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Check when that was engineered. There were a number of cars certed as tractors in the 80s and 90's. You won't get away with it now hte NCOP has been adopted for certing cars.

Also, that cab is from a 1970's commercial vehicle and so had few ADR's to comply with anyway, and it has a crane on the back so it'll be reg'd as such.

GO AND SPEAK TO AN ENGINEER

Steve.

It was reg a couple of years ago....
anyway Im not here to get into a tit for tat with you.... I know what I know and will do what I do....
Not posting here to get your idea on whats right and wrong... just posting cause I thought people might be interested......

SO STOP YELLING................
if all else fails I'll join a hot rod club and get club plates.......

which wont work either

I'll believe it when I see it...

Gheto_Modz wrote:What do you think..

We are interested, but you asked us what we think and we're telling you.

If you don't want to listen, don't ask what we think.

Steve.

grimbo wrote:which wont work either

X2, not unless you' have a pre 1945 TATA.

I've read the hot rod regs. But I know what I know and do what I do.

Steve.

grimbo wrote:as guts said a Tata isn't a tractor.

Where did I say that you stoner

But your write a Tata isn`t a tractor, its just a shit box on wheels.

Guts wrote:

grimbo wrote:as guts said a Tata isn't a tractor.

Where did I say that you stoner

But your write a Tata isn`t a tractor, its just a shit box on wheels.

Just then

common fella's give him a break. leas its not another nissan or toyota build. its something different

I would love to believe it was possible, then it means I could build something like this:

However the engineers I have spoken to (in QLD) told me that it wasn't possible, even though this was a factory/approved option vehicle. AND it's an early 60's vehicle, so not many ADRs.

However - I also have to say I will believe it when I see it...

ISUZUROVER wrote:I would love to believe it was possible, then it means I could build something like this:

It's a Forest-Rover. The vehicle that makes landrover the inventor of the monster truck.

I just noticed the 6 stud wheels, the only other photo I've seen of one wasn't very clear.
Don't Tata own landrover now?

Gheto_Modz wrote:I dissagree.. I have spoken to vic roads... also I know of a guy around the corner who mounted a f100 cab on an old butterbox international chassis and custom built wheels that are about 6ft diamiter and its reg as tractor...
even though it is a truck chassis and light truck cab..
M

problem is i don't think you know what ya talkin bout......but fuck.....ya makin me laugh....oh hang on.....aprils allready gone yeah?.......

oh and vicroads are the worst people to speak to....an engineer is what you want....

KiwiBacon wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:I would love to believe it was possible, then it means I could build something like this:

It's a Forest-Rover. The vehicle that makes landrover the inventor of the monster truck.

I just noticed the 6 stud wheels, the only other photo I've seen of one wasn't very clear.
Don't Tata own landrover now?

Right on both counts. There are only 9 actual vehicles in existence (but 15 axle sets were made). I saw one "in the flesh" in scotland - can email you pics if you want.

ISUZUROVER wrote: Right on both counts. There are only 9 actual vehicles in existence (but 15 axle sets were made). I saw one "in the flesh" in scotland - can email you pics if you want.

Yes please, PM sent.

Thats the problem with half you lot you think its all black and white , when its really yellow.

get youself the middle 5 feet of one of the original hinge thing chassis ,
oh you,ll need the numbers as well ,and two cross members ,
you,ll need a heap of info about the original as well ,

use a nice late model smog effecient motor not to big to be scary , whack the mogs under and bolt the body on .

You,ll need to comply with the hinge things 196whatever bugger all ADR,s engineer will be rapt throwing all those tata late model safety features onto your 60 whatever hingey thing
Assuming rebodies are similer in the lower states.

seriously even if you don,t do it ,its fun to think about .

grimbo wrote:
all 4 wheels spinning tyres without sufficient pressure on them due to the suspension not loading up on some of the wheels. With 3 on the ground and 1 in the air at least 2 of those wheels will have alot of pressure on them giving much better traction as long as you have lockers. I've seen crazy, super flexy rigs stuck in a spot spinning all 4 wheels whilst a less flexy rig walk through picking a wheel up

Now Explian to me all you "know all " suspension gurus ,
how will the tires spin more by not being loaded up by the suspension ?

Common come get some !

Dozoor wrote: Now Explian to me all you "know all " suspension gurus ,
how will the tire spin more by not being loaded up by the suspension ?

Common come get some !

Not being a smart a$$ but I'm also curious, you could read it as if you fit limiting straps it woud improove drivability. Sounds alittle strange to me.

Dozoor wrote:

grimbo wrote:
all 4 wheels spinning tyres without sufficient pressure on them due to the suspension not loading up on some of the wheels. With 3 on the ground and 1 in the air at least 2 of those wheels will have alot of pressure on them giving much better traction as long as you have lockers. I've seen crazy, super flexy rigs stuck in a spot spinning all 4 wheels whilst a less flexy rig walk through picking a wheel up

Now Explian to me all you "know all " suspension gurus ,
how will the tires spin more by not being loaded up by the suspension ?

Common come get some !

I guess that the wheels will just be spinning in the mud and not actually have any friction to get the 4wd moving.

Sort of the same deal with non-locked axles, 1 wheel goes in the air and the motor puts all the power to the wheel that is the easiest to turn, which ends up being the wheel in the air, thus the whole 4wd goes no where as no power is going to the wheels on the ground.

factory 4wds these days won't have that sort of problem because the rear axle is usally a semi-locking axle setup, it's locked when in 4wd mode, unlocked when in 2wd mode.

same problem in the front axle as before though.

Gheto_Modz wrote:if all else fails I'll join a hot rod club and get club plates.......

I wouldn't think they'd let you have club plates they are super picky, the LH1 plates are looked over by the AHRS before plates are given as well by the transport people so you'd have 2 lots of people looking at it.

