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Talk to Nissan. We blew up our ZD30 work wagon out of warranty and they supplied a brand new engine free of charge, only condition was that we had to pay for the Nissan workshop's labour to remove/replace, which I thought was reasonable.

first thing what year is it.......
has it got extras.....
how much you still owe......
how much did you pay.....
what job do you need it for.....eg towing, camping

sorry for the personal bits but trying to work money in my head , as so i can give my opinion on what to do,
i have done 6 or more zd30 to td42 conversions also rd28 to td42,
there are some things you have to be careful with......depending on the year it can be very costly....

its an 02 model so def out of warranty, as for extras its got new mags with 307/75 r 16 micky t's on it, alloy bull bar, light force xgt spotties, safari chip, 2inch lift wit airbags and 30mm coil spacers, dvd player turbo timer, dual battery and maybe a few other things.

the car isnt actually agianst my loan but i owe 25k+ but payed 24 for it 9 months ago. i ionly use it to get to work and go for a 4by every so often plus go away camping a couple of times a year.

as for talking to nissan, wat would i say. would it matter that i have already pulled the motor out and the head off, and tell ya wat that was an absolute mission!!!

thanks everyone for ur oppinions, given me a lot decent ideas

cheers

you would have to be lucky to get Nissan to come to the party with a 02!
As you can see the general sensible consensus is a TD42T conversion, and i would agree.
I have done 3 and they are not too "long haired" if you have a few clues about diesels.
Engine mounts need swapping around but its no prob. Electrics are easy, in fact you have more cores for the ZD than required for the TD.
Running gear needs no mods for a manual(dunno for autos).

If its not your main run around wagon take your time, its a cool project!

good luck

garth wrote:you would have to be lucky to get Nissan to come to the party with a 02!

Ours was an '01 and they covered the cost of the engine in '07.
Worth a try.

Ours was an '01 and they covered the cost of the engine in '07.
Worth a try.

wat did u say to them, would it matter if the motor is not in the car, having a chip etc???

TOJO2NISSAN wrote:Ours was an '01 and they covered the cost of the engine in '07.
Worth a try.

wat did u say to them, would it matter if the motor is not in the car, having a chip etc???

I would say yes it would... same with anything warranty... Chip, what chip.. you never installed one. but once the motor is out and apart, I'd say your shafted. but get it offically from Nissan Aust.
http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/ theres contact info for Nissan Aust there, not that Val Davis has got the boot

mark from auto safety check in brisbane had 3 motors go on him within 3 months and apart from the original which was an 02 model the rest were brand new.
Nissan came to the party ,these things should have been recalled or at least covered under a lemon law like they have in usa.

dirtyGQ wrote:mark from auto safety check in brisbane had 3 motors go on him within 3 months and apart from the original which was an 02 model the rest were brand new.
Nissan came to the party ,these things should have been recalled or at least covered under a lemon law like they have in usa.

Sounds like a similar story to Deannos a few years back, blew two or three motors before they figured out that there was a problem with the oil feed to the Garrett turbo. A new motor wont help if they did not find out why it went it the first place.

There are lots of these motors with 200/300 thousand ks on them http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showpost ... ostcount=1

The majority of the problems being encountered with the 3ltr Di motors now are due to the electronics (usually the MAF sensor), all you need is an EGT and a Boost gauge installed and you can be confident that any of the new high tech diesel motors won't hole the piston due to failing sensors.

There have also been very few people with blown motors caused by mechanical failure (failure that an EGT and Boost gauge would not pick up) and these were also oil feed problems to the turbo which may have been avoided if a JASO DH-1 oil was used in conjunction with an oil flush every 10,000Km service.

