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hi_luxmad wrote:Yes you are 100% correct Struth.
You in fact ARE god's gift to 4x4.

Wow nice grammar, thanks. I especially like the high lighting of the word ARE.

Anyway as fun as this has been I must move on now.

Cheerio

well back on topic i always thought that a vn or vp or that vintage v6 was a straight bolt in, and is why so many people run commo v6's. Because it's certainly not for power or torque.

oldmate wrote:well back on topic i always thought that a vn or vp or that vintage v6 was a straight bolt in, and is why so many people run commo v6's. Because it's certainly not for power or torque.

with the commo conversion you need a bellhousing which is bout a grand i think and custom engine mounts and an aftermarket computer and a whole heaps of little things for sensors and stuff.
i bought a vt for the purpose of doing this and found out it was more money and trouble than its worth.

a few people ive talked to with the 7m say its an awesome upgrade and pretty easy

hi_luxmad wrote:

oldmate wrote:well back on topic i always thought that a vn or vp or that vintage v6 was a straight bolt in, and is why so many people run commo v6's. Because it's certainly not for power or torque.

with the commo conversion you need a bellhousing which is bout a grand i think and custom engine mounts and an aftermarket computer and a whole heaps of little things for sensors and stuff.i bought a vt for the purpose of doing this and found out it was more money and trouble than its worth.

a few people ive talked to with the 7m say its an awesome upgrade and pretty easy

You don't need an aftermarket computer or other sensors and stuff as you use the standard commo computer and the sensors on the motor. I don't understand why people think they have to run aftermarket computers with engine swaps

doesnt it have a problem with going into limp mode all the time

hi_luxmad wrote:doesnt it have a problem with going into limp mode all the time

None of the ones I've seen do and a couple of mates are running ecotecs which are a bit more complex, no dramas with using the factory computer and sensors. You do need a customized loom but you need that with any EFI transplant

VT motors have anti theft programmed in to the ECU get it removed you are sorted.... bout $50 at a good speed shop or similar.

hiluxmad wrote:VT motors have anti theft programmed in to the ECU get it removed you are sorted.... bout $50 at a good speed shop or similar.

close it is through the BCM, which isn't used in a conversion, just have to trick the computer into thinking it is there or you can use it and mount the ignition in place of the hilux one, mate did the latter in his lux

go 3rz just did this swap.

not sure about easyest but ive seen been apart of, 22re, 18rg, commo v6, and a number of holden v8s. this is what ive found.

22re - motors seem'd to blow up all the time and get no better fuel economy, and with a little bit more power. was easy enought to covert as it was all bolt up stuff using stock parts for verious toyo's, cheap enough to do.

18rg - about the same as 22re, but didnt blow up, made about the same power, was easy to convert, cost of a motor was more though. as there more rare.

v6 - vn or vp motors, cheap to get, drank the fuel, made ok power, much more than stock, any setup running a auto was not the best, the manual one seems better. had to buy coonvetion parts, if got all second hand, and u can wire a ecu it can be done cheap enough. manual setup seems to be cheaper to do than auto and would be my pick.

holden v8s, 253, waste of time, heavy and slow. 308 a little better but carbys no good for hills, gas was the only way, 304 efi, good power, same fuel eco as v6, autos not to bad, manual blow up all stock boxs, only the stronger 151 box (i think) was the go. and manual was a look better to drive and use, again convertion stuff
neeeded.

so far this would be my pic of the above, but know were near ur 500 mark.

the v6s and v8s always got hot in the bush.

M series motors have head and head gasket issuse bbig time, any one ive hear of useing them said not to.

1G - never been in one, seem easy enough to convert, good power and fuel eco, cheap to get and modify.

1UZ - about the same price to get as the 1g as far as ive seen, fits in easy enough, it been done time and time again, good power to be made and very strong motor. can use the 1UZ auto and it will bolt to one of the surf T cases with small mods, not cheap to run a manual setup behind a 1UZ as they were never manual stock.

my pick would be a 1G or 1UZ

hope this help u? ill know motr info if u need to aask, i cant be fuck typing it all out in one post.

dan.

thanks for that dan

i will definitly be goin a 7m or 1g as i like the power output and are relatively cheap and good on fuel.

as for the head gasket problem in the 7m if you get a metal one and torque the bolts to 75nm it should be good to go.there was a problem from the toyota factory with torque settings.

ive also tracked down a 1ggze the supercharged version of the 1g which would be the same conversion,

not real keen on the 1uz because i dont need that much power and heard parts are expensive.

i will have crawler and diff gears in so only really doing the conversion for the fuel injection.

it is only even driven on road to and from the bush anyway its not a steet car.

bubs is getting me a price atm for the adapter from auto to transfer and id prefer to use the auto so my girlfriend can drive it if she wants to have a go and for the ease of use.
i may go fully manualised auto later down the track with a bbm ratchet shifter.

As others have said not sure where you get the easiest conversion from? Generally the easiest ones are the most common as you have a lot of knowledge to draw on.

If it were me I would go a 1uz the crap about parts being expensive is exactly that, crap. If the 1uz wasnt liked then the 304 would be my second pick. The only reason people think parts are easier to find, cheaper to buy etc for the 304 is they cant be stuffed doing any research.

