Outer Limits 4x4 Board

NutterGQ wrote:

grimbo wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:wheelspacers mean more bearing load. more chance of snapping a wheel off, and of course hurtling your big wonky compensating bucket of shit at the innocent public. Or could go the 35's on 2 or 3 inch and spend the money you save on a Pen-is enlargement.

what and 39 inch rubber doesent load up bearings? or flipped rims dont? we are talking about patrol diffs here and not toyota ones.

if you are happy with your 2" lifted patrol, and it works in the terrain you wheel in like carparks and bogholes, thats all well and good, but there is abviously terrain you arnt that familiar with that requires a 6" lift

Jes

not trying to be a smart arse but what sort of driving requires 6" of lift in preference to 2 or 3" with the same size tyres?

It doesnt most comp patrols run around 3 inches, Jes like with most his posts likes to think his answer is always the right one.

comp patrols are 3" ? WHAT type of comp?
Most patrols are NOT comp cars, which shoudl tell you something right there.

as for the type of driving, teh type of driving that you aim yoru vehicle up a road that you woudl not think of driving up with a vehicle with less than a 6" lift would go, and then preceed to bash the shit out of the undercarriage, smash the sil panels and stil get to the top.

your vehicle with a 2" spring lift wioudl not get over the first ledge.


your continuing with personal attacks. This usually happens when people think their own oppinion is the best and will resort to be-littling others with comments like " compensateing" to make themselves feel better.

My posts are just real world educated opinions i dont take it personally

JEs

bogged wrote:

CHUUBZ wrote:

KIWI wrote:How high can you LEGALLY go?

I think its like 2" or something... I'm not sure but legalities doesn't bother me.

I probably know the answer to this, but does it bother you that it causes issues for many other 4wders? The more illegal buckets of shit on the road, means cops look at everyone harder like one club recently that had to trailer some modded trucks back from Mansfield as they were all deemed unroadworthy (as it was told to me)... then they had to go clear defects etc.

Calling RN, customer waiting....

I really think your overaxagerating mate...

I can confidentlly say that I would be within the top 3 victorians on this site that have copped the most defects and I'm not bragging about that or anyting just saying that I know what a pain in the ass (if you dont know the right people) it is to get things back on the road...

I really do not believe that Melbourne cops care too much about 4x4's. I drove my shorty around for 6 months with 1/2 exhaust, 35's on reveresed rims, 5" lift and never ever ever got pulled up, looked at or anything by the cops. With one of my old drift cars I got pulled up on average atleast every 3rd time I took it out.

Its possible that maybe in the country the police crack down hard on 4x4's because its what most people drive around there but in Melbourne or atleast where I'm from cops couldnt' give 2 shits so to be honest with you as arogant as it sounds its my rig, my license, my ass so no it doesn't bother me that I may be affecting other 4x4's cause i strongly dont believe that, thats the case.

grimbo wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:wheelspacers mean more bearing load. more chance of snapping a wheel off, and of course hurtling your big wonky compensating bucket of shit at the innocent public. Or could go the 35's on 2 or 3 inch and spend the money you save on a Pen-is enlargement.

what and 39 inch rubber doesent load up bearings? or flipped rims dont? we are talking about patrol diffs here and not toyota ones.

if you are happy with your 2" lifted patrol, and it works in the terrain you wheel in like carparks and bogholes, thats all well and good, but there is abviously terrain you arnt that familiar with that requires a 6" lift

Jes

not trying to be a smart arse but what sort of driving requires 6" of lift in preference to 2 or 3" with the same size tyres?

the sort of of driving that would have a 2" lifted vehicle hung up on its belly .

JEs

comp rigs run larger rubber which is not exactly road legal, or suitable to use on a road driven truck.

larger rubber means less suspension lift. if i ran 39's on the road i could get away with a 3" lift aswell

its sad that i have to point this out though...

