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X link hey. That is a different breed to a drop radius arm.

Hulksta wrote:Ive got one of the first 6" pairs made and love them... no way you would ever brake one

They dont break.. give great improvement on flex.. but i bent both mine on my 2nd trip out on them, so i have 3rds arms in it now.. from reading all the positive feedback on bigO arms tho im guessing mine may have just been a dud set maybe? one off or something..

The Big O arms do have a lot less meat then Superiors and built out of a lower grade steel so you shouldn't expect them to be bullet proof. That said there are a lot of people who have appreciated the savings and don't plan to go that hard that they will bend them.

That said I wouldn't have replaced them with 3rd's arms. I am sure they are plenty strong enough but they flog out the chassis over time because of the design.

yea i kno what you mean.. but they just bent easier than i thought they would have.. not a bad thing tho as u say for the price they are a great arm.. and the 3rds i got cheap so i couldnt complain hehe

4WD Stuff wrote:Hi Guys

We have some rubber bushes that flex really well. $170 for the set of 4 slotted GU bushes that you can use with the GQ. They will make any arm flex really well. The arm itself won't help you flex much more though. It is just some steel.

Shane

A little off topic Shane, but are there any gains to be made using the superior flex arms with your bushes?

In regards to your other comment about warranty, do you mean there is a changeover expense or that its a pain in the a$$ to change them over?

cheers

PAUL

vanbox wrote:

4WD Stuff wrote:Hi Guys

We have some rubber bushes that flex really well. $170 for the set of 4 slotted GU bushes that you can use with the GQ. They will make any arm flex really well. The arm itself won't help you flex much more though. It is just some steel.

Shane

A little off topic Shane, but are there any gains to be made using the superior flex arms with your bushes?

In regards to your other comment about warranty, do you mean there is a changeover expense or that its a pain in the a$$ to change them over?

cheers

PAUL

Sure you could put our bushes into Superiors superflex arms and there are gains to be had when going up hill but on the level and down hill you get max flex with the Super flex arms anyway. I haven't tried this though.

We will press the bushes in and out for free under warranty but it would be a pain for you to pull the arms out.

We sell the Superiors drop radius arms for $1000 with these bushes including freight (Non super flex) and would reduce the price of the Superflex arms if you wanted them fitted with our bushes.

Shane

shane.. drop arms x link different breed? i'm sure you can't run plates with an x link

4WD Stuff wrote:I am sure they are plenty strong enough but they flog out the chassis over time because of the design.

they will find the next weakest point in the line..
those pics around of the ends rippin out the chassis are abit of a worry... then my GQ had awesome front end travel up and down without them... dont know why, once I put bazzles old kit in there it just worked

REV_310 wrote:shane.. drop arms x link different breed? i'm sure you can't run plates with an x link

There's no need to as you can adjust the caster by where you weld the centre pivot point. This is why I don't see the point of putting after market arms in when fitting an X-Link unless your fiting longer arms.

Aftermarket arms really don't give you that much extra flex (not talking about the new Superior arms here) if any, all they really do is solve caster issues. You will probably find that the extra flex people are getting are in the slotted bushes that are getting fitted in the arms not the arms themselves.

Cheers Mick.

ide rather not use my xlink as a bash plate and have my arms hanging down low, also the angle of the arms from the chassis would be major whereas big o's and snake have a curve in them

Mick. wrote:

REV_310 wrote:shane.. drop arms x link different breed? i'm sure you can't run plates with an x link

There's no need to as you can adjust the caster by where you weld the centre pivot point. This is why I don't see the point of putting after market arms in when fitting an X-Link unless your fiting longer arms.

Aftermarket arms really don't give you that much extra flex (not talking about the new Superior arms here) if any, all they really do is solve caster issues. You will probably find that the extra flex people are getting are in the slotted bushes that are getting fitted in the arms not the arms themselves.

Cheers Mick.

I agree 100% with this. It's the bushes and slight gains due to the pin being in straight at the chassis end. The 3rds arms make very little difference unless you have flexy bushes.
The Superflex arms and the X Link addresses this issue and bushes to a lesser extent if you can get them to last for you.

Shane

Shane if I were to get the one 6" flexy with these bushes fitted and 2 extra bushes ( for the other side ) what would this cost me?
Superior had said previously that the one arm would be $600.
Would this have had these bushes fitted?

I would also assume that a flexy and/or bushes would relieve stress on the Big O arms.

Thanks.
Al.

