Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Slunnie wrote:

ethann wrote:Push bikes don't have to pay rego? They shouldn't even be allowed on the road.
I live in the country and on country roads when theres a push bike rider taking up 1/2 of my lane on a blind corner, or on a crest or something where you can not see whats on coming, And you have to slow down to 20k's because they don't stick as far left as they can. They wonder why people hoot there horns, get up them and speed off around when safe to do so?

Not all 4wd's are 'h00nz'. It's more the P'plate commo's.

Firstly its not your lane, even though the riders dont pay rego its is equally as much their lane also. What is fair and what you think is fair is irrelevant. Secondly they seem to prefer to do that than ride to the left and get sideswiped - from everything I've heard from riders, they do this deliberately because its safer for them, and they have no real protection. Thats also why they ride abreast and not inline when in a lane - the very thing you have described is why they do it.

spot on slunnie. try riding for a week then see if your attitude towards cyclists is still the same. i never have any problems with cyclists getting in my way when i drive, and i drive for a living. i think that ya only have problems with people if you dont have an understanding and have a severe case of tunnel vision.

Slunnie wrote:

ethann wrote:Push bikes don't have to pay rego? They shouldn't even be allowed on the road.
I live in the country and on country roads when theres a push bike rider taking up 1/2 of my lane on a blind corner, or on a crest or something where you can not see whats on coming, And you have to slow down to 20k's because they don't stick as far left as they can. They wonder why people hoot there horns, get up them and speed off around when safe to do so?

Not all 4wd's are 'h00nz'. It's more the P'plate commo's.

Firstly its not your lane, even though the riders dont pay rego its is equally as much their lane also. What is fair and what you think is fair is irrelevant. Secondly they seem to prefer to do that than ride to the left and get sideswiped - from everything I've heard from riders, they do this deliberately because its safer for them, and they have no real protection. Thats also why they ride abreast and not inline when in a lane - the very thing you have described is why they do it.

^ exactly what he said

btw, be careful when doing that in the city, you will find many of us are carrying trolley bars clamped under the rails just for those nobs like you who insist on hurling abuse, traffic lights will do your arse in....

chikoroll_ wrote:

Slunnie wrote:

ethann wrote:Push bikes don't have to pay rego? They shouldn't even be allowed on the road.
I live in the country and on country roads when theres a push bike rider taking up 1/2 of my lane on a blind corner, or on a crest or something where you can not see whats on coming, And you have to slow down to 20k's because they don't stick as far left as they can. They wonder why people hoot there horns, get up them and speed off around when safe to do so?

Not all 4wd's are 'h00nz'. It's more the P'plate commo's.

Firstly its not your lane, even though the riders dont pay rego its is equally as much their lane also. What is fair and what you think is fair is irrelevant. Secondly they seem to prefer to do that than ride to the left and get sideswiped - from everything I've heard from riders, they do this deliberately because its safer for them, and they have no real protection. Thats also why they ride abreast and not inline when in a lane - the very thing you have described is why they do it.

^ exactly what he said

btw, be careful when doing that in the city, you will find many of us are carrying trolley bars clamped under the rails just for those nobs like you who insist on hurling abuse, traffic lights will do your arse in....

You didn't happen to destroy a newish Mercedes a couple of months ago in Manly did you???

Look, I drive and I ride. I know there's di*kheads in both camps. Some people need to calm down a lot.

Cyclists should only have to start paying road tax when pedestrians start paying footpath tax. AND that's no reason to run them off the road... most cyclists also own cars and pay road taxes anyway, you should thank them for leaving the car at home and not causing you extra traffic jams.

hando wrote:

chikoroll_ wrote:

Slunnie wrote:

ethann wrote:Push bikes don't have to pay rego? They shouldn't even be allowed on the road.
I live in the country and on country roads when theres a push bike rider taking up 1/2 of my lane on a blind corner, or on a crest or something where you can not see whats on coming, And you have to slow down to 20k's because they don't stick as far left as they can. They wonder why people hoot there horns, get up them and speed off around when safe to do so?

Not all 4wd's are 'h00nz'. It's more the P'plate commo's.

Firstly its not your lane, even though the riders dont pay rego its is equally as much their lane also. What is fair and what you think is fair is irrelevant. Secondly they seem to prefer to do that than ride to the left and get sideswiped - from everything I've heard from riders, they do this deliberately because its safer for them, and they have no real protection. Thats also why they ride abreast and not inline when in a lane - the very thing you have described is why they do it.