JEs

jessie928 wrote:

grimbo wrote:

jessie928 wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:

NutterGQ wrote:wheelspacers mean more bearing load. more chance of snapping a wheel off, and of course hurtling your big wonky compensating bucket of shit at the innocent public. Or could go the 35's on 2 or 3 inch and spend the money you save on a Pen-is enlargement.

what and 39 inch rubber doesent load up bearings? or flipped rims dont? we are talking about patrol diffs here and not toyota ones.

if you are happy with your 2" lifted patrol, and it works in the terrain you wheel in like carparks and bogholes, thats all well and good, but there is abviously terrain you arnt that familiar with that requires a 6" lift

Jes

not trying to be a smart arse but what sort of driving requires 6" of lift in preference to 2 or 3" with the same size tyres?

the sort of of driving that would have a 2" lifted vehicle hung up on its belly .

JEs

I'm guessing you are referring to rock crawling. Just in experience in Vic lower vehicles with similar size tyres perform better than very tall vehicles

I dont do rocking crawling 4x4'n.
I mainly just go with mates to bog holes, crossings etc etc.

Ive had 6" lift with 35" and a 5link

Some of you need to get some balls 6" lift is FINE

stool wrote:Ive had 6" lift with 35" and a 5link

Some of you need to get some balls 6" lift is FINE

just not legal, has nothing to do with balls, but hey if you like to think about balls that's fine

I had mine enginerred so what the problem

stool wrote:I had mine enginerred so what the problem

you're not in Victoria that's the problem, different states different rules

hey all
just on the legal issues in vic your allowed 2" of lift ,so either 2inch of spring or 2" of body or 2" bigger tyres than factory
unless of course you get it engineered then its a whole different story
just my 2 cents

have had both a 6" and 37s, now have 4"plus 2" and 35s and am in the process of taking out the body lift as there is no need for it at all. I rate the 4" and 35s, has done everything my old patrol would do and feels a lot more stable and doesnt stand out as much when on road. though mine is a ute so have no issues with scrubbing at the rear and front is fine.

just my opinion, but your ya own man, live and let live i reckon

enjoy

A good friend of mine runs a Gu with 7 inchs of lift and 37 tyres its fucking huge. To be onnest I don't like it. It does however handle bloody well for a truck of such hight. I was very surprised how stabble it felt when he let me take it for a spin. He did spend a lot of cash and nearly all of the suspension is modifyed
The other thing I would be concerned about. You are planning on travelling around australia. Could be very costly and exspensive if you get pulled over in the middle of no where a defected for a 6 inch lift and 35 inch tyres. Even worse if travel funds are running low at the time.

but big lifts are usually reserved for people compensating.

YMMV.[/quote]

Bogged, your entitled to your opinion, but don't lower youself to this level.
Give this fella a positive response or don't bother.

Chuubz, Ive got a 6" lift and no stabilizers and it's not that bad.
Various suspension sellers on this forum with great advise and prices.

Al.

i love mine 6 inch and to do it right height plus width i do not run sway bars on mine truck very happy with the way it handles like standard if you what to run a 6 inch than do not let people talk you out of it have a look around to get the right price. i got some of mine at superior engineering give them a go

i would NOT run a lifted or standard coil sprung truck without stabilizers fitted on the road.

its like chalk and cheese, with stabilisers it would be alot better to drive and a plus is your door handles will not scrape when going around corners.

all you need to do is remove the links on 1 side of the truck before you hit the trails, EASY

when you are airing up, takes 5 mins to put them back on.

Jes

mine is 6inch spring 3inch body and drives fine. Sure a little top heavy but drive accordingly.Do a fair amount of touring and am also about to go around oz. If everything is done properly there is no worries. I say go for it.

having had various lifts over the yrs, which included 6" spring + 3" body lift for most of it.......just a 6inch spring lift is fine.
set it up properly and 6months later you'll forget its there.
they can handle as good as a standard patrol.

one thing to remember is....particularly for a wagon.....don't go soft on the rear springs. the rear will flex very easily with a firm coil, and that helps stabilize the whole rig.....and remember to tie in the coils.

And yes, 6" lift and 35's can be legal....depending on state.
If its engineered and legal........no matter what state your traveling through, they can't (or shouldn't) defect you, because its legal in your state of registration.

bcrheat wrote:mine is 6inch spring 3inch body and drives fine. Sure a little top heavy but drive accordingly.Do a fair amount of touring and am also about to go around oz. If everything is done properly there is no worries. I say go for it.

