Outer Limits 4x4 Board

ADR's 7,12 15, 16, 17, 20 have all been repealed so you dont need to comply with those.

7, 15 &16 have been addressed in some form in ADR42/04.

ADR17 was for heavy vehicle fuel systems not speedometor, ADR18 is for speedometer.

ADR28 is now covered by ADR83.

For brakes most 4WD's are MC or NA vehicle category for which ADR35 is applicable, ADR35 has now been changed so you can use ADR31 as a prior acceptable rule so they might hit you up for this.

ADR37 is now covered by ADR79. A 2007 VE engine will not be certified to ADR37 because ADR79 came into effect in 1 January 2002.

The VIN requirements are now in ADR61, not ADR43.

If you have a look they apply to particular vehicle categories which are defined.

Is it going to have passenger car tyres? If not then you dont have to list ADR23.

For your lights if you look for a Component Registration Number (CRN), it is listed in the lighting catalogues & gives a direct link to the ADR approval of the lamp. I would list these nubers rather than saying they are "ADR approved".

ADR's:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... nline.aspx

ADR applicability Aummary for M category vehicles:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... y_2008.pdf
ADR apliccablity Summary for N category vehicles:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... y_2008.pdf

The ADR's are a set of safety standards not build standards. The ADR's assume that you have the engineering & technical judgement to build a vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers have this, the NCOP adresses this issue for guys like you who want to build their own.

I hope this info helps.

Good work man.

Maybe change your ground clearance figure to minimum (diff) clearance, as that's what the OEM's use and what they will be comparing too.

Wait, explain it to the dumb Mexican, you're going to get this thing legally registered so you can drive it on the road?

I thought Qld had ridiculous lift laws, but a buggy can be legal?

Ben wrote:Wait, explain it to the dumb Mexican, you're going to get this thing legally registered so you can drive it on the road?

I thought Qld had ridiculous lift laws, but a buggy can be legal?

Thats only if you modify a vehicle someone else built, Bru will be the manufacturer so he can built what ever clearances into it he likes.

There is nothing to stop a major manufacturer from building a vehicle with 500mm of clearance, Unimog comes to mind.

mkpatrol wrote:ADR's 7,12 15, 16, 17, 20 have all been repealed so you dont need to comply with those.

7, 15 &16 have been addressed in some form in ADR42/04.

ADR17 was for heavy vehicle fuel systems not speedometor, ADR18 is for speedometer.

ADR28 is now covered by ADR83.

For brakes most 4WD's are MC or NA vehicle category for which ADR35 is applicable, ADR35 has now been changed so you can use ADR31 as a prior acceptable rule so they might hit you up for this.

ADR37 is now covered by ADR79. A 2007 VE engine will not be certified to ADR37 because ADR79 came into effect in 1 January 2002.

The VIN requirements are now in ADR61, not ADR43.

If you have a look they apply to particular vehicle categories which are defined.

Is it going to have passenger car tyres? If not then you dont have to list ADR23.

For your lights if you look for a Component Registration Number (CRN), it is listed in the lighting catalogues & gives a direct link to the ADR approval of the lamp. I would list these nubers rather than saying they are "ADR approved".

ADR's:

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... nline.aspx

ADR applicability Aummary for M category vehicles:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... y_2008.pdf
ADR apliccablity Summary for N category vehicles:
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/ ... y_2008.pdf

The ADR's are a set of safety standards not build standards. The ADR's assume that you have the engineering & technical judgement to build a vehicle. Vehicle manufacturers have this, the NCOP adresses this issue for guys like you who want to build their own.

I hope this info helps.

Thanks for that mate. I looked for about half an hour to find updates then just ran with what we submitted last year. I have submitted what I have so I might have to re do it. I am aware that the laws are softer for ICV's.

wish I could get hold of my engineer!!!!

thanks nam I didn't think of that

Anytime, if you need any more info I can help (not from a state standpoint though).

cheers mate.


