Outer Limits 4x4 Board

STIKA wrote:

RUFF wrote:

Rhett wrote:Stue? In the Orange suzi based buggy? Is this the one you refering to ruff?

I may have assumed too much on this. When we were up there someone else said there was a Buggy getting around up there with conditional rego. I only caught a glimps of it once and from memory yes it was orange. I didnt speak to the guy. I assumed it was the guy from Townsville that has successfully registered a buggy based on i beleive a Cheezy tube frame.

It may be a different guy. The one in Townsville is registered as a offroad utility vehicle i beleive.

PS,I could even be wrong on the location. Im not sure if it was Rockhampton or Townsville but Sam from Haultech has had a few discussions with the guy over the phone.

its from rocky

I have never actualy seen this vehicle

but here is the link to the thread

http://www.rockcrawlingqld.com/Rock/e10 ... c.php?18.0

I think the tropical heat has gotten to him, still no reply from November 20 last year. If this was in fact true there would be dozens of guys putting conditional rego on rock crawling buggies and driving them to and from trails etc.
i call bull shit!

There is more to it but, i don't feel i have the right to discuss it

STIKA wrote:There is more to it but, i don't feel i have the right to discuss it

come on now share

Roctoy Designfab wrote:I think the tropical heat has gotten to him, still no reply from November 20 last year. If this was in fact true there would be dozens of guys putting conditional rego on rock crawling buggies and driving them to and from trails etc.
i call bull shit!

Chris as i said Sam O has spoken to the guy and from what i got from him its as legit as it gets.

Ok since i put the recreational vehicle thing i might as well tell you where i got the info.

I remember reading it online on a frazer island FAQ. I have checked every current FAQ and can't find it, maybe its not something available anymore.

Still the current faqs say you need a 4wd with suitable ground clearence.
It might be worth while finding out if a 4wd people mover recreational vehichle can get a conditional registration for state parks

Wooohoo NSW has a Conditional Registration for All Terrrain Vehicles used on stockton Beach (RECG)

There is also a general All Terrain vehicle class MVEH

Register it as a tractor ..... Might need to be a primary producer... had a very quick discussion with an engineer about registering a buggy/truggy would have to limit speed to say 50kph. Ther was some dicussion on here a few years back? There are ways around it..... my 2 c's

RUFF wrote:

Roctoy Designfab wrote:I think the tropical heat has gotten to him, still no reply from November 20 last year. If this was in fact true there would be dozens of guys putting conditional rego on rock crawling buggies and driving them to and from trails etc.
i call bull shit!

Chris as i said Sam O has spoken to the guy and from what i got from him its as legit as it gets.

That's great news isn't it?
I wonder what the costs involved are then, maybe it's getting time to look at building another buggy.

hehehehe, another reason NSW is superior!

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:hehehehe, another reason NSW is superior!

What? We need reasons?

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:hehehehe, another reason NSW is superior!

what? that we can register buggies in QLD??
nice try saussage boy

SIM79 wrote:

Shadow wrote:

SIM79 wrote:

Santos wrote:i'm prettry sure if you have a vehicle registered as a recreational vehicle its aloud to go on frazer island (even if its 2wd)

Does anyone know what max tyre size you can run on a 4x4 thats registered as a recreational 4x4 in QLD?

15mm bigger than standard

getting it registered as a recreational 4x4 (never heard of this) but it aint gonna happen.

QLD transport make some exemptions to vehicles who have a legitamate reason for needing to be on the road, ie, all terrain cranes, backhoes, etc. They are never going to give special dispensation so ythat you can go over and use it on frazer. Never in a million years.

I have seen heaps of Queenland comp trucks running 37s and they have rego. I am sure QLD comp trucks have recreation rego but will have a definate answer tomorrow.

oh well, if it has 37" tyres and rego it must be legal.

Cliffy wrote:Register it as a tractor ..... Might need to be a primary producer... had a very quick discussion with an engineer about registering a buggy/truggy would have to limit speed to say 50kph. Ther was some dicussion on here a few years back? There are ways around it..... my 2 c's

This is essencially what the guy from northern Qld did.


Sam

Have been looking into rego on my buggy for a while. From what ive found out you can rego one on a conditional use the same as say a bobcat or a forklift are regod.
Cost is under $100 and you can drive up to a distance of 20klms on a sealed road. Only need blinkers and brake lights. To do this it will allow for me to drive in a state forest.
Havent gone out to do it yet as been to bloody busy with work as usual.
The same rego a mate used to rego his polares 4 wheeler.
When i get around to do it ill let yas know. Thats if i dont sell it first.

nottie wrote:From what ive found out you can rego one on a conditional use the same as say a bobcat or a forklift are regod.
Cost is under $100 and you can drive up to a distance of 20klms on a sealed road. Only need blinkers and brake lights. To do this it will allow for me to drive in a state forest.