If you do some checking you find that a lot of the parts for the 1uz can be found across the Toyota range at reasonable prices. If however all you want to do is walk into the local speed shop and not do any research then the Holden motor is a better choice as the 1uz confuses too many of them

Personally the 1g for me wouldnt be worth the effort of a conversion or to be honest would the 7m. If your happy with the power outputs of them I would be inclined to go a 3rz as its a well proven engine. It also is built for a 4wd and has better sealing etc.

thatnks for your input boof but i have made up my mind and am going the 7m of 1g.
id rather do something different and hilux's are pretty light so it should go well for what i need it to do.
as stated before it will have crawler gears so not alot of power is needed anyway.
apart from that i have already tracked down a full car for less that 1000 with new headgasket and a few other things and yes he has reciepts.

the 1uz and box would be upwards of 1300 plus the adapter and wiring loom if it doesnt come with one

the 7m im getting comes with everything as its a full car and its under a grand.

hi_luxmad wrote: id rather do something different

hang on... you want to do the easiest and cheapest thing, but you still want it to be different? rule of thumb says that the easiest and cheapest are the ones that everyone has done, because a) everyone has done the hard yards and got all the info needed, and b) bits n pieces are a dime a dozen, because, well, everyone has one!


but hey, do what ya want, thats fine.

just make sure you take pics and keep us upto date on your progress...


if its any good, we may not laugh at you... good luck...

so 800 for a full car with motor,box,wiring loom and the rest isnt cheap to you?

i havent seen a whole lot of hiluxs with a 7m in them have you?

the motor bolts straight up to the hilux mounts with 5m mounts and bubs makes an adapter for the transfer.
another bloke makes a stand alone loom.

why is this not easy?
how is it not different to every other lux with a commo v6 or lexus v8?

hi_luxmad wrote: i havent seen a whole lot of hiluxs with a 7m in them have you?

hahaha nope and for a reason

hi_luxmad wrote:so 800 for a full car with motor,box,wiring loom and the rest isnt cheap to you?

i havent seen a whole lot of hiluxs with a 7m in them have you?

the motor bolts straight up to the hilux mounts with 5m mounts and bubs makes an adapter for the transfer.
another bloke makes a stand alone loom.

why is this not easy?
how is it not different to every other lux with a commo v6 or lexus v8?

read what i said lad!

you asked opinions on the EASIEST conversion. you were told the easiest conversions, and you were told that the conversion you are going with is NOT a recommended one.

now, im not having a go at you for this, im mearly pointing out that the advice you have asked for is the advice that you have chosen to ignore...

you said you wanted easy and i told you what constitutes as easy (something everyone has done because all the hard work has been done for you), then you make the statement that you are doing a 7m conversion because "id rather do something different". i just pointed out that "different" rarely means "easy"


now get ya knickers out of a knot and read what people are typing!


im gunna have to start speaking in child speak soon... or ill just stop sticking up for the kid...

hi_luxmad wrote:i will have crawler and diff gears in so only really doing the conversion for the fuel injection.

So stop wasting everyones time and put EFI on the 3y

Struth wrote:

0401blakos wrote:then y do u keep replying?y dont u just laugh and turn the page.didnt ur mum ever tell u to ignore people and they will go away?pfft keyboard warriors.

Wot U tryin 2 sA, dat I not as smart as ur, y don u use reel words

bahahahahahahahahahahahaha can i buy you a beer that is gold!

I've done the 1G conversion, it was easy. The soarer bellhousing bolted to the hilux gearbox, then it all bolts together. i made my own set of custom engine mounts, i dont think you can get any that will bolt up???

Have a look at my "members ride" thread, its all step by step in there.

BumbleBee wrote:I've done the 1G conversion, it was easy. The soarer bellhousing bolted to the hilux gearbox, then it all bolts together. i made my own set of custom engine mounts, i dont think you can get any that will bolt up???

Have a look at my "members ride" thread, its all step by step in there.

He doesn't want to research any information already on the site, in a huge abundance. He wants to make a new thread and have all the answers here, then take those answers and great advice and tell everyone that he is going todo a conversion a mate told him was " straight bolt in".

hi_luxmad wrote:
i havent seen a whole lot of hiluxs with a 7m in them have you?

why is this not easy?

Quick question. Have you measured the length of the 7M and the length of the hilux engine bay?
The 7M harmonic balancer might be dragging on your bullbar....

So are you still going with the 7M.
Surely a 1HZ should be considered too

Something different for the mighty hilux.

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

Probably get it cheap now, as its no longer the most powerful engine in the world

Clanky wrote:Something different for the mighty hilux.

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

Probably get it cheap now, as its no longer the most powerful engine in the world

but he is getting crawler gears so he doesn't want heaps of power, even though that would be different to all those hiluxes with V6s and 3RZs

Someone told me that you can't blow up a 3/4y.. So have a TD04 of a wrx ($50) to a blowthrough webber carb ( from RECARB $500) with a targo electoric dissy($80) set up waiting for the plumbing to test this fact... ill let you know how it goes..

S.CoXy wrote:Someone told me that you can't blow up a 3/4y.. So have a TD04 of a wrx ($50) to a blowthrough webber carb ( from RECARB $500) with a targo electoric dissy($80) set up waiting for the plumbing to test this fact... ill let you know how it goes..

why waste ur time as a 7m is the easiest conversion why not just drop that in lol

johnsy86 wrote:

S.CoXy wrote:Someone told me that you can't blow up a 3/4y.. So have a TD04 of a wrx ($50) to a blowthrough webber carb ( from RECARB $500) with a targo electoric dissy($80) set up waiting for the plumbing to test this fact... ill let you know how it goes..

why waste ur time as a 7m is the easiest conversion why not just drop that in lol

Because it's been done before, Remeber the need to stand out aswell

i'd bolt in a 20B triple rotor cause it's something different.