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Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 3:34 pm**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
RN wrote:
j-top paj wrote:
RN wrote:
Over my 23 yrs of HP duty there are only two cars I have really enjoyed in the fleet:

VL Turbo
did you ever get to drive the cordias?
No, not sure if they were anywhere in our fleet but perhaps interstate.
What about the evos or stis? I know you guys all complained you couldn't fit your big donut-holders in... but they must have driven OK???

Evos...not with our office...more pose somewhere in the company.

WRX..had one about 9 years ago...went like stink, handled like on rails..

then it blew up.

Then we had it fixed...

then it blew up...

then we had it fixed....flogged it and then it went away.

If you see a really clapped out metallic blue one around Elwood fully sick, with the wheels about to hang off...then it is probably that one.

Doof doof doof....

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 3:54 pm**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
turbo gu wrote:
Its funny that the fastest form of motorsport still uses 1 cam and 16 pushrods
You said what now??? I can't even begin to comprehend the levels of wrongness in that statement...

You realise that motorsport is anything that uses a motor/engine. So it includes planes, boats, etc...

Even if you want to narrow it down to WHEELED motorsport (which you didn't) - this beats your wimpy nascar:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThrustSSC
After the record was set, the World Motor Sport Council released the following message:

The World Motor Sport Council homologated the new world land speed records set by the team ThrustSSC of Richard Noble, driver Andy Green, on 15 October 1997 at Black Rock Desert, Nevada (USA). This is the first time in history that a land vehicle has exceeded the speed of sound. The new records are as follows:

* Flying mile 1227.986 km/h (763.035 mph)
* Flying kilometre 1223.657 km/h (760.343 mph)

In setting the record, the sound barrier was broken in both the north and south runs.

Paris, 11 November 1997.

Slightly higher tech than a nascar - and can probably go round corners better

Sorry should of clarifed that as wheel driven motorsport

And yes landspeed cars are AWESOME but I love how basic NASCARs are to go that fast. Carby, mechanical fuel pump and about nearly as heavy as a truck.

And I think you'll find top fuel draging racing is the quickest wheel driven motorsport. Not many things apart from the space shuttle pull more gee's of acceleration than one of those's. 1000 feet in 3.8 sceonds or 1200 feet in about 4.6 seconds from a standstill. at over 500km/m still running 1 camshaft and 16 pushrods

Nothing againest technology about old school is still cool

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 4:08 pm**

turbo gu wrote: Sorry should of clarifed that as wheel driven motorsport

And I think you'll find top fuel draging racing is the quickest wheel driven motorsport.

Sorry, wrong again. Fastest wheel driven motorsport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-driv ... eed_record
Also a turbine

Sure, lots of cubes, low tech and carbs works if you want bulk power for rapid straight line acceleration, but as soon as you need good handling or low weight...

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 4:10 pm**

RN wrote:
Evos...not with our office...more pose somewhere in the company.

WRX..had one about 9 years ago...went like stink, handled like on rails..

then it blew up.

Then we had it fixed...

then it blew up...

then we had it fixed....flogged it and then it went away.

If you see a really clapped out metallic blue one around Elwood fully sick, with the wheels about to hang off...then it is probably that one.

Doof doof doof....

So what broke on the Stis? The gearbox???

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 5:20 pm**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
RN wrote:
Evos...not with our office...more pose somewhere in the company.

WRX..had one about 9 years ago...went like stink, handled like on rails..

then it blew up.

Then we had it fixed...

then it blew up...

then we had it fixed....flogged it and then it went away.

If you see a really clapped out metallic blue one around Elwood fully sick, with the wheels about to hang off...then it is probably that one.

Doof doof doof....
So what broke on the Stis? The gearbox???

It wasn't an STI, it was the 165 kw job...it was the motor. The bottom end as a matter of fact. Subby Japan was very interested in the engine as a few others started to fall apart but not as quickly as ours had failed. ( NFI why

)

Apparently they have a two piece block like a BMW motorcycle engine, and the story is when they honed bored it in the factory and then mated the two haves together they weren't aligned and there created a uneven pressure spot on the crank. When it blew, they replaced the crank, pistons in the original block and it lasted about a week..