Thats great news.

nottie wrote:Have been looking into rego on my buggy for a while. From what ive found out you can rego one on a conditional use the same as say a bobcat or a forklift are regod.
Cost is under $100 and you can drive up to a distance of 20klms on a sealed road. Only need blinkers and brake lights. To do this it will allow for me to drive in a state forest.
Havent gone out to do it yet as been to bloody busy with work as usual.
The same rego a mate used to rego his polares 4 wheeler.
When i get around to do it ill let yas know. Thats if i dont sell it first.

conditional rego on a piece of machinery used for work is a totally different thing.

Im quite sure you could get conditional rego if you say it is a tractor, or piece of machinery used for work. But you would be fraudulently obtaining the registration, and you would not be using the vehicle in accordance to the conditions of your registration.

I can guarantee you 100% if you Ask apply for conditional registration for the purpose you intend on using it, and give an accurate description of the vehicle, you will never in a million years obtain it.

So whats the point in having conditional registration, if the only way you can obtain it is through a fraudulent statement of use?

All it does is give people(and the authorities) a method of tracking you down so they can let you know your registration has been cancelled.

hey sorry 2 hi-jack but what are some good places 2 look 4 2nd hand crawler/buggy??? im currently lookin 4 1

three words "INDIVUALLY CONSTRUCTED VEHICLE" If a kit car (such as a home made locost ( lotus 7 replica)) can get rego why cant a home made 4x4??

Shadow wrote:

nottie wrote:Have been looking into rego on my buggy for a while. From what ive found out you can rego one on a conditional use the same as say a bobcat or a forklift are regod.
Cost is under $100 and you can drive up to a distance of 20klms on a sealed road. Only need blinkers and brake lights. To do this it will allow for me to drive in a state forest.
Havent gone out to do it yet as been to bloody busy with work as usual.
The same rego a mate used to rego his polares 4 wheeler.
When i get around to do it ill let yas know. Thats if i dont sell it first.

conditional rego on a piece of machinery used for work is a totally different thing.

Im quite sure you could get conditional rego if you say it is a tractor, or piece of machinery used for work. But you would be fraudulently obtaining the registration, and you would not be using the vehicle in accordance to the conditions of your registration.

I can guarantee you 100% if you Ask apply for conditional registration for the purpose you intend on using it, and give an accurate description of the vehicle, you will never in a million years obtain it.

So whats the point in having conditional registration, if the only way you can obtain it is through a fraudulent statement of use?

All it does is give people(and the authorities) a method of tracking you down so they can let you know your registration has been cancelled.

Not pickin a fight but wouldn't this be the same as registering a 4x4 and then modifying it.

Your normal registration is issued on the condition that the vehicle is roadworthy, most 4x4s are no where near roadworthy, therefore do not comply with the conditions of the registration.

No different to what you are saying for the tractor rego.

I think it would be a worthwhile thing for those that live near the bush they are 4x4ing in. I would not recomend it for travelling '00s of kms to go bush.

flyinwall wrote:three words "INDIVUALLY CONSTRUCTED VEHICLE" If a kit car (such as a home made locost ( lotus 7 replica)) can get rego why cant a home made 4x4??

three more words

BIG CAN OF WORMS

OK so it was four

Someone will correct me if this is wrong, but I am sure an individualy constructed vehicle must comply with ALL current ADRs as at the date of first rego

Ok the fraudulent side off it is just crap as i was up front with them when in at the T-D yesterday and aparently the process for such a vehicle isnt as straight forward as i thought it to be.
Because it is individually constructed the type of conditional rego i wanted is not available but i can get it done so that the vehicle can drive across a sealed road. I have toi send in a picture and a few other bits and pieces about tire size and dimentions and such then it will be accessed.
Yes it is listed as farm use as its the only category for it .
My full intention was told to them as to why i wanted rego and they didnt have a problem with it. They are more interested as to what category they can fit it in. Hence so far farm use is the one.
Will update any one as to how i go with it via PMs only now. So send a pm to me if you want info as i get it.