Ill say it again, how do you drive accordingly in an emergency situation? come on guys no one here is that stupid I'm sure...it will never handle like a stock height car, with each inch it gets that much easier to topple, if you believe what your telling yourself you should take another look.

While i dont have 6 inch springs, i will not comment on the ride or vibrations as i am "uneducated", and all those who have not run 6 inch springs only, should keep their mouths shut too.


However, i have 4 inch springs and 2 inch body equaling 6 inch total, and i have removed my sway bars. I take corners fairly hard, (can occasionally hear the tires screech) and i am not sure that it leans any further than when they were attached. It handles fine without them.


I have not taken my 35's offroad yet, as i only got them the otherday, but i had plenty of room for my 33's after i put the bodylift in. (It scrubed before hand.


Do what you want to do.


And, if big trucks that are illegal are making the cops look harder and make it harder on anyone else, then dont complain.

Either your truck is standard and legal, so forget about it, cause you are safe.

or
you are illegally moded too, so quit your whinging. If you get defected, then it is on your own head, no one elses.

My 2c

dklyne454 wrote:And, if big trucks that are illegal are making the cops look harder and make it harder on anyone else, then dont complain.

that makes sense...

NutterGQ Wrote:


when your on the freeway and you need to swerve to dodge a sheep at 110km/h and your car starts rolling over and over again then what?

Isn't that why god invented the bull bar ?

Swervings for chickens!

jessie928 wrote:i would NOT run a lifted or standard coil sprung truck without stabilizers fitted on the road.

its like chalk and cheese, with stabilisers it would be alot better to drive and a plus is your door handles will not scrape when going around corners.

all you need to do is remove the links on 1 side of the truck before you hit the trails, EASY

when you are airing up, takes 5 mins to put them back on.

Jes

You compensate your driving for any loss of stability, I'm on my second GQ and both had/have 4" spring lifts and 33"/35" tyres and both had front/rear sway bars removed - without noticing any loss in stability!

Both trucks passed the 6 monthly warrant of fitness that we have here in NZ too.

bogged wrote:

dklyne454 wrote:And, if big trucks that are illegal are making the cops look harder and make it harder on anyone else, then dont complain.

that makes sense...

x boggedytboo

What ?

twodiffs wrote:[You compensate your driving for any loss of stability, I'm on my second GQ and both had/have 4" spring lifts and 33"/35" tyres and both had front/rear sway bars removed - without noticing any loss in stability!.

Mine handled like a boat with both swaybars removed and the 6inch Rancho kit in it, but you knew your not driving a Ferrari...

... was much better when I went back to the OME 4inch lift, think the setup was a little firmer spring wise.

No one has mentioned the insurance word. Don't think any company would honour a policy if you stacked with an illegal rig.

If you don't think of the legalities....think of the children. Please god think of the children.

twodiffs wrote:

jessie928 wrote:i would NOT run a lifted or standard coil sprung truck without stabilizers fitted on the road.

its like chalk and cheese, with stabilisers it would be alot better to drive and a plus is your door handles will not scrape when going around corners.

all you need to do is remove the links on 1 side of the truck before you hit the trails, EASY

when you are airing up, takes 5 mins to put them back on.

Jes

You compensate your driving for any loss of stability, I'm on my second GQ and both had/have 4" spring lifts and 33"/35" tyres and both had front/rear sway bars removed - without noticing any loss in stability!

Both trucks passed the 6 monthly warrant of fitness that we have here in NZ too.

try compensating when you are going around a bend at 80+ and a cow jumps infront of the truck and you have to change direction twice. ( once to miss the cow and another to dodge a telegraph pole) and you will see the loss of stability without swaybars..

JEs

Meh, this is just silly.

As for the body lift + spring lift... you'll see more stability out of this due to the fact that you're not getting as much suspension roll.

Froon wrote:Meh, this is just silly.

its amazing how often this exact same thread gets done a month.. and the result is ALWAYS the same...

bogged wrote:

Froon wrote:Meh, this is just silly.

its amazing how often this exact same thread gets done a month.. and the result is ALWAYS the same...

Agreed.