Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:43 am**

RMP&O wrote: So out of all the SUV/trucks available in the world is the Dodge/Fords the only ones that still have a solid front axle??

No, the Land Rover Defender is still solid front axle and there are probably more getting around (eg some obscure european trucks?).

That new patrol looks like a cross between a Mazda 3 hatch rear, a Kluger midrift and a smiling cheesy cheshire cat Navara front end IMHO. It's not what we recognise as tough but none of the newer models are. I think it's as ugly as a 200 Cruiser and isn't a functional platform for a tough off roader but that's the way of the future.

Suck it up everyone

EDIT: Woot Woot top of page

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:05 am**

You have got to be shitting me!
What is Nissan thinking!
They have finally followed the trend to kill off the last good production Fourwheel drive out of japan.
What are we going to buy in the future when we need to finally upgrade.
Looks like i will be keeping my GU till it falls apart!

R.I.P Nissan Patrol

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:13 pm**

GUEEY wrote:They have finally followed the trend to kill off the last good production Fourwheel drive out of japan.

what is the biggest market of 4wds? Genuine offroaders, or soccer mums??

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:18 pm**

bogged wrote:
GUEEY wrote:They have finally followed the trend to kill off the last good production Fourwheel drive out of japan.
what is the biggest market of 4wds? Genuine offroaders, or soccer mums??

Well the rubicon sells pretty good over here and it is still a capable off-roader off the showroom floor even if a jeep pos. Oh ya I said that already!

I would be really suprised too if the jeeps went to a IFS in the next 20yrs.

All the Land Rovers in the USA are IFS & IRS, pos freelander and now the RR is the same. They not selling D90s here anymore, never really sold D110s here. We dont get the 70 series cruisers either so no 76 series here. So ya thinking about it in the USA we got Ford/Dodge and Jeep and that is it for SFA trucks. Count rest in the world and it cant be much over a half dozen.

I guess the Benz G-wagon still runs a SFA?

Lot of money to be made in axle conversions in the future I guess!

Posted: **Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:06 pm**

RMP&O wrote:So ya thinking about it in the USA we got Ford/Dodge and Jeep and that is it for SFA trucks. Count rest in the world and it cant be much over a half dozen.

I guess the Benz G-wagon still runs a SFA?

Just did a quick review and found the following SFA 4x4's on the european market:
Mercedes G
Suzuki Jimny
LR Defender (90, 110, 130)
Iveco Massif (based on the SIII LR with the 3.0 HDI Iveco on leaf springs all around)
7 series Landcruiser
Nissan Patrol (as of now)
Jeep JK
Dodge RAM 3500
and that's about it

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:12 am**

Offroad-Events wrote: Just did a quick review and found the following SFA 4x4's on the european market:
Mercedes G
Suzuki Jimny
LR Defender (90, 110, 130)
Iveco Massif (based on the SIII LR with the 3.0 HDI Iveco on leaf springs all around)
7 series Landcruiser
Nissan Patrol (as of now)
Jeep JK
Dodge RAM 3500
and that's about it

and UAZ

And please tell me the new Patrol is still with normal axles - and You all joking

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:21 am**

Looks like i'l be hanging on the the old 4.2GU for a while longer now!!

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 9:27 am**

Looks like a Kluger.

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 11:39 am**

Looks like shit ...

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:38 pm**

RoldIT wrote:Looks like shit ...

Agree

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:17 pm**

drew4130 wrote:
RoldIT wrote:Looks like shit ...
Agree

Agree II

Posted: **Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:35 pm**

coxy321 wrote:Looks like a Kluger.

mixed with a forrester and mitz somethng cant remember

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:14 am**

RoldIT wrote:Looks like shit ...

coxy321 wrote:Looks like a Kluger.

Same thing

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:20 am**

V6 DCI = Renault = Big shit...

Very very hideous, with shit motor... Bad idea Nissan, very bad Idea...

R.I.P Nissan Patrol...

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:34 am**

bogged wrote:
all 3 on one base chassis design - xtrail, pathfinder, and patrol....

The Xtrail is on a different platform to the Pathfinder/Navara.

It is really only a car with a rear diff & a bit of lift whereas the others have a proper chassis, two gearboxes & a live rear axle.

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:51 am**

are those pics definately the "new" Patrol, or is it just a concept release by Nissan to guage market response to a particular style, its still a year before its European release.

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:32 am**

Warden wrote:are those pics definately the "new" Patrol, or is it just a concept release by Nissan to guage market response to a particular style, its still a year before its European release.

It has a Patrol badge on it, and is being shown as the new model in Saudi....

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:06 pm**

What about the agricultural folk? And commercial and government use? Plenty use the patrol as a solid platform, are they going to keep a GU style ute like Toyota has with in 70-75-78 series??

Landcruiser will be the flagship of Australia for good, if this hunk of shit arives.

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 8:00 pm**

Feenz wrote:What about the agricultural folk? And commercial and government use? Plenty use the patrol as a solid platform, are they going to keep a GU style ute like Toyota has with in 70-75-78 series??

I couldn't possibly see them doing it any other way.

Fingers crossed they make the chassis compatible with the current GU live axle setup.

I like my utilitarian GQ. Sh1t, even a GU is too fancy looking for me, let alone one of the new POS patrols.

Posted: **Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:27 pm**

R.I.P Nissan Patrol...

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Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 6:57 am**

Feenz wrote:What about the agricultural folk? And commercial and government use? Plenty use the patrol as a solid platform, are they going to keep a GU style ute like Toyota has with in 70-75-78 series??

Landcruiser will be the flagship of Australia for good, if this hunk of shit arives.

That is why Nssan are promoting D40 & D22 Navara's as they believe these meet the market need.

Jason

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:51 pm**

What about this beauty
Hoppy

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:52 pm**

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:53 pm**

Hmmmm

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:55 pm**

Hoppy11 wrote:What about this beauty
Hoppy

this looks like something out of the original 80's Battle Star Galactica
it'd probably look better if they rolled it

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 5:39 pm**

Warden wrote:
Hoppy11 wrote:What about this beauty
Hoppy

this looks like something out of the original 80's Battle Star Galactica
it'd probably look better if they rolled it

agree...

or a Nissan version of the FJ Cruiser. Which makes zero sense at all!

Posted: **Sun Dec 21, 2008 10:38 pm**

What I learned from a usually well informed german Nissan dealer is that the Y61 (GU) will stay in production for some more time as the workhorse, but will get the V6 eventually to meet emission standards.
They showed some flexibility already when sales dropped with the D40 Navara which was never really accepted as a workhorse over here. They brought back the D22 in April '08 as the NP300 with less luxury and a commonrail 2.5 TD for 10k+$ less than the D40.

Posted: **Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:24 am**

Hoppy11 wrote:What about this beauty
Hoppy

This one looks like a lego car my 6 year son builds

Whilst I'm impressed he can build it, I would expect more from Nissan engineers

Posted: **Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:26 am**

Hoppy11 wrote:OR

And this .. well fark .. the less said the better

Posted: **Tue Dec 23, 2008 4:32 am**

Since the german Army just bought 200 new Y61's we'll have them around for a couple of more years anyways

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