Outer Limits 4x4 Board

if your going to waste time and money doing an xr6t conversion you may as well just save your buck and turbo the old pushrod 6, if i had the money to buy one of the 290's id surely be sticking it inside my gq i recon with some tinkering to change the power delivery they would rock

i think considering how wide the 5.4 boss is you might as well put in a nice big block chev, you would probably have more room & a shitload more torque,
i would keep it simple, computers dont like mud ....

The electronics and mud argument is a load of crap. A distrubuter is going to be a shit load more of a problem than a modern efi motor. I have a high tech electronic everything motor and it never misses a beat even when fully submerged in mud and water. The ecu is mounted at dash hieght so until the water is as window hieght there is no issue at all.

A turboed TB4x and an XR6T are not comparable! Sure you can get a ton of power from a TB4x but it isn't usable power. The whole idea is to get that power to the ground and not just have a huge dyno figure. Why is it that guys are ripping out the TB's and replacing with less powerful motors that have more progressive power delivery? It isn't just power and torque that is important but how it is derlivered. All down the bottom or all up the top is a waste of time. This is where VVT is such a huge advantage. Torque down low and power up high.
That is why I've got 4.5 V8 with VVT electronic everything and running low boost. Smooth controlable power but still a lot of it.

nzdarin.

the problem with the xr6t motors is that you cant get aftermarket engine management to run the dvct.
using the standard ford computers is damn near impossible due to everything going through the computer.

why do you think no-one has put a falcon turbo motor in anything else???

i agree that it would be a great motor to use in many forms of performance vehicles but untill you can get a management program that will run it PROPERLY you might as well be turboing an au motor/tb42/rb30

well maybe the computers do like the water but i would rather know that if something happens i can always get it home coz it would be easier to find the problem with a carby engine thats all, i have a mate with a 5lt efi & he is always having coil pack & air flow sensor problems,,

& at least with the big block you have your power instantly instead of being neally in the bushes before it wants to go, & mine will happyly rev to 6500, & you cant beat the V8 note lol.. just a thought....

Jacked wrote:nzdarin.

the problem with the xr6t motors is that you cant get aftermarket engine management to run the dvct.
using the standard ford computers is damn near impossible due to everything going through the computer.

why do you think no-one has put a falcon turbo motor in anything else???

i agree that it would be a great motor to use in many forms of performance vehicles but untill you can get a management program that will run it PROPERLY you might as well be turboing an au motor/tb42/rb30

hate to tell you this mate but i know of a few early model falcons running around with the XR6T motors in them. if they can do it in them you can do it in anything.
even though this is off topic....
back on topic........................................
have you had any luck with finding a bell housing for the 5.4???

mud_runner_GQ wrote:

Jacked wrote:nzdarin.

the problem with the xr6t motors is that you cant get aftermarket engine management to run the dvct.
using the standard ford computers is damn near impossible due to everything going through the computer.

why do you think no-one has put a falcon turbo motor in anything else???

i agree that it would be a great motor to use in many forms of performance vehicles but untill you can get a management program that will run it PROPERLY you might as well be turboing an au motor/tb42/rb30

hate to tell you this mate but i know of a few early model falcons running around with the XR6T motors in them. if they can do it in them you can do it in anything.
even though this is off topic....
back on topic........................................
have you had any luck with finding a bell housing for the 5.4???

i would think they either dont have the dvct working or the have a complete ba/bf pcm, bcm, cluster, etc
i dont doubt they have them in there. you can make a ford 6 fit anywhere.
the only issue is getting the variable camshafts working. (dont need vct in a high boost high reving application)

Jacked wrote:

mud_runner_GQ wrote:

Jacked wrote:nzdarin.

the problem with the xr6t motors is that you cant get aftermarket engine management to run the dvct.
using the standard ford computers is damn near impossible due to everything going through the computer.

why do you think no-one has put a falcon turbo motor in anything else???

i agree that it would be a great motor to use in many forms of performance vehicles but untill you can get a management program that will run it PROPERLY you might as well be turboing an au motor/tb42/rb30

hate to tell you this mate but i know of a few early model falcons running around with the XR6T motors in them. if they can do it in them you can do it in anything.
even though this is off topic....
back on topic........................................
have you had any luck with finding a bell housing for the 5.4???

i would think they either dont have the dvct working or the have a complete ba/bf pcm, bcm, cluster, etc
i dont doubt they have them in there. you can make a ford 6 fit anywhere.
the only issue is getting the variable camshafts working. (dont need vct in a high boost high reving application)

iirc the wolf 3d can do it .... either way it has been done in older falcons, but never into an entirely new vehicle, and the reason why i say dont bother is that for all the work you have to go to to get the damn thing to run your still only getting a turbo 6 out of it, its got better torque spread but for the trouble an 8 would be so much better

gq351 wrote:well maybe the computers do like the water but i would rather know that if something happens i can always get it home coz it would be easier to find the problem with a carby engine thats all, i have a mate with a 5lt efi & he is always having coil pack & air flow sensor problems,,