^ exactly what he said

btw, be careful when doing that in the city, you will find many of us are carrying trolley bars clamped under the rails just for those nobs like you who insist on hurling abuse, traffic lights will do your arse in....

You didn't happen to destroy a newish Mercedes a couple of months ago in Manly did you???

Look, I drive and I ride. I know there's di*kheads in both camps. Some people need to calm down a lot.

Cyclists should only have to start paying road tax when pedestrians start paying footpath tax. AND that's no reason to run them off the road... most cyclists also own cars and pay road taxes anyway, you should thank them for leaving the car at home and not causing you extra traffic jams.

Talk about off friken topic


My point is I personally dont have any problem seeing cyclists or pedestrians, i dont mind sharing the road with either however if the are doing the wrong thing and get hit maybe they should also question what they are doing.



On topic the problem as I see it is this State govt thinks that by limiting the raising or lowering of vehicles it is somehow going to change the behaviour of so called "hoon" drivers. Maybe by getting more police on the road focussing on problem drivers instead of passing stupid regulations that not only affects innocent, hard working, taxpaying citizens, like ourselves but also jeopardizes the livelihood and jobs of thousands of people in the automotive aftermarket industry. These regulations must be amended and the only way to do it is to show your concern by writing/visiting your local member/state minister/ oposition minister and telling them calming and logically why these regulations should be changed

hando wrote:

chikoroll_ wrote:

Slunnie wrote:

ethann wrote:Push bikes don't have to pay rego? They shouldn't even be allowed on the road.
I live in the country and on country roads when theres a push bike rider taking up 1/2 of my lane on a blind corner, or on a crest or something where you can not see whats on coming, And you have to slow down to 20k's because they don't stick as far left as they can. They wonder why people hoot there horns, get up them and speed off around when safe to do so?

Not all 4wd's are 'h00nz'. It's more the P'plate commo's.

Firstly its not your lane, even though the riders dont pay rego its is equally as much their lane also. What is fair and what you think is fair is irrelevant. Secondly they seem to prefer to do that than ride to the left and get sideswiped - from everything I've heard from riders, they do this deliberately because its safer for them, and they have no real protection. Thats also why they ride abreast and not inline when in a lane - the very thing you have described is why they do it.

^ exactly what he said

btw, be careful when doing that in the city, you will find many of us are carrying trolley bars clamped under the rails just for those nobs like you who insist on hurling abuse, traffic lights will do your arse in....

You didn't happen to destroy a newish Mercedes a couple of months ago in Manly did you???

Look, I drive and I ride. I know there's di*kheads in both camps. Some people need to calm down a lot.

Cyclists should only have to start paying road tax when pedestrians start paying footpath tax. AND that's no reason to run them off the road... most cyclists also own cars and pay road taxes anyway, you should thank them for leaving the car at home and not causing you extra traffic jams.

This is the biggest load of shite and I hear it all the time.

By this logic, since I have two cars, but can only drive one of them at any one time, I only need to pay rego for one car.

What really shites me is when there is a bike lane painted on the road yet the numpty's still insist in riding in the traffic lane.

However, this is all off topic. And I dont see how a 2" lifted 4wd is any more dangerous than a standard one. And how they can be classed as a dangerous vehicle simple because a clock ticked over.

Mods..

Please remove irrelevant post... push bikes etc.

This is s serious topic ans will affect thousands of owners and companies who fit/manf parts for cars and 4wds.

I dont believe peeople really understand the enormity of it.

Bazzle

I also had one of those "take your paerwork to the RTA to renew your registration" messages on their Website.

I rocked up this morning and had a nice chat to a trainee (they're best as they will make an effort) and she gave me the Tech Dept phone# to find out more on the 50mm kift deal.

When she printed out my new rego sticker there was a code on it that wasn't on the one I got in the mail.

She didn't know what the code meant so looked it up in the computer and it tells anyone who knows the codes that the vehicle has an engineers report on it.

THis may work to my advantage, or disavantage. At an RBT stop the Police would know the RTA is aware of the vehicle having modifications and may then accept it as is. Of course it may also make them ask for the engineers reports.