It was fixed with a new short engine.

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 5:27 pm**

RN wrote:
It wasn't an STI, it was the 165 kw job...it was the motor. The bottom end as a matter of fact. Subby Japan was very interested in the engine as a few others started to fall apart but not as quickly as ours had failed. ( NFI why )

Apparently they have a two piece block like a BMW motorcycle engine, and the story is when they honed bored it in the factory and then mated the two haves together they weren't aligned and there created a uneven pressure spot on the crank. When it blew, they replaced the crank, pistons in the original block and it lasted about a week..

It was fixed with a new short engine.

Interesting, thanks for that.

The engines are usually strong - the gearboxes are the weak link...

So in your long and distinguished career RN, how many work vehicles have you personally killed (preferably split into mechanical and accident/incident).

And by killed I mean non-sheduled workshop repairs were needed.

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 6:50 pm**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
RN wrote:
It wasn't an STI, it was the 165 kw job...it was the motor. The bottom end as a matter of fact. Subby Japan was very interested in the engine as a few others started to fall apart but not as quickly as ours had failed. ( NFI why )

Apparently they have a two piece block like a BMW motorcycle engine, and the story is when they honed bored it in the factory and then mated the two haves together they weren't aligned and there created a uneven pressure spot on the crank. When it blew, they replaced the crank, pistons in the original block and it lasted about a week..

It was fixed with a new short engine.
Interesting, thanks for that.

The engines are usually strong - the gearboxes are the weak link...

So in your long and distinguished career RN, how many work vehicles have you personally killed (preferably split into mechanical and accident/incident).

And by killed I mean non-sheduled workshop repairs were needed.

Years divided by # of Commodore models? (+ subie)

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 7:31 pm**

Killed as in my fault probably two...backed into a pole in a VL

Falcon van ,,,cracked a radiator chasing a stolen car;

Not that rough with the cars, never burnt out a clutch

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 7:38 pm**

RN wrote:never burnt out a clutch

maybe speaking for NSW cops, but i thought all cop cars needed to be auto so the driver (if 1 up) could operate the radio etc.. and still drive?
and with special training/cert can drive a manual police vehicle

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 7:46 pm**

I asked about the oil as we only usually saw similar failures in the HSV models, Something to do with lacking Zinc content in the engine oil apparently.

Time for a cam and edit RN - Then in a few years when someone buys it they can say it has the "police spec cam and chip" Like every second SS that is for sale has

And yes I know they don't have chips but try telling the people who own late model Commodores with police chips that :drinking:

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 8:00 pm**

LUX90 wrote:I asked about the oil as we only usually saw similar failures in the HSV models, Something to do with lacking Zinc content in the engine oil apparently.

Time for a cam and edit RN - Then in a few years when someone buys it they can say it has the "police spec cam and chip" Like every second SS that is for sale has And yes I know they don't have chips but try telling the people who own late model Commodores with police chips that

Funny you should say cam..as we got the car back today and they fitted a second hand cam as no new ones available....

In days of old...

Fully sick auto Mohammed..."Mate, you've got the chip?"

"Nah, standard."

"Bullshitmate, yous got the chip, my cousin's friend is a mechanic mate, and knows you have da chip."

"Ok, we have the chip"

To his friend..."Told yous...they got the chip."

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 8:04 pm**

RN wrote:
In days of old...

Fully sick auto Mohammed..."Mate, you've got the chip?"

"Nah, standard."

"Bullshitmate, yous got the chip, my cousin's friend is a mechanic mate, and knows you have da chip."

"Ok, we have the chip"

To his friend..."Told yous...they got the chip."

LMAO

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 8:14 pm**

I had a friend who worked on the Police Cooper S mini's back in the day. He said they only averaged 6 thousand miles between engine rebuilds.

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 11:20 pm**

RN wrote:
j-top paj wrote:
RN wrote:never burnt out a clutch

maybe speaking for NSW cops, but i thought all cop cars needed to be auto so the driver (if 1 up) could operate the radio etc.. and still drive?
and with special training/cert can drive a manual police vehicle
.

