Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:14 am**

GO79 wrote:3 cruisers with 6.5 ltrs ive been in, are the biggest doweist gutless heaps of shit out
and one had a turbo with high flow heads intercooler blah blah and still overheats like a dog and is dowy and the owner has spent nearly $30 g and says if he wasnt so deep in it he would never ever use one of these motor conversions again, wish he stuck with his 4.5 petrol motor

Maybe you could get a petrol patrol and turbo it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v55UtXvSUZ0

The old 6.5 was a horrible engine and not worth putting in, However the 6.6 duramax is a totally different story. 400+HP, huge amount of torque, and still use same amount as fuel as a V6 commodore. Sounds good to me

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:15 am**

The 200 certianly drinks fuel, as well as oil, early on, we have some customers who run 200 and towing big vans, and 24-29 lt per 100km they average towing, up to 45 lt per 100km sometimes, tyres down, outback.

Neither had anywhere near that consumption with thier power boosted 100's with TD.

Lucky they are better for the environment, for the reasons they had to phase out the 1hdfte..........

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:31 am**

Toyota is turning into a real turd of a manufacturer. I used to have a huge amount of faith in quality and reliability of their vehicles, but I don't think I would buy any of the current versions.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:29 pm**

chunks wrote:Toyota is turning into a real turd of a manufacturer. I used to have a huge amount of faith in quality and reliability of their vehicles, but I don't think I would buy any of the current versions.

yeh, stick to nissan, they will never let you down.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:30 pm**

where are lc 200 built?
when is the new wiz bang trol being released?
arent the lc 200 tt?

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:37 pm**

shortyq wrote:where are lc 200 built?
when is the new wiz bang trol being released?
arent the lc 200 tt?

Japan

Who cares

Yes.

Posted: **Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:52 pm**

Shadow wrote:
shortyq wrote:where are lc 200 built?
when is the new wiz bang trol being released?
arent the lc 200 tt?
Japan

Who cares

Yes.

are you sure they are japan built!
unlike the brazilian hilux,s

Posted: **Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:07 am**

patrolmad wrote:Problem solvered.

I ordered a new Patrol today and have it booked in for a 6.5L Chev conversion.

Thanks for your help anyway.

Be sure to do a build thread so we know you are not FOS

Posted: **Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:12 pm**

shortyq wrote:
Shadow wrote:
shortyq wrote:where are lc 200 built?
when is the new wiz bang trol being released?
arent the lc 200 tt?
Japan

Who cares

Yes.
are you sure they are japan built!
unlike the brazilian hilux,s

Close ,the luxes that we get are from Thailand
the cruiser's are all Japanese

cant beat a 1hft 80
well you can
a 1HDFTE 80

6.5 chev = piece of shit
6.6 from what i have heard are awesome totally new ball game

Posted: **Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:12 pm**

Shadow wrote:
chunks wrote:Toyota is turning into a real turd of a manufacturer. I used to have a huge amount of faith in quality and reliability of their vehicles, but I don't think I would buy any of the current versions.
yeh, stick to nissan, they will never let you down.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:59 am**

patrolmad wrote:Problem solvered.

I ordered a new Patrol today and have it booked in for a 6.5L Chev conversion.

Thanks for your help anyway.

have a nice time with your 30 year old motor

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:09 am**

NQCalais wrote:My work one used about 1 litre before the 10,000 km service and hasn't used any since. I towed a 3500kg trailer from Ayr (near Townsville) to Gunnedah, back to Toowoomba, back to Wee Waa, back to Dalby and then back to Ayr - about 7000km in 3 weeks all up. Used no oil and averaged about 17-22L/100km with the trailer on and about 10-12L/100km without the trailer. No oil usage at all.

My old V8 petrol 105 Series averaged 37L/100km on the same trip to Gunnedah last year - I stopped counting after that as it was soooo baaaddd........

That being said, we run 3x 200 Diesels and the earliest one (Oct 2007) used a bit of oil until the "mod" was done. The latest two (including mine May 2009) haven't had any real trouble with this.

This is it guys, from the horses mouth!

Big amounts of k's racked up, hard going on some of those roads, towing a heavy trailer. This guy knows his stuff about the new motors.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:27 am**

So everyone else is just making it up and there is actually no problem? Bit like Nissan saying there are no problems with ZD30s...

As for my Nissan never letting me down, I don't get into stupid brand name arguments. Toyota vs Nissan is as bad as bogans arguing between Ford vs Holden. I have owned all of them, each have their good and bad points. Some people are just incredibly narrow minded.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:32 am**

Shadow wrote:
chunks wrote:Toyota is turning into a real turd of a manufacturer. I used to have a huge amount of faith in quality and reliability of their vehicles, but I don't think I would buy any of the current versions.
yeh, stick to nissan, they will never let you down.

I wouldn't buy a current model Nissan either. Thankfully I have a late 06 gu with the last of the td42s so I won't be getting rid of it anytime soon.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:51 pm**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6KJXeOM0k
seen this on other forum
In one of the your tube vids the bloke says how much power the single turbo v8 has towing such a big van
You must be towing the titanic with your 200 series i thought a 2nd turbo would a fair bit more

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:24 pm**

chunks wrote:So everyone else is just making it up and there is actually no problem? Bit like Nissan saying there are no problems with ZD30s...