You'd also need to do a cars that would be of show type looks before the AHRS would even bother looking, I have the AHRS (QLD) build rules but the rego in QLD has changed and you can rego a hot rod as a normal road car.

LH1 rego only lets you goto shows doesn't actually let you drive on the road at anytime you want.

.... well I was told by so many people not to post on here as there are so many people like Joe blow who know f all and love to put in their 2 bobs worth without having done much themselves.... when things arnt bought from ARB and someone wants to try something different or has outside the square question , it just turns into a slanging match.... prob why Bill and others with ideas and knowledge no longer talk on here..........

BTW joe if you think I dont know what Im talking about ring associated towing about the vehicle or as you are in melb go to cranbourne and see it, talk to the guys THEN appolagise FW...

It will be a show vehicle to some extent... well a promotional vehicle for my business... but also a thing for fun on W/e

Dont worry about what people think....

Just tell them what you're going to do and walk the talk......

Oh Im walking daisy.... and talking....
( done in my best Cozmo Kramer voice)..lol

Anyway we will see if it does get on the road....
Even if it doesnt It'll still be fun to trailer out to places and sign it all up and have it drive right up an artic ramp at shows promoting ... as it is mostly intended for...
mark

BTW isuzurover... I looked into the forest rover thing... thats when Vicroads road saftey told me about the tractor reg thing....
The hardest part is the reduction hubs... I looked into tractor Military hubs but it was going to be too messy... I even had a vehicle from Bill (daddylonglegs) that he had ear marked for the same project....
Then I decided to go this way. But still love the look of those old things and would like to do one oneday also..
Mark

nastytroll wrote:

Dozoor wrote: Now Explian to me all you "know all " suspension gurus ,
how will the tire spin more by not being loaded up by the suspension ?

Common come get some !

Not being a smart a$$ but I'm also curious, you could read it as if you fit limiting straps it woud improove drivability. Sounds alittle strange to me.

all I can say is what I said. i have seen some very flexy, very light vehicles just spinning all 4 wheels on an obstacle not going anywhere whilst a less flexy rig crawl through by lifting a wheel. So from that I surmise that the contct pressure on the flexy one is less than the wheel lifter. Yes it is strange but that is what I have seen. Never said that flex is bad or whatever else you want to try and read into it, just seen that

grimbo wrote:

nastytroll wrote:

Dozoor wrote: Now Explian to me all you "know all " suspension gurus ,
how will the tire spin more by not being loaded up by the suspension ?

Common come get some !

Not being a smart a$$ but I'm also curious, you could read it as if you fit limiting straps it woud improove drivability. Sounds alittle strange to me.

all I can say is what I said. i have seen some very flexy, very light vehicles just spinning all 4 wheels on an obstacle not going anywhere whilst a less flexy rig crawl through by lifting a wheel. So from that I surmise that the contct pressure on the flexy one is less than the wheel lifter. Yes it is strange but that is what I have seen. Never said that flex is bad or whatever else you want to try and read into it, just seen that

How about this.... a vehicle weighs 1000kg... with all 4 wheels on the ground and with the weight evenly distribured there's 250kg on each wheel..... if we drive that vehicle onto uneven ground we may end up with 400kg each on 2 of the wheels and 100kg each on the other 2... if we were in a bad traction situation having 1 of the wheels with 100kg on it, lift of the ground the weight it was supporting is transfered to the other wheels giving them more traction, possibly enough to get it out of the stuck position... while this is a simplified version of what happens, the principal is the same....

The forrest rover is wild tho I doubt it's a big flexer...

sounds like the hater club is out .pharkem ghetto give it a try where theres a will theres a way

Gheto_Modz wrote:.... well I was told by so many people not to post on here as there are so many people like Joe blow who know f all and love to put in their 2 bobs worth without having done much themselves.... when things arnt bought from ARB and someone wants to try something different or has outside the square question , it just turns into a slanging match.... prob why Bill and others with ideas and knowledge no longer talk on here..........

If you can prove them wrong, then do it.
But the concerns raised so far seem pretty valid to me.

RED60 wrote:
How about this.... a vehicle weighs 1000kg... with all 4 wheels on the ground and with the weight evenly distribured there's 250kg on each wheel..... if we drive that vehicle onto uneven ground we may end up with 400kg each on 2 of the wheels and 100kg each on the other 2... if we were in a bad traction situation having 1 of the wheels with 100kg on it, lift of the ground the weight it was supporting is transfered to the other wheels giving them more traction, possibly enough to get it out of the stuck position... while this is a simplified version of what happens, the principal is the same....

The forrest rover is wild tho I doubt it's a big flexer...

Red60 I don,t agree with this in your senario you have effectivley removed
25% of your tread edges from the ground reducing the ability gain traction .

Grimbo has related to some instances i feel would be a tire dropping into a hole or agianst an edge that if the vehicle had less flex the wheel would have passed over the obstacle Grimbo ?


Ghetto do you think if you do it you will make the hydraulics or air on the joint active to suspension pressure or manual ?
would be cool , you could lift the wheels manually.
With out the control on the joint it will suffer big time from torque twist.

BRING IT ON!!
Dont listen to all the knockers who are to slack to be inventive
Looking forward to seeing some pics of this thing

Gwagensteve wrote:

grimbo wrote:which wont work either

X2, not unless you' have a pre 1945 TATA.

I've read the hot rod regs. But I know what I know and do what I do.

Steve.

what happend to that vintage rule they had going?? my uncle has a club rego vc dunnydore he uses as a "zero car" for rally meet's, cost's him around $60 a year but can only drive it on registed club runs... max 12 run's a year!!

anyways i cant see why, you cant build it as a tractor then just happen to use that nice looking tata body you have lying around as a cab!!!