With the 1 Superflex arm that you can get, you usually get the arm with no castor correction (Just and standard type arm with the superflex design) therefore you have to use other means to correct your castor and you would use the drop boxes. So a pair of drop boxes and 1 superflex arm will cost you $1000. If you are still after more flex and want the flexy bushes in both the arms and your existing arms I would throw in the other 2 bushes for free.

As for stresses with the Big O arms. I don't think the bushes would make any difference. You are not going to wreck a Big O arm by flexing. You would only have a problem if you hit something hard.

If you got the Big O arms for $640 pay at least $35 for freight and ad the flexy bushes you are looking at $825 plus the fitting of bushes although I could send bushes down to Big O and he could fit them for you possibly.

Alternatively regular Superior drop radius arms would cost $1000 including freight with the bushes fitted.

I hope this all makes sense.

Shane

Thanks Shane for the info.

Al.

Mick. wrote:

REV_310 wrote:shane.. drop arms x link different breed? i'm sure you can't run plates with an x link

There's no need to as you can adjust the caster by where you weld the centre pivot point. This is why I don't see the point of putting after market arms in when fitting an X-Link unless your fiting longer arms.

Aftermarket arms really don't give you that much extra flex (not talking about the new Superior arms here) if any, all they really do is solve caster issues. You will probably find that the extra flex people are getting are in the slotted bushes that are getting fitted in the arms not the arms themselves.

Cheers Mick.

Castor is not the only thing these dropped arms or drop boxes fix. First of all having a large lift with standard arms means the bushes at the chassis are already being distorted at ride height so there will be less droop available with standard arms. Second the arms are not working at the correct angle (chassis pivot point to housing pivot points) meaning front roll centres are mucked up. Also the more the front axle droops the more the front wheels move backwards or forwards with recession. Castor is only half the battle. In my opinion castor plates are junk (effectivelly what you would be doing when you weld the x-link pivot for castor correction) as it does not correct roll steer.

Could someone throw up a side-on pic of a truck with 4" drop boxes fitted? Prefferably a GQ.

I'm starting to lean towards drop boxes, but i want to see how far they hang down first!

In these pages their is heaps of drop box pics and images, just scroll through.
Some of the pics show good side shots of the boxes.

http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/g ... bum&id=146

Drop boxes are where i'll be spending my money , fark paying almost 3x times as much for drop arms for virtually no extra benefit!!

Yep, i'll have to agree with you there chunks. The 4" ones dont hang down that much, i dont do rock crawling stuff anyway. I can make my sliders help with the box clearance anywa.

Some drop boxes and some of shanes you-beaut bushes will be going on my car. Anything has to be better than my current setup. I probably shouldn't actually be driving my car with the state the front end is in.

chunks wrote:Drop boxes are where i'll be spending my money , fark paying almost 3x times as much for drop arms for virtually no extra benefit!!

What is a set of drop boxes worth?

Anywhere from $300 through to $500 depending on the size/brand.

I sell the Superior Drop boxes for $400 including freight. There can be a huge quality and design difference between brands.

Shane

That certainly doesnt make drop arms 3x the price.

Std arms are pretty weak, I have broken 1 myself, so I am still more than happy with my Big O drop arms.

Dazza

azzad wrote:That certainly doesnt make drop arms 3x the price.

Std arms are pretty weak, I have broken 1 myself, so I am still more than happy with my Big O drop arms.

Dazza

I think chunks was using that as a figure of speach, however......

Have you priced Snake arms?? These ARE actually 3 times the price ($1200 for those that cant add).

As stated earlier though, a set of drop arms with bushes is still going to set you back over $800, which is two sets of drop boxes.

[quote="4WD Stuff"]With the 1 Superflex arm that you can get, you usually get the arm with no castor correction (Just and standard type arm with the superflex design) therefore you have to use other means to correct your castor and you would use the drop boxes. So a pair of drop boxes and 1 superflex arm will cost you $1000. If you are still after more flex and want the flexy bushes in both the arms and your existing arms I would throw in the other 2 bushes for free.

As for stresses with the Big O arms. I don't think the bushes would make any difference. You are not going to wreck a Big O arm by flexing. You would only have a problem if you hit something hard.

If you got the Big O arms for $640 pay at least $35 for freight and ad the flexy bushes you are looking at $825 plus the fitting of bushes although I could send bushes down to Big O and he could fit them for you possibly.

Alternatively regular Superior drop radius arms would cost $1000 including freight with the bushes fitted.

I hope this all makes sense.

Shane[/quote


Superior did do 3", 4-5", 6-7" arms like I thought.
Is this not the case any more?

Thanks.
Al.