The V L's were manual, the VK Brock specials too. All HP cars now are autos as they tend to take abuse, and they have the manual sports override function anyway. The WRX was 6 speed manual, and we once had a F 150 V8 manual...even chased a Porsche and caught it.

The XR6T was manual a few years back but auto now.

Posted: **Thu May 21, 2009 11:46 pm**

RN wrote:
RN wrote:
j-top paj wrote:
RN wrote:never burnt out a clutch

maybe speaking for NSW cops, but i thought all cop cars needed to be auto so the driver (if 1 up) could operate the radio etc.. and still drive?
and with special training/cert can drive a manual police vehicle
.
The V L's were manual, the VK Brock specials too. All HP cars now are autos as they tend to take abuse, and they have the manual sports override function anyway. The WRX was 6 speed manual, and we once had a F 150 V8 manual...even chased a Porsche and caught it.

The XR6T was manual a few years back but auto now.

so in Vic can any HP just jump in and drive a manual? or do you need to be trained to drive one?

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 7:25 am**

All HP vehicles are now autos...HP members have to pass an advanced driving course. When I did mine I had to control a team of wild horses

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 7:45 am**

ISUZUROVER wrote:
turbo gu wrote: Sorry should of clarifed that as wheel driven motorsport

And I think you'll find top fuel draging racing is the quickest wheel driven motorsport.
Sorry, wrong again. Fastest wheel driven motorsport:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel-driv ... eed_record
Also a turbine

Sure, lots of cubes, low tech and carbs works if you want bulk power for rapid straight line acceleration, but as soon as you need good handling or low weight...

I didn't think they had run a wheel driven turbine car so I am wrong

But Top Fuel still rocks

Seen you are a wealth of Info are they still the quickest accellerating from wheel driven motorsport.

Nothing wrong with modern stuff but Old school is cool.

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 3:17 pm**

RN wrote:Just for your info...one of our Divisonal Highway Patrol vehicles had an engine fault which was brought to the attention of the Holden Dealer. They advised to keep driving it.

The engine failed and when stripped down it was found that a hydraulic lifter had failed. New crate engine shipped down from the NT??? and installed.

Now one of our HP vehicles developed a knock and our dealer stripped the engine down to find that a hydraulic lifter had failed and stuffed the camshaft.

So, for those that have installed the 6 litre motors just be mindful if it starts to knock.

Apparently Holden are a tad concerned? The Holden Grenade?

Postscript...the first HP car that required a new engine transplant is now running like a dog ...had the systems checked and it could not reveal a fault other than in real life it won't idle, coughs burps and farts...

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 3:28 pm**

RN, for interests sake do the number crunchers up top allow you to run your HP cars on premium fuel?

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 4:49 pm**

Jacked wrote:RN, for interests sake do the number crunchers up top allow you to run your HP cars on premium fuel?

Have to use the ULP...only the WRX and the XR6Turbos were permitted to run the Premium.

RN

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 5:48 pm**

RN wrote:
ISUZUROVER wrote:
RN wrote:
WRX..had one about 9 years ago...went like stink, handled like on rails..

then it blew up.

Then we had it fixed...

then it blew up...

then we had it fixed....flogged it and then it went away.

It wasn't an STI, it was the 165 kw job...it was the motor. The bottom end as a matter of fact. Subby Japan was very interested in the engine as a few others started to fall apart but not as quickly as ours had failed. ( NFI why )

I herd that the speedo was being tested out for a malfunction on the franga freeway

Posted: **Fri May 22, 2009 6:25 pm**

Hamo wrote:
RN wrote:
ISUZUROVER wrote:
RN wrote:
WRX..had one about 9 years ago...went like stink, handled like on rails..

then it blew up.

Then we had it fixed...

then it blew up...

then we had it fixed....flogged it and then it went away.

It wasn't an STI, it was the 165 kw job...it was the motor. The bottom end as a matter of fact. Subby Japan was very interested in the engine as a few others started to fall apart but not as quickly as ours had failed. ( NFI why )
I herd that the speedo was being tested out for a malfunction on the franga freeway

I plead the fifth.

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