I have booked a meeting with my engineer on wednesday night. He is only doing a few now and has got a new day job. Glad we built one last year as I think It will make him a liitle easier on me.

All my tube arrived today, so getting there.

what about this one built for the Eaton company

http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/featu ... index.html

Thanks for that mate, I will take a print out of it along.

Fark!!!! It's all made of aluminium, frame and all!! Pricey

aluminium is cheap compared to 4130.

spent $900 on 1/3 of the steel for the buggy. As for the engineer its all DOM I swear!

getting all my stuff together now!

thanks guys

bru21 wrote:

Do you have any more pics or links for more info on this 4x4.

yes I do. Its a copy of a ford prototype. here are a few sweet ones:

Thanks, the copy looks better.

here's another one made by Fiat in brazil

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Artic ... beachbuggy

nice one!

Had my first meeting with engineer.

Not a single issue. He will pass it if I address the ADR's.

even the mastercraft seats I have are ok - even though they are not actually adr approved.

Using cnc brake masters / pedals, (bias must be locked off)
lever ratio on shocks at rear, (need to provide photo's of us ones)
climb in through doors / roof all ok.
steering quickner ok
even allowed roof support bars in centre of windscreen area.

will need to speed limit it to below 160kph though as speed rated tyres in 37" are not freely available.

Think I might just be on to something.

I'm pretty damn excited to be honest.

so I say a modified and illegal truck when you can have a sweet buggy on the street without a single compromise!

build 2!

ADR 1 Reversing lights.

One or two fitted at rear, at least 250mm from the ground but not more than 1200mm. If one lamp fitted it must be on the drivers side. The lamps must illuminate when reverse is selected ans ignition switch on. Lamps must be visible from 45 degrees outwards to each side, 15 degrees upward and 5 degrees downward.

I'm sure a mates GU only has a single reversing lamp on the passenger side..

point?

anyway.

sweet link of the copy of the ford concept


http://www.offroadfabnet.com/forums/sho ... php?t=4210

cheers all

Whats ya time frame on the build up?

After the smurf I don't like saying when things will be done! But I had a lot against me then with my ADHD, full time work and full time 3rd year uni!

that said I have aquired all the parts (except fuel cell, drive shafts and rod ends). I have 4 weeks off over christmas so I will be getting a LOT done.

I am also so excited about this project and have been planning it in my head for ages.

So I'll pencil in 8 months, with 12 being realistic.

I think the biggest part will be the welding as I am tigging the whole thing, which will amount to a few hundred hours alone. I am having a 32 amp breaker installed in my shed at home so I can bring the welding work home with me and do a few hours as I get time after work.

We built the entire 7 chassis in a fri arvo and a full saturday, but we had a cutting sched and drawings. My old man cut and I welded, although a few weekends were spent fitting the motor etc.

The other thing too is this a 99% race car and as such will never really be finished.

cheers bru

bru21 wrote:After the smurf I don't like saying when things will be done! But I had a lot against me then with my ADHD, full time work and full time 3rd year uni!

that said I have aquired all the parts (except fuel cell, drive shafts and rod ends). I have 4 weeks off over christmas so I will be getting a LOT done.

I am also so excited about this project and have been planning it in my head for ages.

So I'll pencil in 8 months, with 12 being realistic.

I think the biggest part will be the welding as I am tigging the whole thing, which will amount to a few hundred hours alone. I am having a 32 amp breaker installed in my shed at home so I can bring the welding work home with me and do a few hours as I get time after work.

We built the entire 7 chassis in a fri arvo and a full saturday, but we had a cutting sched and drawings. My old man cut and I welded, although a few weekends were spent fitting the motor etc.

The other thing too is this a 99% race car and as such will never really be finished.

cheers bru

Good luck dude, you really do ya homework!

bru21 wrote:nice one!

Had my first meeting with engineer.

Not a single issue. He will pass it if I address the ADR's.

even the mastercraft seats I have are ok - even though they are not actually adr approved.