I doubt the average Copper would understand an engineers report but they're entitled to read them.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... y-2009.pdf


Effective 1st August 2009


Bazzle

Athol wrote:
I finally realised what the lowering by 150mm that is to be banned is about. They just effectively banned hotrods as well.

I dont believe this to be correct.
A hotrod chassis has componenets or suspensions swapped into it that were not original. They are normally set up in the chassis so that further modification is not required, therefore they are not lowered more than legal.
Even old school Holden front crossmembers are recessed into the chassis to set the height.....not bolted in and then suspension modified to get it right.

hotrod4x4 wrote:

Athol wrote:
I finally realised what the lowering by 150mm that is to be banned is about. They just effectively banned hotrods as well.

I dont believe this to be correct.
A hotrod chassis has componenets or suspensions swapped into it that were not original. They are normally set up in the chassis so that further modification is not required, therefore they are not lowered more than legal.
Even old school Holden front crossmembers are recessed into the chassis to set the height.....not bolted in and then suspension modified to get it right.

Not quite, as an example, my 38 pickup, has a Jag front, and low profile 17 inch tyres, the cab has been channelled 100mm, my "trim hight" is almost 400 mm lower than the standard one we have in the back yard awaiting it's rebuild, under VSI 50 that's not possible to register

This is totally stupid now.... its like the show is being run by a total goose with a hidden adgenda......

Its now confirmed that any Certs that have been done since 17/7 are being disallowed.........

Latest is that the engineers are in a meeting with the RTA

Guys, can anybody sending the pollies a letter also send the letter/email to me @ nookymonsta@hotmail.com, I'll print them off and present them to my local member next Monday

I have just renewed my rego this morning and they have my engineers report listed on my rego papers and cond.CO96 but if I now go to put a different motor in (LS2 old 4.5 is dying) will the new engineers report be just for the motor as a seperate mod and if not will that mean I no longer pass their VS50 crap if they all have to be together??

In what year do you think they started to keep records of trim heights?
probably only vague records for any pre 70's vehicle.


and what now happens to re-bodied production vehicles?
a couple that come to mind are hotrods on a Jap ute chassis, or even AC Cobra's on the old toyota crown chassis......I'm sure a cobra's trim height would be different to a crown.

hotrod4x4 wrote:In what year do you think they started to keep records of trim heights?
probably only vague records for any pre 70's vehicle.


and what now happens to re-bodied production vehicles?
a couple that come to mind are hotrods on a Jap ute chassis, or even AC Cobra's on the old toyota crown chassis......I'm sure a cobra's trim height would be different to a crown.

From what the RTA told me, only the last 5 years or so with some exceptions

Breaker Brother wrote:

hotrod4x4 wrote:In what year do you think they started to keep records of trim heights?
probably only vague records for any pre 70's vehicle.


and what now happens to re-bodied production vehicles?
a couple that come to mind are hotrods on a Jap ute chassis, or even AC Cobra's on the old toyota crown chassis......I'm sure a cobra's trim height would be different to a crown.

From what the RTA told me, only the last 5 years or so with some exceptions

I was about to go back to about 2000 (http://ols2.rta.nsw.gov.au/rvd/welcome.do).
I am curious if they have any specs on my '74 CJ6 and will be stunned if they have ANY records for my '46 Ute

I wonder what the trim height the RTA has on Range Rover DAKARS/Bushrangies?

I guess they could only look at photos of other vehicles around the world?

Mine could well comply as they wouldn't know what the correct figures would be.

zuffen wrote:I wonder what the trim height the RTA has on Range Rover DAKARS/Bushrangies?

I guess they could only look at photos of other vehicles around the world?

Mine could well comply as they wouldn't know what the correct figures would be.

We're getting away from the point a little, the goal here is to make sure this ill thought idea doesn't become legislation at all, in the case that it does, I'm sure some mentally challenged bureaucrat will come up with some arbitrary measurement for each body/style and or model and then we're all stuffed

If we want them to take notice, all we have to do is what the truckies do.....
a blockade.
Every person involved in cars, car clubs, the automotive industry etc etc is affected, so surely if we organised to block each major city for a day, they would take notice?

more effective than an online petition that could easily get thrown away.
theres no way to miss the effects of blocking the major roads to the cities.

hotrod4x4 wrote:If we want them to take notice, all we have to do is what the truckies do.....
a blockade.
Every person involved in cars, car clubs, the automotive industry etc etc is affected, so surely if we organised to block each major city for a day, they would take notice?

more effective than an online petition that could easily get thrown away.
theres no way to miss the effects of blocking the major roads to the cities.

do you actually think that would put 4wds in a positive light for the general public who already don't like them?

