Outer Limits 4x4 Board

stockhorse wrote:"they do this out at willowbank/qld raceway after street meets and drift days.. Willowbank only has 1 way out, so they sit there pinging people for going and doing stuff legally.."
Not correct they are pinging people with unroadworthy cars

correct.. i've seen people get pinned for having bald tyres in the back of the car cuz they are "spares". A mate of mine also got done for his reg'd car with slicks/front runners on a car trailer because theyre "not dot approved"

im all for them sitting there and pinning the unroadworthy/illegal cars, but above is petty crap.

defmec wrote:... some of the rigs getting around bris are just redneck mobiles any thing with a 6inch lift and 35s shouldn't be on road

since the cops really started hitting the fooly sik people for anything and everything, lots of those people are now gettin into 4wds for 'crusing' in things exactly as you say, big lift, big tires, and no intention of ever leaving the tar.

happened when i been out there. only on event weekends.

MY HUMBLE ADVICE...

stay an extra day on these long weekends. it's not like you are ready to home yet anyways.

I cannot afford mod plates/ engineering certificates fkem

poootroll wrote:I cannot afford mod plates/ engineering certificates fkem

but you can afford thousands for a 4b and thousands on mods?

bogged wrote:

poootroll wrote:I cannot afford mod plates/ engineering certificates fkem

but you can afford thousands for a 4b and thousands on mods?

And can you afford thousands for personal damages when your insurance won't pay up for the damage/injuries you caused in your illegally modified car?

now your just making it sound like anyone with a modified 4b is goin to kill ppl.

SilverBulletBM wrote:now your just making it sound like anyone with a modified 4b is goin to kill ppl.

Not really, just pointing out to some younger players what they risk if it does all go tits up... no point them thinking everything in this world is rosey.

on the topic of back way out of willowbank, ever done it in a modified street car?
mine with hard but not kidney belt tight suspension was painfull, and it still sucked in my ute.

on the topic of defects leaving places, i think its crap, and im sure the people that run those places are just as impressed about it, they are obviously targetting an area, not just doing their job and keeping the streets safe in a day to day idea....
but then again, i dont support them defecting cars in industrial estates late at night, i live close to some of those estates, and hear the noise, but id rather that than them doing it in neighbour hoods, which is what happens when police target the preferred areas.

none of it solves the unsafe cars problem...

Potentially, the larger the diameter of your wheels the harder the brakes have to work to stop the vehicle (laymans terms). Larger whells without a brake upgrade can be dagerous.

I had to anwser that seeing as it it way off topic.


yeah true but the larger the tyre the larger the contact patch is when braking and that is what stops a vehicle and also i beleive less chance of locking the tyres up wich can halve braking distances

lump_a_charcoal wrote:By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

um because the vehicle on the tow truck hasn't been modified it is wrecked. A vehicle that has been modified illegally is very different thing. Seriously it isn't hard to figure out. If you car is on a trailer because it is wrecked then unroadworthy isn't an issue, if the vehicle is heavily modified and that state doesn't allow many mods then it's a pretty safe assumption that chucking it on a trailer doesn't suddenly make it roadworthy.

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also u keep talking about the big 4wds being so dangerous, cars dont kill people bad and dangerous drivers kill ppl i think you will find more comodore drivers would crash through house walls from speding and wreckless driving its the people that have the big 4x4s that know how dangerous they can be so they drive carefully i agree that illigal modifications are not right but some of us love the sport and cant afford to have a tow car a car trailer and a 4x4 dedicated for wheeling only and to have a capable car some of these mods are nessicary if you get caught well thats life learn to look less conspicuous and dont go lapping your local hang outs

fact is in sunny qld chances are that almost every car on this fourum if they were caught with the "excited DOT' outside such event could get defected for something no matter how little a "defect."

So even myself in safe minorly modded vehicles when i used to think cruiser park was fun would regularly take the back track!

