c10's.

Weren't they still FMX in XD? only leaves XE?


Can't remember, been years since I've had a Ford

Yeah it was in the Fairylanes anyway, but C10 was better, alot lighter, you could feel the difference when driving it.

6.5 rangie wrote:

cloughy wrote:

LTD351T wrote:Not all 351' got the FMX probably just the realier ones, the later stuff all c10's.

Weren't they still FMX in XD? only leaves XE?


Can't remember, been years since I've had a Ford

Yeah it was in the Fairylanes anyway, but C10 was better, alot lighter, you could feel the difference when driving it.

Not saying to use an FMX

Agree, POS

evanstaniland wrote:had a chat with a guy today and he was leaning me towards a th400 as you can constantly upgrade to build it tougher...he said they are stronger than the th700 and the c4. i can get an adapter to the lt230 off marks and now hunting for a adapting bellhousing to the 1UZ-FE.
he was aslo saying an accumulator set up for the engine and geabox could help with those rather hairy angles that we get in now and then.

i can get a built th400 (manualshifting) for $1500 without the torque converter. and the marks adapter is close to $1000

with this i dont have any electrics that can fark up.

what do others think??

Evan

ive got T400 man.
yeah good gear with the limited use it has had.
but how is the length going to compare to what you have now.
might mean some changes depending on what box you get.

and best part of T400, means i have no ford parts in the truck

The T400 is heavy,long and has a tall first gear. Built will handle 700HP all day long.

The C4 is light,Short and has a low first gear. Built will handle 500HP all day long.

Other than the adapter i think the C4 is the better option. By a long shot.

this information is awesome and GREATLY appreciated, being put into a pretty big car something heavy duty has its advantages. one thing its not going into a dragcar so getting a th400 built for 500hp should be pretty well strong enough for what ill need it for! and for the lack of coin i have it should be a strong setup!! having the bolt on adapter can limit the amount of things that can go wrong and in turn give me a more reliable drivetrain

Evan