& at least with the big block you have your power instantly instead of being neally in the bushes before it wants to go, & mine will happyly rev to 6500, & you cant beat the V8 note lol.. just a thought....

mate mate mate, get out of the dark ages an get with the times ay!

ya know why ya can find the prob with a carby motor so easily when ya stuck on the side of a nasty hill, is because theres no fuel flow into the motor old school junk starving the engine,

so now that we are way off my subject if anyone else wants to talk about thier bitumen burning shopping trolley start a new thread, cheers

mud_runner_GQ wrote:

Jacked wrote:nzdarin.

the problem with the xr6t motors is that you cant get aftermarket engine management to run the dvct.
using the standard ford computers is damn near impossible due to everything going through the computer.

why do you think no-one has put a falcon turbo motor in anything else???

i agree that it would be a great motor to use in many forms of performance vehicles but untill you can get a management program that will run it PROPERLY you might as well be turboing an au motor/tb42/rb30

hate to tell you this mate but i know of a few early model falcons running around with the XR6T motors in them. if they can do it in them you can do it in anything.
even though this is off topic....
back on topic........................................
have you had any luck with finding a bell housing for the 5.4???

nah still waiting on replies ay gonna have to hurry em up i think

Ash,
I say go for the 5.4lt. It may not be the worlds best rocketship. But it will be nice. I am sure there was WA GQ running one at some stage. So they do fit in there.

Guys all l can say is l had one of the quickest BOSS 260 XR8 in this country and for those who think they are a shit engine this is where you are wrong, they have alot of torque down low as long as you have the right diff gears and in low range will shit on any 6.0ltr especially once you bolt on a Kenne Bell charger nothing like 300-400 rwkw in a 4x4....

Cheers Chris..

turps wrote:Ash,
I say go for the 5.4lt. It may not be the worlds best rocketship. But it will be nice. I am sure there was WA GQ running one at some stage. So they do fit in there.

cool cheers mate ya wouldnt happen to know where ya read or heard about it would ya? i wanna track it down ay im in wa too

ORSM4B wrote:Guys all l can say is l had one of the quickest BOSS 260 XR8 in this country and for those who think they are a shit engine this is where you are wrong, they have alot of torque down low as long as you have the right diff gears and in low range will shit on any 6.0ltr especially once you bolt on a Kenne Bell charger nothing like 300-400 rwkw in a 4x4....

Cheers Chris..

hahahhahah with the right diff gears a ride on lawn mower will have more torque then a 100,000,000,000 kw boss motor.

ashbilt wrote:

turps wrote:Ash,
I say go for the 5.4lt. It may not be the worlds best rocketship. But it will be nice. I am sure there was WA GQ running one at some stage. So they do fit in there.

cool cheers mate ya wouldnt happen to know where ya read or heard about it would ya? i wanna track it down ay im in wa too

Sorry cant help. It was ages ago I read it. Cass Jones may know who's it was. I think it may have been setup for off-road racing.

motec do a computer to run vct ,microtec only good for a billycart, the 6hp26 auto has not been used yet due to the megatronic's in the auto which needs can bus to operate and to identify the vehicles vin from other computers in the vehicle, i no in a late model falcons if you remove the radio it will not start..

go for it we had a ba xr8 and love it fit a good set of tune length extractors and some good valve spring and a real oil pump then send it to PGS for a tune and you will have kick ass engine they can be tune with a flash box that can be bought for about $600

holden and ford also use a different rateing to measure power. alot like imperial to metric.
i think its about 5-10 kw different at 300 kw. with holden using the system that reads under and ford that reads above.

In wheel magazine they put the 317 clube and the 315 GT onthe dyno at Maitland and the GT had more power and torque all through the rev range and the HSV power drop of after 2 runs on the dyno
Steve

turps wrote:

ashbilt wrote:

turps wrote:Ash,
I say go for the 5.4lt. It may not be the worlds best rocketship. But it will be nice. I am sure there was WA GQ running one at some stage. So they do fit in there.

cool cheers mate ya wouldnt happen to know where ya read or heard about it would ya? i wanna track it down ay im in wa too

Sorry cant help. It was ages ago I read it. Cass Jones may know who's it was. I think it may have been setup for off-road racing.

to easy cheers mate i'l give him a call.