Cheers

well this wil give you an idea on how much to spend or not to spend

2002 model gu 3ltre 100,000 km's 18,900 negotiable

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/pri ... F6F1B35910


cheers,
Jes

have you decided on what you are doin with this truck.??
looking for a donner, only need the rest of the truk no engine.

well theres no point selling it for nothing, will be cutting myself short so i guess ill be hunting round for a new motor

whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:
and these were also oil feed problems to the turbo which may have been avoided if a JASO DH-1 oil was used in conjunction with an oil flush every 10,000Km service.

Cheers

An oil flush!! Every 10K!!

School me on the benefits if you dont mind.

I considered doing one on my cruiser but after 225K and never gettting round to it, buying a ZD30 patrol sounds like a royal pain in the ass.

Cheers
Craig

at one stage i belive that the problem was blamed on oil carboning up on the underside of the pistons due to heat issues , i guess this would try and remedy the problem of the carbonisation with some flush... the engines yeild good mileage as per L/100... and ive never seen one with 5000km service intervals blow up......??? (most of wich are up around the 300-350 K mark now... original engine series one.... everything to do with them is a farking nightmare.... there is no simple repair for any item on a zd30 its all a nightmare... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...

CT wrote:

whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:
and these were also oil feed problems to the turbo which may have been avoided if a JASO DH-1 oil was used in conjunction with an oil flush every 10,000Km service.

Cheers

An oil flush!! Every 10K!!

School me on the benefits if you dont mind.

I considered doing one on my cruiser but after 225K and never gettting round to it, buying a ZD30 patrol sounds like a royal pain in the ass.

Cheers
Craig

Just normal maintenance for any new or old diesel, if you took it into nissan for the scheduled maintenance, they would run an oil flush as well.

To have any motor running at its optimum, you want the innards as clean as possible, the oil flush (put it into the old oil and run it for 5-10 minutes then drain as usual) ensures the galleries and capillaries are all clean and can deliver the oil with minimum oil pressure.

This can be quite important on oil fed turbos like the Garrett that the 3ltr has as a lot of people are not aware that the turbo (any oil fed turbo) needs to be allowed to cool down before you turn the motor off. If you do not, then you could start to bake the oil on the bearings of the turbo.

The oil flush will prolong the life of the turbo bearings compared to not using a flush and shutting down the motor with a hot turbo.

Cheers

IN24BZ wrote:and ive never seen one with 5000km service intervals blow up......??? (most of wich are up around the 300-350 K mark now... original engine series one.... everything to do with them is a farking nightmare.... there is no simple repair for any item on a zd30 its all a nightmare... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...

I am sure that you have your reasons for saying what you have said however I and many others have found the opposite.

I have also had my oil analysed at 10,000k and the results were that I could keep it in for another 10,000ks (which I would not do as the oil change using Delo 400 costs me the same as the test ) - I also have the EGR blocked though.

Others that have their motor standard and tow heavy loads have also had their oil analysed at 5,000ks and they were good to go to 10,000ks - you would definatelly run an oil flush under these conditions as the soot loading although within recomendations is quite high (eg. change the oil without a flush and it is dirty within the first 100ks - not that there is anything wrong with that, just making the point that the motor ain't clean).

With boost and EGT gauges and keeping to the recommended maintenance, I am confident that my motor will not be going out for lunch anytime soon

Cheers

IN24BZ wrote:... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...

x a thrillion..

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't all turbo's oil fed??? Can't say i've ever seen or heard of anything different...

coxy321 wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't all turbo's oil fed??? Can't say i've ever seen or heard of anything different...

AFAIK, you are right, but some also have additional cooling via water - some people refer to them as water cooled turbos but they also have the oil feed to the bearings.

These type of turbos provide extra protection from people that do not idle them down but they will still die, just takes longer. That is not the primary reason that the turbo is water cooled, it is just a bonus.

bogged wrote:

IN24BZ wrote:... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...

x a thrillion..

Surely you are just being empathetic as I doubt that you have ever owned or had one of these motors under your bonnet.

Up in townsville we got GU patrols for around 15k
some 2.8/3.0 and some 4.2 turbo diesel.
Just food for thought...

