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Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

For the curious, this is what i'm thinking about copying. Not exactly but the same concept. Yes i know it won't be anywhere near as strong as a conventional SA setup, and after all is said and done i could just buy another set of GQ diffs for similar money as what could go into these.
I'm just sick of monotony, wanna do something different and fun at the same time. Whether i chuck a nam halfway through though is yet to be known!

fightara, yes they would have to be locked but the welder will solve that problem !!

Surfection wrote:I'm just sick of monotony, wanna do something different and fun at the same time.

But Surfection, you never see a project through As fun as the build up is, what use is it if it gets put in the "too hard basket"? I know we all do this to some extent, but you have said in the past that you sent good money after bad... your money is your own but, i'm hoping it's 3rd time lucky

Slunnie wrote:The rear in the V6 frontera is a Dana. Not sure about the front though. The V6 Frontera is US built, not Jap/Pom.

same as 4J's, it seems to be only the smaller puss bucket MU that has the smaller ctr.

Arent the pommy ones 2.2 opel?


NICK

MQ080 wrote:

Surfection wrote:I'm just sick of monotony, wanna do something different and fun at the same time.

But Surfection, you never see a project through As fun as the build up is, what use is it if it gets put in the "too hard basket"? I know we all do this to some extent, but you have said in the past that you sent good money after bad... your money is your own but, i'm hoping it's 3rd time lucky

Shannon who are you to say i don't see a project through !! I'm just trying to think of ways to keep myself busy on weekends, the last buggy project was gonna be minimum $10,000. It's been revised and if i go ahead with this it'll be alot cheaper.
I hate the fact that i've lost big $$$ on this hobby / love, but it's the way it is... and if i have to lose some more to continue doing what i enjoy, so be it !!

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

Funny, i sold 2 MN rear diff assembles today, they went to a guy in sydney. I was thinking to myself that it may have been you, so i had to ask the guy. Anyway he wasnt you, some performance shop down there that is going to be fitting they to nissan skylines.

$5000 the pair complete.


NICK

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

Funny, i sold 2 MN rear diff assembles today, they went to a guy in sydney. I was thinking to myself that it may have been you, so i had to ask the guy. Anyway he wasnt you, some performance shop down there that is going to be fitting they to nissan skylines.

$5000 the pair complete.


NICK

:cough:RAPE:cough:

Dude for 5k i sure as hell wouldn't be running pajero diffs under a buggy, i could practically build the whole thing for that with lux etc diffs !!
They must be fawkin strong though to demand that sorta $$$ !!

Surfection wrote:

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

Funny, i sold 2 MN rear diff assembles today, they went to a guy in sydney. I was thinking to myself that it may have been you, so i had to ask the guy. Anyway he wasnt you, some performance shop down there that is going to be fitting they to nissan skylines.

$5000 the pair complete.


NICK

:cough:RAPE:cough:

Dude for 5k i sure as hell wouldn't be running pajero diffs under a buggy, i could practically build the whole thing for that with lux etc diffs !!
They must be fawkin strong though to demand that sorta $$$ !!

it is the rearity of them, one had 5000km on it and the other had 8. where else would you get them like that except mitsubishi? And it maybe a rape, but what would you have sold them for?


NICK

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

Funny, i sold 2 MN rear diff assembles today, they went to a guy in sydney. I was thinking to myself that it may have been you, so i had to ask the guy. Anyway he wasnt you, some performance shop down there that is going to be fitting they to nissan skylines.

$5000 the pair complete.


NICK

:cough:RAPE:cough:

Dude for 5k i sure as hell wouldn't be running pajero diffs under a buggy, i could practically build the whole thing for that with lux etc diffs !!
They must be fawkin strong though to demand that sorta $$$ !!

it is the rearity of them, one had 5000km on it and the other had 8. where else would you get them like that except mitsubishi? And it maybe a rape, but what would you have sold them for?


NICK

The most i could get for them !! Not bagging you dude just shocked at the $$. Hate to think what mitsu would charge new or even trade on one !!!

Surfection wrote:

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

NICK wrote:

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

Funny, i sold 2 MN rear diff assembles today, they went to a guy in sydney. I was thinking to myself that it may have been you, so i had to ask the guy. Anyway he wasnt you, some performance shop down there that is going to be fitting they to nissan skylines.

$5000 the pair complete.


NICK

:cough:RAPE:cough:

Dude for 5k i sure as hell wouldn't be running pajero diffs under a buggy, i could practically build the whole thing for that with lux etc diffs !!
They must be fawkin strong though to demand that sorta $$$ !!

it is the rearity of them, one had 5000km on it and the other had 8. where else would you get them like that except mitsubishi? And it maybe a rape, but what would you have sold them for?