Ash there has been no patrol with ford V8 raced in WA for the last 6 years, can't speak for earlier than that. Only 5 litres, LS1 & 2 and quad cam nissan V8s (and the six cyls) and of course sootchucker but maybe ask Bretto he may know of it ???

Did this conversion happen.

Cris

Jacked wrote:holden and ford also use a different rateing to measure power. alot like imperial to metric.
i think its about 5-10 kw different at 300 kw. with holden using the system that reads under and ford that reads above.


i would think with the 5.4 you would run into the similar engine management and security problems as with the 6 cylinder. would be easier to do as you have no variable cams to deal with. but still expensive

gen3 is a more powerful motor, its cheaper, easier to install and make more powerfull, aftermarket support is amazing.

go for it.. but good luck, you will need it

did you read what he said?? he said he doesnt care about what makes more power he has a 5.4 and wants it in.. now when you look at taxi's why do they all drive fords? the engines are more reliable..

my dads ss has a gen3 in it.. after 160k its fucking rooted... its lost alot of power every gasket is leaking and its just a general bucket o shit.. my mate that works at holden said its lucky it got to 160 before the sump gasket blew.. and that this is all normal.. he said he has had one car in there over 3 times for new engines.. because they just wouldnt run.. all crate motors btw..

Go the boss motor. Go for a autronic sm4 ecu. do the conversion YOU want to do and just be a ware that if you are pioneering a conversion you will need to fab a lot of little things.
If i can fit a supercharged FORD V6 into a MK2 escort, a boss motor will fit in a patrol easly.
Go for it.

Just something to add to this, You can make a late model ford engine (5.4, xr6t) run on the standard engine management, without having the instrument cluster, ABS, etc etc.
I have done one standalone in a cobra no worries. Just need some re-programing in the PCM.

Also another option is to use a 5r110w 6 speed auto from an f-truck. They were used behind these motors in the US, and have a transfer case behind them (altough front shaft is on the wrong side)
We will be working on an adapter from this auto to a GQ transfer case as soon as we get a box from the US.
Also there is a standalone transmission control module available for this box, so will not have any probs with management.

Steve

hey mate seems to be a common convo, seen one go into a cobra 2, and i would love to do this mod still, but i cheaped out and went a turbo tb either way get to it a boss 290 would rock your jocks

This thread amuses me.. Hope ya get the motor in and running ash! Everyone is too opinionated

Former Mechanic AT Peter Warren Ford in sydney and currently working at a holden dealer, sorry to upset you holdne fans but LS1 and 2 are borh buckets compared to ford engines power is delivered better and all round much better engine... ive never replaced a ford 5.4 but ive lost count on the holden bucks to hope this will settle this problem... for you wankers that say holden is better than ford, b4 you say anything bout been a ford fan, im not im a nissan fan i love the sound of a worked GTR... so please i would say your opinion on what is better isnt needed it comes down to what you want and if its not your taste keep it to yourself and dont post...

Good luck with for motor nice choice hope it works for you..

yeah, whats the go..... Has there been any leadway in to this conversion.
Sound like a great conversion and it's even better being a ford/nissan fan

on4tou wrote:go for it we had a ba xr8 and love it fit a good set of tune length extractors and some good valve spring and a real oil pump then send it to PGS for a tune and you will have kick ass engine they can be tune with a flash box that can be bought for about $600

holden and ford also use a different rateing to measure power. alot like imperial to metric.
i think its about 5-10 kw different at 300 kw. with holden using the system that reads under and ford that reads above.

In wheel magazine they put the 317 clube and the 315 GT onthe dyno at Maitland and the GT had more power and torque all through the rev range and the HSV power drop of after 2 runs on the dyno
Steve[/quote]
Correct - i think i started a thread on that a while back. Very surprising.

Anyway, i just thought i'd put my 2c in about the transmission - i'd try and get the ZF auto in behind the BOSS 5.4. That'd be awesome to drive.

ludacris, youve draged this outta the gutter, i gave up on this thread in feb when all i got was stupid opinions, it can be done!

ashbilt wrote:ludacris, youve draged this outta the gutter, i gave up on this thread in feb when all i got was stupid opinions, it can be done!

I'ts not forgotten Ash.

Finished turboing the TB45, 250 rwhp @ 9psi



Crickey, this project took 8 months!!!!

Got engine and ZF 6 speed, ECU and shifter box in shed.
Engine and gearbox ECU programming sorted.

Looking at engineering our own g/box to transfer case adapter as no one will readilly manufacture one without ripping my arms off or selling my kidneys!

I work away a lot too, so it aint gonna happen overnight, but it will happen.

I am not too concerned about the holden/ford debate, I just have the blower lying around and it will only fit a Boss 260/290 engine.
So may as well try something different.

Cheers