This is the same DOT that told me that bigger springs and shocks was not a lift kit just body blocks Told my auntie who works in complience admin at dot that her work were very intellegent men

Anyhow fark the DOT and also the Bad men with 10 inch body blocks on a jimny and 44 inch boggers to run to shops. Wont even mention the homemade chassis

What about inner state rego cars nsw etc how do they go with dot at cruiser park?

madog wrote:also u keep talking about the big 4wds being so dangerous, cars dont kill people bad and dangerous drivers kill ppl i think you will find more comodore drivers would crash through house walls from speding and wreckless driving its the people that have the big 4x4s that know how dangerous they can be so they drive carefully i agree that illigal modifications are not right but some of us love the sport and cant afford to have a tow car a car trailer and a 4x4 dedicated for wheeling only and to have a capable car some of these mods are nessicary if you get caught well thats life learn to look less conspicuous and dont go lapping your local hang outs

the dangerous part isn't neccessarily the reason they are illegal. It can be safe as anything but if it is illegal then it i illegal. It's your choice to have an illegally modded vehicle but why then do so many people then whinge and moan when they get busted for having one? Its your choice, you know the rules and you know the consequences

The problem with trailering a vehicle into LCMP then fitting your larger rubber, or for that matter trailering your larger rubber in then fitting it, is DOT can legally come onto the place, on the gazetted road, and ping you if you travel on, or across the road reserve (thats not just the roadway itself)

On a different matter about private property- I believe the boys in blue can do you for DUI whilst driving on private property. In other words, if I have a bit of a session, and decide to move my car in my driveway, and I am over the limit, I can be done for DUI. If its true, then thats as stupid as getting done for it for deciding to sleep it off in your vehicle rather than attempt to drive home.

grimbo wrote:

lump_a_charcoal wrote:By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

um because the vehicle on the tow truck hasn't been modified it is wrecked. A vehicle that has been modified illegally is very different thing. Seriously it isn't hard to figure out. If you car is on a trailer because it is wrecked then unroadworthy isn't an issue, if the vehicle is heavily modified and that state doesn't allow many mods then it's a pretty safe assumption that chucking it on a trailer doesn't suddenly make it roadworthy.

So if you put your modified illegal fourbie on a tilt tray then that is OK?

Unroadworthy is unroadworthy, whether due to damage or illegal mods.

lump_a_charcoal wrote:By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

Today I seen unmarked cop car pull a BMW off the road and took off the plates and poped it on a tow truck, that would mean that car isn't rego'd and being driven on the road etc even though it's on the tow truck.

I couldn't see how they could book as you could contest the fines etc as it wouldn't be on the road as such.

It's a bit like being on your block of land and driving without seat belts and then having cops giving you a fine for not wearing seat belts, they can't do that unless you have a part of the body or a tyre on the road then they could book you and have to some people.

grimbo wrote:

lump_a_charcoal wrote:By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

um because the vehicle on the tow truck hasn't been modified it is wrecked. A vehicle that has been modified illegally is very different thing. Seriously it isn't hard to figure out. If you car is on a trailer because it is wrecked then unroadworthy isn't an issue, if the vehicle is heavily modified and that state doesn't allow many mods then it's a pretty safe assumption that chucking it on a trailer doesn't suddenly make it roadworthy.

My 1 question to this is prove that the unroadworthy vehicle is on the road.

if you got a fine for it you could take pics, though I couldn't see any copper being that plain stupid to fine people for carting stuff on the back of trailers etc unless it was unsafe loads.

Because what your saying anyone who is carting around a ride on lawn mower should be fined for carting an unroadworthy vehicle even though it's on a rego'd trailer same would happen with boats jet skis and you could go on and on, how ever I could see people getting done for non rego'd trailer's or not paying for the right trailer rego based on tonne carried on trailer etc.

BundyRumandCoke wrote:The problem with trailering a vehicle into LCMP then fitting your larger rubber, or for that matter trailering your larger rubber in then fitting it, is DOT can legally come onto the place, on the gazetted road, and ping you if you travel on, or across the road reserve (thats not just the roadway itself)

On a different matter about private property- I believe the boys in blue can do you for DUI whilst driving on private property. In other words, if I have a bit of a session, and decide to move my car in my driveway, and I am over the limit, I can be done for DUI. If its true, then thats as stupid as getting done for it for deciding to sleep it off in your vehicle rather than attempt to drive home.