Its the same in Brisbane. Wagons are a dime a dozen. Go to any dealer auctions and there are HEAPS. But try and find a ST coil cab ute!!!!!

TheBigBoy wrote:Its the same in Brisbane. Wagons are a dime a dozen. Go to any dealer auctions and there are HEAPS. But try and find a ST coil cab ute!!!!!

I'm buying either an ST or DX TD42T for my brother (in Townsville) down here in Vic cause there is 3/5 of bugger all up there to buy.

I was talking to a mate of mine today with the 3 litre, he bought it a couple of years ago and it blew up recently, but it had 252 thousand k's on the clock when it happened, he was saying it wasnt running that great and he fit a boost gauge and said it was boosting up to 20psi, found out it was the air flow sensor was playing up, shortly after replacing it it completely died, he opened the motor up had cracked pistons and cracked head.
He's put 9 thousand k's on the clock after he did a rebuild on it (he's a diesel mechanic for a fleet company), he's fit a new genuine head, new pistons and rings, new turbo and new airflow sensor and he doesnt seem worried about it happening again.
I reckon it'd be fine as long as you fit a boost guage, EGT and service it every 5 thousand.

Forgot to mention, his is a 2001 DX

[quote="bogged"][quote="IN24BZ"]... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...[/quote]x a thrillion..[/quote]Surely you are just being empathetic as I doubt that you have ever owned or had one of these motors under your bonnet.[/quote]

Yes i work for a nissan dealer and i have owned one , series 1 early one and it blew up on me... it happened to have been stolen with a blown up engine............. theifs will take anything nowdays hey really has to make you wonder.........(bog stock btw manual no mods at all but stuck to the 10,000 km service and the egr was left alone also , let go at about 143,000) from that moment on i would never recomend owning one... from that moment every time i drive one that does not belong to me and there is alot out there a hell of alot i am shit scared im going to get the same "missfire" wich you just know is going to be costly.. (most common engine the dealer sees in patrol range now) as for the oil flush that was said about before hand im interested as to what dealers do this as i have worked in two nissan dealers now and have never conducted any sort of flushing on any engine at all... unless flushing consititutes doing about 5 oil changes in a row on a badly neglected engine 30,000-40,000 over its interval.... im not saying nobody does it but im yet to see it

Not that it is really relevant, but i run an oil flushing concentrate through my engine at every service. I figure $30 is a small price to pay for cleaner internals. I'll look at running a CEM treatment through it in the next 6 months too.

take it too nissan and tell them to fix it apparently they replace the motors for nothing on the dodgy 3ltr cant hurt to try

bogged wrote:

IN24BZ wrote:... i wouldnt put another one back in it and im scared every time i have to drive one that its going to blow up...

x a thrillion..

Surely you are just being empathetic as I doubt that you have ever owned or had one of these motors under your bonnet.[/quote]

IN24BZ wrote:Yes i work for a nissan dealer and i have owned one , series 1 early one and it blew up on me... it happened to have been stolen with a blown up engine............. theifs will take anything nowdays hey really has to make you wonder

Sorry to hear that IN24BZ but I wasn't refering to you

I have taken my truck (many years ago now) to two Nissan serv deps and they both ran an oil flush before they changed the oil. I did a few services myself without the flush and came to the conclusion that they were right - for $12 a flush, why not.

Cheers

ahhh thats ok... yeah must not have been reading too well lastnite. but yes indeed you have to watch them theifs. very sneaky now days.. i can see the benifits of flushing ive just never been involved with it being done where ive worked. and since the 3 litre experience i have had every zd related post gets me excited =].. on there plus side they do go ok and yeild good economy just can end in heartbreak pretty easy.. thats why i have a 4.2 now...

I believe your going with the Duramax conversion. how is it going?

yeh i am wanting too but am waiting to hear from heath up the coast who is doing one atm soo am just waiting atm