I'm talking about vehicles in general, 4wd or other
It could be done in a daily driver if it came down to it.....its to get noticed and show how many people it affects, not to show off the defectable vehicles.

As I say, nearly every car club or people in the sales/manufacturing side of the Auto industry it affects.

I'm talking about vehicles in general, 4wd or other
It could be done in a daily driver if it came down to it.....its to get noticed and show how many people it affects, not to show off the defectable vehicles.

As I say, nearly every car club or people in the sales/manufacturing side of the Auto industry it affects.

I rekon hes onto something there maybe not block a city/town but some sort of protest might at least show numbers.
Id say if everyone just in this thread talked to all the people they go out wheeling with to meet somewhere that will get noticed it would probably be a good day n maybe achieve something.

Not impressed at all.... I have rung nearly every engineer in the state and they are either not answering their phones or they are not touching anything until after the 1st August or they themselves dont have a clear understanding of exactly what is going on... apparently anything from now on has to do the lane change test which is gunna add big bucks to the equation, but most engineers wont perform the lane change test as their are no set guidelines to who is responsible if they roll the vehicle etc....

Just got of the phone to my engineer and he has told me the 3 cars I have been building for customer could be all worthless all have had reports started photos taken of the progress and are in the system but if they are not finished in the next 9 days we could be up shit creek.

One is a Hilux coil overs and 37s One a 48 Chevy pick up with a chassis notch, air bags and jag front end it owes the owner about $25,000 so far the other a Zook with the works coil overs,37s etc.

We were told that if you had a report started and the rules were changed you had 12 months to have the cars finished but the RTA will not tell the engineer if this still stands as this was the old rule.

I can't see how this rule will stop CAR HOONS as the owner of the Zook and Chevy I am building are in there late 40s and the Hilux is my car that is being built as a touring rig to travel around OZ.

Seems like some one is getting payed to much money and has nothing better to do with there time.

anyone have any info on the ncop in queensland?

rustys wrote:I can't see how this rule will stop CAR HOONS as the owner of the Zook and Chevy I am building are in there late 40s and the Hilux is my car that is being built as a touring rig to travel around OZ.

Neither can i.

Some of the craziest shit we ever pulled when me and my mates were on our P's was in stock standard cars. We'd find cars that were under $500 with rego (even if it was only a week) share the cost on them and thrashed them till they were dead. Changing ride height laws isn't going to do crap to things like that. Even the fastest car i've ever owned ran at stock height and it could push 300km/h.

As i stated in many of my emails "hoon" is an attitude, not a vehicle.

I think there is a lot of people up shit creek with current builds. My dad has been working on a Rangie Ute, which was being built along the lines of a tourer more then anything else and he looks like he has to start again on some parts of the project because of this and he is nearly 60.

swb_ute wrote:anyone have any info on the ncop in queensland?

the QLD RTA.

Al this carry on is purely for NSW at the moment. They had different rules to QLD and now will have new tougher laws that again are different to QLD.

Does anyone know where the justification for all these restrictions has come from? Or is it just some politicians useless scare mongering policy that sounds good to the average Joe who just drive cars.

I modify my vehicles to suit both my tastes in looks and suitability for the job I wish to use it for. My old street cars were modified to suit the club racing I used to do, my 4wd is modified so I can explore our wonderful wilderness. And for a lot of us cars/4wd's are not just a form of transport. They are a hobby, an interest, an expression of our individuality , some even consider it an artform. (I know of quite a few hotrods that fit that last category) What would happen if artists were all told that all new art could only be created in 2 colours and only to a maximum size of 300 cm2.

If it could be proven to me that a substantial reduction in road trauma and death could be acheived by this I would be all for it, but I cannot see any justification on what I consider to be a political stunt to get votes from the misinformed public.

trim height being the highest point of the vehicle.ie roof
in the owners manuel,it lists variants under
specifications?
or is trim something other?

shortyq wrote:trim height being the highest point of the vehicle.ie roof
in the owners manuel,it lists variants under
specifications?
or is trim something other?

VSI 50 regards it as the top of your wheel arches.