Outer Limits 4x4 Board

V.W.Dave wrote:
If I dropped it all the way down to about 2" off the bump stops all around and ran coil over air-shocks in the rear with a link system would this keep the front end working the way it is now? In your apinion would a 4 link with pan hard or 3 link with A frame be best???
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airshocks and coilovers have nothing stopping downtravel so it dosent matter if you have it on the bumstops or 5 inches from them. as soon as you drive your front tire up somthing the airshock/coilover is gunna just go straight to full droop before the front does anything. you need resistance on the drooping wheel so it forces the front to work aswell

"A" frames and triangulated 4 links act in the exact same way

3 link + panhard are good

4 link + panhard (5 link) = bad idea they bind and no way to get around it. same as radius arms

imo it dosent matter what link setup you choose as they can all be setup to react the same in most situations if you know what your doin

Redzook is on the money there - Air shocks are notorious for "pushing off" or unloading, and whilst coilovers can be better, they'll still do it., which is why coilover cars generally run a sway bar as part of their suspension tuning.

You need to address roll stiffness separately from suspension travel. Roll stiffness is not and effect of spring rate, wheel travel, or even spring medium. I can take my springs out all together and I still have high roll stiffness due to my radius arms.

Steve.

You lost me with coil over air shock!!!

As for your suspension, I thought my car went really well spoa front and 5 link rear. I always had the problem of my car being too tall.
But now that I have linked the front my car is soo much more balanced which makes a massive difference on the trails
Basically coil the rear, soften up the front as much as you can and look forward to when you coil the front.

Yes air shocks have the ability to unload badly.
I have played with oils and pressures to get it fairly close. Nothing a pull down winch won't fix

It is very hard to get a spring shock and steering setup in the front, main reason went air shocks

11_evl wrote:You lost me with coil over air shock!!!

Hybrid coilover airshocks, sold by Locktup.

http://www.redbackshocks.com.au/product ... -airshocks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gwagensteve wrote:

This is how I drive it - with the radius arm bolts all in, .

ive read through this a few times steve, but for the life of me i can't think of what bolts you would be taking out of the radius arms to allow it to flop without them falling out.
its looking like my heap will be getting coils in the front on lux diff and i'm thinking of going the radius arm and panhard. i don't suppose you have a pic of the arm out of the car. would love to see how close the bushes are to being on a horizontal plane, unlike a patrol.... if you know what i mean

mr green wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

This is how I drive it - with the radius arm bolts all in, .

ive read through this a few times steve, but for the life of me i can't think of what bolts you would be taking out of the radius arms to allow it to flop without them falling out.
its looking like my heap will be getting coils in the front on lux diff and i'm thinking of going the radius arm and panhard. i don't suppose you have a pic of the arm out of the car. would love to see how close the bushes are to being on a horizontal plane, unlike a patrol.... if you know what i mean

from my forum stalking of the G man... I'm fairly confident that he has range rover radius arms in the rear. and it's a common trick to remove the outside bolt at the diff on one end to free up alot of binding. Kind of the basic theory an x-link works on.

Shakes is on the money.

I can't find a good photo of a stock arm.

here's a modified arm that's been cranked an extra 3˚.


They are a lot more horizontal than a patrol arm. They are also longer and have better bushes. (There's a reason patrols don't flex in the front and Rovers do.)
80 series landcruiser arms might also be a good candidate.

Steve.

Gwagensteve wrote:Shakes is on the money.

I can't find a good photo of a stock arm.

here's a modified arm that's been cranked an extra 3˚.


They are a lot more horizontal than a patrol arm. They are also longer and have better bushes. (There's a reason patrols don't flex in the front and Rovers do.)
80 series landcruiser arms might also be a good candidate.

Steve.

better bushes?.....so how is a bush that is smaller with less rubber between the bonded components going to give more flex? i think there might be other factors at play also. 80 series bushes (front points) are edzachery the same as nissan.

ah ok. thanks for the replies, all. well i ordered a couple of pajero rears today for the grand sum of $25 each plus freight. from the quick glance i had at one in a car park, they look fairly flat. not sure what the bushing is like yet but whatever worked in the paj will do me,

I have some here, I was going to use them on my front. The arms are long and straight. Big bushes.

But im now going custom..