Using cnc brake masters / pedals, (bias must be locked off)
lever ratio on shocks at rear, (need to provide photo's of us ones)
climb in through doors / roof all ok.
steering quickner ok
even allowed roof support bars in centre of windscreen area.

will need to speed limit it to below 160kph though as speed rated tyres in 37" are not freely available.

Think I might just be on to something.

I'm pretty damn excited to be honest.

so I say a modified and illegal truck when you can have a sweet buggy on the street without a single compromise!

GREAT WORK!!!

Any chance of PMing me who your engineer is???

I have been wanting to build one of these for years, but have never found an engineer who would sign off on it (they were legal and road registered in the UK):

That is awesome!
Is it a LRover on a tractor chassis or something?

bru21 wrote:so I say a modified and illegal truck when you can have a sweet buggy on the street without a single compromise!

I had no idea you could do shit like this seriously, well done.

Is there some rule that says you can only build one and not a small run to sell? Even just a couple to cover your costs?

lump_a_charcoal wrote:That is awesome!
Is it a LRover on a tractor chassis or something?

No, it's a landrover chassis with planetary hubs and tractor tyres. They were made in a small batch for the department of forestry in the UK in the 1960's by Land Rover. The forestry commisison had a specification for being able to climb over 16" logs or something. I think the Dunsfold Land Rover museum in the UK still has a couple.

As an aside, tractors don't generally have chassis at all- the gearbox casing is a structural member and the cab and guards just bolt to the gearbox.

There were also bolt on track converted rovers (the "cuthbertson" from memory) and turbocharged 9.00X16 tyred sailsbury diffed land rover trucks prototyped too in the 60's.

Land rover tried all sorts of interesting stuff in the 60's which all culminated in the Range Rover, designed in 1967 - Along with the unimog and the Hummer H1, Still one of the most elegant peices of off road vehicle design ever IMHO.

PS Well done Bru21 - I've bench raced your idea to do something similar before but there's a big difference between talking about it doing it.

Steve.

bru21 wrote:will need to speed limit it to below 160kph though as speed rated tyres in 37" are not freely available.

why not put some bfg projects on it?
37x12.50R17/D 124T
T=190kph

Ben wrote:

bru21 wrote:so I say a modified and illegal truck when you can have a sweet buggy on the street without a single compromise!

I had no idea you could do shit like this seriously, well done.

Is there some rule that says you can only build one and not a small run to sell? Even just a couple to cover your costs?

There's a difference between building an ICV and doing production. The beauty of ICV is it allows individuals to build vehicles that although they won't strictly comply with all elements of the ADR's they still meet the intent. Each State's requirements for ICV's vary slightly so you need to find an Engineer in your State (VAS Signatory here in VIC) that is willing to look at ICV's and present your plan to see what is possible. The reality is both the Engineer and the State body need to feel comfortable when they stand in a Coroner's Court that they allowed the vehicle to get on the road based on sound principles. Present a well laid out and well researched plan to your Engineer and you never know what might be possible.

Ben wrote:

bru21 wrote:so I say a modified and illegal truck when you can have a sweet buggy on the street without a single compromise!

I had no idea you could do shit like this seriously, well done.

Is there some rule that says you can only build one and not a small run to sell? Even just a couple to cover your costs?

only that they are ICV - Individually constructed Vehicle

you can produce them. 2 problems though.

you can only build 5 ICV's in any running 12 month period, and secondly an ICV is not a adr compliant car.

ICV needs re approval of the compliance waiver every 5 years,(prove its not modified) and upon sale. I could build it and ICV it under a buyers name. I was talking to a few guys about this. I am the biggest fan of formula racing and would kill to get 10 of the same buggy out racing. I am seriously looking at building them for sale - hence the effort and serious money I have spent on tools and fabrication equipment. I am drawing up every bracket and getting them laser cut, and keeping a cost tally.