They can do you for DUI and other traffic offenses if the property is deemed to be "public thoroughfare". This covers a wide range of things including service stations, shopping centre carparks, the main road at LCMP, even the Southbank Convention Centre/RNA when shows are on.

They used to get a lot of people at Kalbar Autofest when it used to be on under that law.

zagan wrote:

grimbo wrote:

lump_a_charcoal wrote:By the same rationale, a tow truck comes along to pick up a wreck from a crash... Gets pulled over and given a defect notice because the car on the back is unroadworthy - That would never happen, but what is the difference?

um because the vehicle on the tow truck hasn't been modified it is wrecked. A vehicle that has been modified illegally is very different thing. Seriously it isn't hard to figure out. If you car is on a trailer because it is wrecked then unroadworthy isn't an issue, if the vehicle is heavily modified and that state doesn't allow many mods then it's a pretty safe assumption that chucking it on a trailer doesn't suddenly make it roadworthy.

My 1 question to this is prove that the unroadworthy vehicle is on the road.

if you got a fine for it you could take pics, though I couldn't see any copper being that plain stupid to fine people for carting stuff on the back of trailers etc unless it was unsafe loads.

Because what your saying anyone who is carting around a ride on lawn mower should be fined for carting an unroadworthy vehicle even though it's on a rego'd trailer same would happen with boats jet skis and you could go on and on, how ever I could see people getting done for non rego'd trailer's or not paying for the right trailer rego based on tonne carried on trailer etc.

Its not the fact its on a trailer.

Its the fact that the vehicle is REGISTERED and at that very point in time, contains illegal modifications, regardless of wheter it is being trailered or not. Down south is a little different, I remember a mates off its head Monaro being pulled over on the way to the Nats and directed to a weigh bridge to weigh the load. As soon as the vehicle hit the road coming off the trailer, they nailed it with a million and one defects.

There is no fine line nowadays, its gotten to the point with both track cars and comp cars, if its trailered it might as well be a full comp truck with no rego. Then it becomes a pain when to enter LMCP, technically all cars need to be road registered. Catch 22.

Drift Technician wrote:

BundyRumandCoke wrote:


They can do you for DUI and other traffic offenses if the property is deemed to be "public thoroughfare". This covers a wide range of things including service stations, shopping centre carparks, the main road at LCMP, even the Southbank Convention Centre/RNA when shows are on.

Goes much further than that, Section 79 of Torums
That section covers the offences of drink driving and if you look it up you will see that it just mentions

Offence of driving etc. while under the influence
Any person who while under the influence of liquor or a
drug—
(a) drives a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel; or
(b) attempts to put in motion a motor vehicle, tram, train or
vessel; or
(c) is in charge of a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel;
is guilty of an offence and liable to a penalty not exceeding 28
penalty units or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 9
months.

Nothing about being on a road or elsewhere etc.
So that means you can get done anywhere.

The act is here http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... pRUA95.pdf

I find the funny part of all this is, I can put 38" tyres on a bicycle, and it can be driven on the road.... . In fact that sounds like a fun holiday project, anybody make a lift kit for a BMX?

Most of the above is very true, i have seen many times and been pinged a few (very minor mods that you lot down the bottom would laugh at) from entering and leaving L.C.M.P.. it is very petty most of the time and i do consider it revenue raising.. now one big issue people from nsw and vic seem to skip over is it is very hard to find let alone talk to a engineer here in qld, most are slack and will not even talk to you or the ones that do are for some reason kept secret by the people that use them.. this does not help at all with modded 4wd,s. im sure if we had nsw/ vic rules or even non slack engineers there would be way less of a problem up here.