NICK

The most i could get for them !! Not bagging you dude just shocked at the $$. Hate to think what mitsu would charge new or even trade on one !!!

thats what the sub frame is worth from mitsubishi so look at like he got the CTR, AXLES, A-ARMS, DISCS etc for free.

What about forgetting 4x4's and looking at some of the import cars, i reckon some of them must be cheap for rear setups and now is the time to buy as it is almost the end of the financial year.

NICK

Farrrrrrk I could get them much cheaper than that......................
Hmmmm maybe a marketing opportunity here going around in the middle of the night knocking off NM Paj rear ends from all the soccer mums
Won't they get a shock when they load up the Paj with super suckhole spoilt brat Junior and all his posh crap to be ferried to an outrageously priced private school in the morning
I'd only have to poach 2 or 3 a week and make a nice little income to build up my ultimate galgameth Poojabber

Bitsamissin wrote:Farrrrrrk I could get them much cheaper than that......................
Hmmmm maybe a marketing opportunity here going around in the middle of the night knocking off NM Paj rear ends from all the soccer mums
Won't they get a shock when they load up the Paj with super suckhole spoilt brat Junior and all his posh crap to be ferried to an outrageously priced private school in the morning
I'd only have to poach 2 or 3 a week and make a nice little income to build up my ultimate galgameth Poojabber

even easier steal 75's cruiser ash tray's



NICK

Surfection wrote:fightara, yes they would have to be locked but the welder will solve that problem !!

In that case I say commodore Go cheapo

I'm not being negative, more power to ya, but I believe that a number of people have tried this in the US and the cost, high sprung weight, complexity and strength issues ( not to mention a "limited" gain in ground clearance) meant that many of them have gone back to a shaved solid axle. with a bigger tyre. There might be angle related issues with the CV's too ( reduced strength on high angles) Nissan in the US used 3 CV's per wheel on the front af a race car about 10 years ago to get around this problem. What was the plan for knuckles?

PS "only" 500 real HP for a Jag rear end.... seems ok for a 4WD to me...Then again, I reckon 660cc is plenty for a 4wd so i'll just shut up

Gwagensteve wrote:I'm not being negative, more power to ya, but I believe that a number of people have tried this in the US and the cost, high sprung weight, complexity and strength issues ( not to mention a "limited" gain in ground clearance) meant that many of them have gone back to a shaved solid axle. with a bigger tyre. There might be angle related issues with the CV's too ( reduced strength on high angles) Nissan in the US used 3 CV's per wheel on the front af a race car about 10 years ago to get around this problem. What was the plan for knuckles?

PS "only" 500 real HP for a Jag rear end.... seems ok for a 4WD to me...Then again, I reckon 660cc is plenty for a 4wd so i'll just shut up

Thanks for the comments steve... knuckles will probably be stock toy ifs setup, but not with toy control arms obviously. Not really sure at this stage, as i said, just wanna try something different. Tyres would be limited to 35/36 with an auto box to minimise stress and shock loading.
Just looked in the tradingpost, seems VR/VS IRS diffs can be had for under a hundred bucks,might go down that route on the weekend and see what turns up.

So will you be out sleeping with the dog once you ma finds out you are building a toy again??

Tis alright, i will look after her

slowhilux wrote:So will you be out sleeping with the dog once you ma finds out you are building a toy again??

Tis alright, i will look after her

arrrrgghhh, dude you are the queen of gross !!! :yak:
If this one goes ahead it'll be small enough to fit amongst all my shite in the garage.

fightara wrote:

Surfection wrote:fightara, yes they would have to be locked but the welder will solve that problem !!

In that case I say commodore Go cheapo

I believe it read/heard somehwere they werer making air lockers for commos, as they would help boat owners on slippery boat ramps,

if not, you still have Detroits, and spools and the likes.........there are alot of options out there,

How about a Dana44R from the front of a Tata.

I guess now you bring that up, its also important that you can get matching CW/P ratios if you mix up the diff sources.

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

For the curious, this is what i'm thinking about copying. Not exactly but the same concept. Yes i know it won't be anywhere near as strong as a conventional SA setup, and after all is said and done i could just buy another set of GQ diffs for similar money as what could go into these.
I'm just sick of monotony, wanna do something different and fun at the same time. Whether i chuck a nam halfway through though is yet to be known!

fightara, yes they would have to be locked but the welder will solve that problem !!