As for my Nissan never letting me down, I don't get into stupid brand name arguments. Toyota vs Nissan is as bad as bogans arguing between Ford vs Holden. I have owned all of them, each have their good and bad points. Some people are just incredibly narrow minded.

they have issues, but tow fine...

how funny is all the patrol guys in here... LOL w*nkers!

go buy the 3L turbo lads, its only half the motor.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:30 pm**

GO79 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6KJXeOM0k
seen this on other forum
In one of the your tube vids the bloke says how much power the single turbo v8 has towing such a big van
You must be towing the titanic with your 200 series i thought a 2nd turbo would a fair bit more

And the single turbo 70 series version of the engine is suppose to be detuned even further than just removing one of the twin turbos, so that the 70 series drivetrain can cope with that lesser amount of power.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:43 pm**

SimonInAustralia wrote:
GO79 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6KJXeOM0k
seen this on other forum
In one of the your tube vids the bloke says how much power the single turbo v8 has towing such a big van
You must be towing the titanic with your 200 series i thought a 2nd turbo would a fair bit more
And the single turbo 70 series version of the engine is suppose to be detuned even further than just removing one of the twin turbos, so that the 70 series drivetrain can cope with that lesser amount of power.

The 70 series has 150ish kw and pulls a loaded tandem trailer full of bricks (3 tonne probably all up with a tray load of crap aswell) with absolute ease.

Posted: **Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:55 pm**

Shadow wrote:
SimonInAustralia wrote:
GO79 wrote:In one of the your tube vids the bloke says how much power the single turbo v8 has towing such a big van
You must be towing the titanic with your 200 series i thought a 2nd turbo would a fair bit more
And the single turbo 70 series version of the engine is suppose to be detuned even further than just removing one of the twin turbos, so that the 70 series drivetrain can cope with that lesser amount of power.
The 70 series has 150ish kw and pulls a loaded tandem trailer full of bricks (3 tonne probably all up with a tray load of crap aswell) with absolute ease.

200 Series 1VD-FTV
Max Power (kW/rpm) 195 @ 3400
Max Torque (Nm/rpm) 650 @ 1600-2600
Kerb Weight (kg) 2630-2720

70 Series 1VD-FTV
Max Power (kW/rpm) 151 @ 3400
Max Torque (Nm/rpm) 430 @ 1200
Kerb Weight (kg) 2055-2345

200 series has 30% more power and 50% more torque than the 70 series.

200 series is between 12% and 32% heavier than the 70 series (depending on whether comparing heavier 70 series Troopcarrier to lighter 200 series model, or lighter 70 series cab chassis to heavier 200 series model).

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:16 am**

New Patrol 3.0L

118kw
380Nm

half the power, half the torque.

From here:
http://www.nissan.com.au/webpages/model ... cification

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:35 am**

a naturally aspirated Toyota 2H motor will generate around 70kw @ 3500 rpm. The 6.2 litre Chev diesel offers nearly 120kw at the same rpm

The above is from Linquip website:
http://www.linquip.com.au/

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:43 am**

There is also a specs page:

http://www.linquip.com.au/specs.htm

Its all measured in imperial, so i'll do the conversions using the following (we live in Australia after all and went METRIC in February 1966!!!):

http://www.americanmachinist.com/Calcul ... oKilo.aspx

using a horsepower to kw calculator:

6.2L chev is around 115kw
6.5L chev is around 126kw

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:45 am**

The 6.5L chev weighs heaps more and delivers marginally more power than the 3.0L turbo

A 3.0L turbo with chip and exhaust would probably smoke him off the lights using half the fuel or less....

World's biggest tosser!!!!!

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:43 am**

He's not getting a 6.5....

patrolmad wrote:Hardly a boat anchor. It is the current 6.6L Duramax which produces 365 HP at 3,200 RPM and 660 lb-ft at 1,600 RPM.

Posted: **Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:54 am**

Bj, agree wholeheartedly on the 6.2/6.5, they are dinosaurs.

However duramax is anywhere from 300 to 365 hp, up to 660ft.lb torque, will put the landcruiser 4.5 to shame. (convert those to metric if you want - the HP goes down 1/4 but the torque goes up by about 1/3 so you end up with roughly 275kW and 850Nm which is fairly significant in anyone's book.

turbo, exhaust, intercool and tune a 1HD-FT and you have potential for 600+Nm, 170+kW, who knows what's possible with a chip, exhaust and proper intercooler on a 4.5 cruiser V8?

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:52 pm**

yeah he said 6.5L chev. By the time he spends $20k on a drive in drive out on that and closer to $30k on the 6.6 duramax (which he didnt mention on the last page)

Imagine what $30k on chip, exhaust and internals would do on the 4.5L V8 diesel, would have to be an animal!

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:12 pm**

A duramax is nearly 50% bigger than the toyota.

cube for cube the toyota is a better engine. They just need to release a 6l version and then we will all be happy

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:46 pm**

="thrashlux"cant beat a 1hft 80
well you can
a 1HDFTE 80

Dont get it wet

Andrew

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:54 pm**

Manual 200 series are detuned in the torque department as the auto box is stronger

Posted: **Mon Oct 26, 2009 8:06 pm**

GO79 wrote:Manual 200 series are detuned in the torque department as the auto box is stronger

They come in manual?

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WTF is it with the LC200 4.5?