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Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:23 am**

Hey RB

Do you have a engineers cert for ya body lift..?

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:42 am**

PAZZ wrote:Hey,
I have a coily aswell!!!

Its got 2.5'' springs with choped front towers

PAZZ

PAZZ whats the go with the choped front towers ? do they allow longer shocks or what ?or are they lowered to allow more drop ? got any photos ?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 12:43 pm**

nelligen wrote:
PAZZ wrote:Hey,
I have a coily aswell!!!

Its got 2.5'' springs with choped front towers

PAZZ
PAZZ whats the go with the choped front towers ? do they allow longer shocks or what ?or are they lowered to allow more drop ? got any photos ?

You get more droop but less travel the other way shock bottoms out more easily.

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 1:31 pm**

HRZOOK wrote:
nelligen wrote:
PAZZ wrote:Hey,
I have a coily aswell!!!

Its got 2.5'' springs with choped front towers

PAZZ
PAZZ whats the go with the choped front towers ? do they allow longer shocks or what ?or are they lowered to allow more drop ? got any photos ?

You get more droop but less travel the other way shock bottoms out more easily.

HRZOOK

yea I just packed the top of the shocks with a few urethane bushes to gain a little extra drop , but cutting the tower down would be a better option , do you know how much can be cut off before it starts to bottom out on the shock instead of the bump stop ?? it looks like maybe 40mm to me ?? Do they also fit larger bump stops ?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 1:42 pm**

antt wrote:anyone got a pic of the front suspension and steering setup on the coily/jimny?

also a wms->wms measurement?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 2:05 pm**

nelligen wrote:
HRZOOK wrote:
nelligen wrote:
PAZZ wrote:Hey,
I have a coily aswell!!!

Its got 2.5'' springs with choped front towers

PAZZ
PAZZ whats the go with the choped front towers ? do they allow longer shocks or what ?or are they lowered to allow more drop ? got any photos ?

You get more droop but less travel the other way shock bottoms out more easily.

HRZOOK
yea I just packed the top of the shocks with a few urethane bushes to gain a little extra drop , but cutting the tower down would be a better option , do you know how much can be cut off before it starts to bottom out on the shock instead of the bump stop ?? it looks like maybe 40mm to me ?? Do they also fit larger bump stops ?

PM A1 MAV he did this mod to his old coilly

I think he said about a 1" can come off before you need to start playing with the bump stops

Another way to be sure is take front suspension from zook replace without coils. Than you can move suspension easily and see exactly how much you have to play with.

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 2:08 pm**

antt wrote:
antt wrote:anyone got a pic of the front suspension and steering setup on the coily/jimny?

also a wms->wms measurement?

Good shots of jimnys here http://www.jimny-jam.co.uk/

If ya want a good shot of a coilly Let me know what you want me to focus on and i'll take some

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 2:55 pm**

HRZOOK wrote:Hey RB
Do you have a engineers cert for ya body lift..?
HRZOOK

as far as i know he doesn't yet, but is planning to sometime (suuuuuuuuuuure he is

) surprised he hasn't been done yet, it stands out like dogs balls... very bling.

hmm.. dunno how bling dogs balls are, but u know what i mean

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 8:51 pm**

The widetrack bits won't fit the knuckles on a coily are a different size.
it would be easier to convert the widtrack housing to accpt the coily mounts.
SAM

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 10:15 pm**

HRZOOK wrote:
nelligen wrote:
HRZOOK wrote:
nelligen wrote:
PAZZ wrote:Hey,
I have a coily aswell!!!

Its got 2.5'' springs with choped front towers

PAZZ
PAZZ whats the go with the choped front towers ? do they allow longer shocks or what ?or are they lowered to allow more drop ? got any photos ?

You get more droop but less travel the other way shock bottoms out more easily.

HRZOOK
yea I just packed the top of the shocks with a few urethane bushes to gain a little extra drop , but cutting the tower down would be a better option , do you know how much can be cut off before it starts to bottom out on the shock instead of the bump stop ?? it looks like maybe 40mm to me ?? Do they also fit larger bump stops ?

PM A1 MAV he did this mod to his old coilly

I think he said about a 1" can come off before you need to start playing with the bump stops

Another way to be sure is take front suspension from zook replace without coils. Than you can move suspension easily and see exactly how much you have to play with.

HRZOOK

From memory i think my new tower that i made up outta some gal heavy wall pipe was bout 60mm high ................the pic here of Lesters Shock tower looks bout well ova 100mm like i said im only goin off memory i flexed mine a number of times to work out how much i could afford to cut out and also how big iwould have to make my bumpstops so that i wouldnt fuk my shocks any way a fe pics of old A1 flexin down on Porters Road / and a pic of Lesters standard height towers ..........................

my new bumpstops were just a peice of 50x50 x3 shs a hole drilled either end and i just unbolted the origianl bump and placed this spacer in then put bump back on and bolted it all up wen the front compressed i had bout 5-10mm of travel levt b4 bottoming the shock out ............worked betta than standard thats for sure

And one of the main reasons i done this mod was because i changed from 2" lift coils to 2 1/2 and also fitted another 15mm spacer to go around the lower part of the shock where the coil perch locates i had already fitted a spacer that came with the ultimate brand lift i origianally purchased and i couldnt afford at the time changin shocks so this mod was easy

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 10:17 pm**

few more

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 10:20 pm**

last

(Freds Hill wearin some borrowed 31x11.5 claws)