Duuuude, remember the young bloke that argued with me that coils flexed better than leaves And I said, but leaves are cheaper, easier, quicker, and simpler!!

You wanted something different.

FAWK something different, put a different dash in it, or different wheels on it, make it with solid axle diffs, easier, cheaper and quicker and simpler. A buggy could keep you going for a year if your only going steady and doing it on weekends, and not putting heaps of effort in and keeping it bling all the way!!

You will look back in two years and agree with me!

Bitsamissin wrote:Farrrrrrk I could get them much cheaper than that......................
Hmmmm maybe a marketing opportunity here going around in the middle of the night knocking off NM Paj rear ends from all the soccer mums
Won't they get a shock when they load up the Paj with super suckhole spoilt brat Junior and all his posh crap to be ferried to an outrageously priced private school in the morning
I'd only have to poach 2 or 3 a week and make a nice little income to build up my ultimate galgameth Poojabber

fark you crack me up!

Some of the Jap-crap Blingmasters would be able to help. A lot of the latest RWD offerings from Toyota and Nissan run IRS with some serious HP behind them (300ZX, any of the Lexus's, etc.)

May well be a cheaper option.

Should be plenty of options with R/P's.

The Rodeo (Frontera) and similar Isuzu/Holden vehicles have D44 solid rears, at least in the USA.

The TT 300ZX rear is the R230, 230mm crown wheel. Not sure about the stub axle shaft diameter, but the R200 uses 29 and 30-spline, so figure the R230 is that or larger. The full-size US Pathfinder Armada with the 305 hp (227 kW) 385 lb-ft (522 n-m) V8 uses the R230 as well, with 14 and 16-tooth pinion gears no less!

The venerable R200 has served the Skyline for years now, and still serves the 350Z.

The Ford Mustang Cobra uses an 8.8 IRS rear to put down 390 hp and 390 lb-ft (290 kW, 529 n-m).

The Viper uses a measly Dana44-4 rear to put down 500 hp and 525 lb-ft (373 kW, 712 n-m) if you can believe it...

And of course there are plenty of other supercar-class examples...

Brent

bj on roids wrote:

Surfection wrote:

Slunnie wrote:Make it into a solid axle with loads of diff clearance.

He's a thinker !!

Great work guys, thanks alot... i'll start comparing prices of the commo, paj and frontera...

For the curious, this is what i'm thinking about copying. Not exactly but the same concept. Yes i know it won't be anywhere near as strong as a conventional SA setup, and after all is said and done i could just buy another set of GQ diffs for similar money as what could go into these.
I'm just sick of monotony, wanna do something different and fun at the same time. Whether i chuck a nam halfway through though is yet to be known!

fightara, yes they would have to be locked but the welder will solve that problem !!

Duuuude, remember the young bloke that argued with me that coils flexed better than leaves And I said, but leaves are cheaper, easier, quicker, and simpler!!

You wanted something different.

FAWK something different, put a different dash in it, or different wheels on it, make it with solid axle diffs, easier, cheaper and quicker and simpler. A buggy could keep you going for a year if your only going steady and doing it on weekends, and not putting heaps of effort in and keeping it bling all the way!!

You will look back in two years and agree with me!

agreed!

jeremy, just buy a narrow track zook, extend the chassis, put some lux diffs in, gear it and wheel chit out of it

or do your flipped gq-diffed buggy

don't pull a nam!

N*A*M wrote:
don't pull a nam!

mmmm It gets awful boring when one bites of more than they can chew

Im Chewing like crazy but havn't enough teeth

But on your Diff thoughts ,,

Have no idea if this would go together BUT - Series 111 rover butts
are cheep as , dana 60 derivative - with a smaller input spline on the pinion i think Going by seal sizes , No doubt bill on the board would know ,
Cut the centre out ,use a D60 35 spline spool , and grab some 35 spline outer stubs from a front dana , cut the housing to siut bingo probly 20"
wide, run 2 1/2 inch steam pipe for axles ---- out to an other set of 35 spline stubs .

Larry

Bitsamissin wrote:Farrrrrrk I could get them much cheaper than that......................
Hmmmm maybe a marketing opportunity here going around in the middle of the night knocking off NM Paj rear ends from all the soccer mums
Won't they get a shock when they load up the Paj with super suckhole spoilt brat Junior and all his posh crap to be ferried to an outrageously priced private school in the morning
I'd only have to poach 2 or 3 a week and make a nice little income to build up my ultimate galgameth Poojabber

midnight auto supply!!!!!!! lol