Another thing to mention is maybe it is time for L.M.C.P to step up a little and make some of the park for unregistered vehicles like most other parks do, this in itself could open a can worms i bet, but it would solve a heap of problems and keep the original/ new people coming in.. i know i for one i take the back back road (not going to mention it or it will become useless also) into to L.C.M.P for fear of being done for my 265/75 x16 tyres on a bloody navara, im sure my std (oversized for std in the first place as are most vehicles) brakes can handle these little tyres... and yes it can and will happen... hence how petty this is getting...

cheers mark..

toaddog wrote:
Goes much further than that, Section 79 of Torums
That section covers the offences of drink driving and if you look it up you will see that it just mentions

Offence of driving etc. while under the influence
Any person who while under the influence of liquor or a
drug—
(a) drives a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel; or
(b) attempts to put in motion a motor vehicle, tram, train or
vessel; or
(c) is in charge of a motor vehicle, tram, train or vessel;
is guilty of an offence and liable to a penalty not exceeding 28
penalty units or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 9
months.

Nothing about being on a road or elsewhere etc.
So that means you can get done anywhere.

The act is here http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... pRUA95.pdf

Out of interest, how is (c) usually interpreted? Inserting the key in the ignition, or the door? (etc?).

e.g. someone who gets in their car in order to sleep it off could be charged under the law.

A mate of mine has been charged with DUI for being asleep in his car with the keys in the ignition - He wanted the fan to run and radio to be on...
An hour after falling asleep he hears a tap tap on the window - he winds it down and an officer puts a bag in his face...

yupp, keys have to be out of reach, glove box, boot etc....
might as well fuckin drive home rather than sleep a few hours in the car, less time in car = less risk right?
seems to be the way its getting...do the right thing, still get in trouble, so why bother trying?

mud4b wrote:Most of the above is very true, i have seen many times and been pinged a few (very minor mods that you lot down the bottom would laugh at) from entering and leaving L.C.M.P.. it is very petty most of the time and i do consider it revenue raising.. now one big issue people from nsw and vic seem to skip over is it is very hard to find let alone talk to a engineer here in qld, most are slack and will not even talk to you or the ones that do are for some reason kept secret by the people that use them.. this does not help at all with modded 4wd,s. im sure if we had nsw/ vic rules or even non slack engineers there would be way less of a problem up here.

Another thing to mention is maybe it is time for L.M.C.P to step up a little and make some of the park for unregistered vehicles like most other parks do, this in itself could open a can worms i bet, but it would solve a heap of problems and keep the original/ new people coming in.. i know i for one i take the back back road (not going to mention it or it will become useless also) into to L.C.M.P for fear of being done for my 265/75 x16 tyres on a bloody navara, im sure my std (oversized for std in the first place as are most vehicles) brakes can handle these little tyres... and yes it can and will happen... hence how petty this is getting...

cheers mark..

agree with you mud4b, engineers to do work up here are near on impossible to find, or have no foresight in terms of mod's.

i'd say that LCMP only lets rego vehicles in for insurance reasons.

Ben/isuzurover from what i've been told by a mate whos a coppa is even if you have the keys in your pocket, glovebox, etc - u have intention to drive so you are liable for DUI!!!

'in the past' i've seen DOT and police many times leaving cruiser park at various locations and i've been lucky enough to still be waived through even though my vehicle was on 35's but only 2" lift. however from last 'wave through' i shall only run my street tyres.

question - for a private import 4by with no tyre placard on it how do they determine a 'factory size' if overseas they are fitted with different dia tyres to here???????????

it should have a tyre placard fitted at compliancing stage, so theyll ping you for that or something similar instead

imported in the mid 80's, no placard, never had a problem when going to DOT for rego and other mod plates, as lame as it may sound, 'how am i supposed to know it should have a placard when i've been to DOT 3 times for and they have never said anything?'

def90 wrote:imported in the mid 80's, no placard, never had a problem when going to DOT for rego and other mod plates, as lame as it may sound, 'how am i supposed to know it should have a placard when i've been to DOT 3 times for and they have never said anything?'

When I imported my skyline a few years ago the engineer asked what size wheel and tyre I wanted to run and we just made a tyre placard up to suit and stuck it on the door like most factory cars are.

So I would do the same in your case. Be realistic though no cop is going to believe a massive tyre was factory fit.