Da Danga wrote:hey sorry 2 hi-jack but what are some good places 2 look 4 2nd hand crawler/buggy??? im currently lookin 4 1

Keep on eye in the forsale section, there will be heeps coming up soon because currently there just isn`t the use for them. Or pm zuk33 I know he is thinking of selling up because of the lack of comps.

80's_delirious wrote:

flyinwall wrote:three words "INDIVUALLY CONSTRUCTED VEHICLE" If a kit car (such as a home made locost ( lotus 7 replica)) can get rego why cant a home made 4x4??

three more words

BIG CAN OF WORMS

OK so it was four

Someone will correct me if this is wrong, but I am sure an individualy constructed vehicle must comply with ALL current ADRs as at the date of first rego

We built an icv and had it rego'd. I am 100% certain you can get a buggy passed. it will cost about $2500 for tests and engineer report. it needs to have a motor less than 5 years old (from memory, ie must meet current emission standard) you will need boosted brakes to pass the breaking test as it needs to meet pedal pressure requirements. the lighting is the hardest part as it needs to be correct. the buggy will need to meet torsion and beaming requirements so would ideally be cad drawn and stress analyzed or use a 4 cylinder as the results only need to be half that of a 6/8 cyl. it will also need mudguards. also I would think full hydro steer would be a problem. I am looking at getting my off road race car i'm building registered as an icv.

Wish it was as easy as nevada - just need working lights!

cheers bru

nottie wrote:Ok the fraudulent side off it is just crap as i was up front with them when in at the T-D yesterday and aparently the process for such a vehicle isnt as straight forward as i thought it to be.
Because it is individually constructed the type of conditional rego i wanted is not available but i can get it done so that the vehicle can drive across a sealed road. I have toi send in a picture and a few other bits and pieces about tire size and dimentions and such then it will be accessed.
Yes it is listed as farm use as its the only category for it .
My full intention was told to them as to why i wanted rego and they didnt have a problem with it. They are more interested as to what category they can fit it in. Hence so far farm use is the one.
Will update any one as to how i go with it via PMs only now. So send a pm to me if you want info as i get it.

so what ftype of farm implement are you going to go for

bru21 wrote:

80's_delirious wrote:

flyinwall wrote:three words "INDIVUALLY CONSTRUCTED VEHICLE" If a kit car (such as a home made locost ( lotus 7 replica)) can get rego why cant a home made 4x4??

three more words

BIG CAN OF WORMS

OK so it was four

Someone will correct me if this is wrong, but I am sure an individualy constructed vehicle must comply with ALL current ADRs as at the date of first rego

We built an icv and had it rego'd. I am 100% certain you can get a buggy passed. it will cost about $2500 for tests and engineer report. ******it needs to have a motor less than 5 years old (from memory, ie must meet current emission standard)******* you will need boosted brakes to pass the breaking test as it needs to meet pedal pressure requirements. the lighting is the hardest part as it needs to be correct. the buggy will need to meet torsion and beaming requirements so would ideally be cad drawn and stress analyzed or use a 4 cylinder as the results only need to be half that of a 6/8 cyl. it will also need mudguards. also I would think full hydro steer would be a problem. I am looking at getting my off road race car i'm building registered as an icv.

Wish it was as easy as nevada - just need working lights!

cheers bru

****or it can be put on straight lpg****

Any new updates on buggy rego?

SIM79 wrote:Any new updates on buggy rego?

bru21 is taking the steps of making an ICV which is the only way you will get such a vehicle registered (in qld at least).

very involved, very expensive.

bru21 has a thread about it.

In regards to ICV's

Now that the hard part is done (making sure it is possible) its easy to achieve.

The average 7 builder goes through this process and most of them do not have the fab skills seen on OL.

Basically the vehicle needs to meet basic standards to allow it to be on the road. The more I think about it the more fair I feel the process is. The design needs considerations as far as other road users go - no sharp edges etc, and typical lighting, braking etc. With all the work a buggy build involves, the additional work to get it on the road amounts to say 20%. The cost amounts in my case to say about 5%.

To put this in perspective I have in the past spent 2-3k more on a motor cycle to have it on road (Buying an exc over a sx, or a WR over a YZ etc)which is about 20% for far less on road use then this will see. (I intend to drive this very often).

I am happy to point those interested in the right direction.

That said - I really don't want to encourage those that don't take the ICV process seriously to go through with it, as it will see this process revoked. No matter how registered a vehicle is driving around with beadlocks on etc will ruin this for all.

cheers bru

I wouldn't mind having a look into what the ICV process would be for NSW! Just a thought, would open up a heap of wheeling options!