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 10:34 pm**

I lied just found this pic and you can just see the shock tower lowered height aswell as the larger od size of the tube ( i had been told of a few guys jumpin zooks punchin the shock through the top of the tower the upper plate on these towers is 5mm dont think the new owner will have any dramas :roll:

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 10:51 pm**

Nice flex there A1, how did it go for scraping with the 11.5's.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:01 pm**

xtreem from memory i had no dramas with the tyres with scrubbin although i did have a few dramas keepin the tyres in contact with terafirma :roll:

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:05 pm**

A1 These photos kick ass

I feel so cheap cause I don't go hard enuff

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:11 pm**

Mate i neva gave it a hard time ......................only driven to church and to pick up grocerys ........................um honest :roll:

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:12 pm**

HRZOOK wrote:A1 These photos kick ass

I feel so cheap cause I don't go hard enuff

HRZOOK

Yes certainly not scared of breaking it is he.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:16 pm**

A1MAV wrote:Mate i neva gave it a hard time ......................only driven to church and to pick up grocerys ........................um honest

Is that what you told the poor sod you sold it too. I bet you didn't show him these photos :lol:

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:17 pm**

this wheelin happened a while ago :cry:

.......................wasnt bad the old POS

Heath i have vids of most of these trips if ya want a lend of em sing out the wheels up is all caught on vid .........i ended up collectin a tree on landin but the lead up with peoples cooments in the background is a clanga :lol:

also check out www.mudcow.com for vids of the outerlimits freds hill trip

Dan

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:19 pm**

Oh yeah

I went 4x4ing on the weekend and one of my mates didn't show so I showed him the photos you sent me and tod him it was me. He was piised he missed me doing that stuff.

tricky huh

I will eventually tell him and give u the cred

HRZOOK

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:22 pm**

Surely your not having this much fun in the MAV. I know your not thats why your always hanging in the ZOOK forum. :lol:

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2004 11:27 pm**

only wheeled the mav twice in well ova 12 months ........slow build up trying to get it right also a learning process doin all of the suspension mods by myself.................

But yes i do miss the old A1ZOOK ................there may be a zook in the garage eventually but prob a vitara 4 door family hack hence y i still have AIZ-OOK plates on my misses rolla :twisted:

(only a maybe tho)

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2004 7:32 am**

what??? you guys actually lowered your upper shock mounts :?:

If i was going to the hassle of cutting the chassis I would be raising my shock mounts to fit longer shocks

But yeah if you are still hamstrung by the original shocks in the front then you can pack the top end down about 30mm on the thread and get about 30mm more droop.

if you put rancho RS5117 or RS9117 on the standard towers you double your suspension travel in the front.

you have to modify the ranchos to have a spring seat on them

Cheers lester

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2004 9:56 am**

Hey,

My shock towers are lower by a bit more then half the standard size,
I have no problems with botttoming out or anything now.

The reason i came to doing this mod was because i pulled both front shocks through the top of the the towers from haveing no down travel!!!
All it really dose is put it back to the standard position for the strut.

But all is working great and if you have the same setup you should do this mod, its cheap and easy if you know someone who is good at welding.

cheers paz

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2004 10:03 am**

[quote="suzukisam"]what??? you guys actually lowered your upper shock mounts :?:

If i was going to the hassle of cutting the chassis I would be raising my shock mounts to fit longer shocks

But yeah if you are still hamstrung by the original shocks in the front then you can pack the top end down about 30mm on the thread and get about 30mm more droop.

if you put rancho RS5117 or RS9117 on the standard towers you double your suspension travel in the front.

you have to modify the ranchos to have a spring seat on them

Extending the shock towers up on a coily is going to bend the chassis as its already a weak point at standard height (or so I have been told) and with the extra leaverage it will bend the chassis in at the top.

Posted: **Fri May 28, 2004 6:53 pm**

A1MAV wrote::? few more

Zook at PORTER'S Gee I miss that track.
SAM

Posted: **Sat May 29, 2004 8:34 pm**

HRZOOK wrote:Hey RB

Do you have a engineers cert for ya body lift..?

HRZOOK

nah not yet. havnt been pulled over by cops yet.

as far as engineers go shouldnt be any problem.

Posted: **Sat May 29, 2004 10:46 pm**

xtreem wrote:

Extending the shock towers up on a coily is going to bend the chassis as its already a weak point at standard height (or so I have been told) and with the extra leaverage it will bend the chassis in at the top.

Whats this about bending the chassis?I got told when looking into lifts by tough dog that the chassis flexing was the reason that they canned suspension development for the coilly.

Is there any point in a coily suspension setup that isnt a weak point?

Posted: **Sat May 29, 2004 11:59 pm**

muppet_man67 wrote:
xtreem wrote:

Extending the shock towers up on a coily is going to bend the chassis as its already a weak point at standard height (or so I have been told) and with the extra leaverage it will bend the chassis in at the top.

Whats this about bending the chassis?I got told when looking into lifts by tough dog that the chassis flexing was the reason that they canned suspension development for the coilly.

Is there any point in a coily suspension setup that isnt a weak point?

myself and xtreem were talking to staff at Big Balls Off Road at the Sydney 4x4 show about mods to my coily suspension and the guy said they dont sell anything for the coily suspension because the chassis have been known to bend around the front shock towers after fitting hi lift heavy duty suspension , I wouldn't expect this to be a problem on small lifts like most of us do (40-50mm), I have never talked to any coily owners that have experienced this problem , but keep it in mind when doing your mods .......................I can see Overkill Engineering selling lots of the coil kits to us coily owners :idea:

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