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marin wrote:Been told that gas will fade heaps earlier than foam cell when on corrugations and the like, when they are being worked hard and heating up, as well as what robbie said

then look at these


http://www.users.bigpond.com/ARB4X4/shocks.htm

The canister assists keeping them cool by sticking it in the cool flowing air, same system bikes have used for 25+ yrs..

how much?

marin wrote:if you retain the rear springs, i'm presuming that it will simply lift the wheel when it gets to the length of the spring, without over stretching the spring?

what is the need to space the front shock tower? why wont it do the same as the rear?

a standard height GQ coil will stretch to the length of a 14" travel shock, think leverage. obviously it won't last forever, but it will probably see the life of your car out. obviously a taller spring will do it a lot easier, unless you have some obscene spring rate.
clamp the front springs in too, you might think the long bumpstop will hold them there, but if you get the car vertical enough they will slide off the bottom. then they mash your brake lines and stuff.

bogged wrote:

robbie wrote:why not?

Cause you can go to any ARB store get OMEs in 3inch lift, and if they die anywhere, theres heaps of ARB Suppliers to replace under warranty...

I'm trying to do the same thing as Marin pretty much. After speaking to ARB at two different dealers both of them told me arb does not do 3" kits at all. After asking both of them about the N19L and N29L shocks they both gave me vague responses and pretty much told me that it may work but they could be a little long for a 75mm lifted spring. ARB do not have 75mm higher coil springs either. I'm thinking of going TJM.
See here. http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=22619

A1MAV: got any pix of the retainers/springs at full stuff (springs compressed & extended)

Foam cells are a cheap way to make a shock.
Gas pressurised shocks will out perform foam cells. Ive seen foam cells fall to bits internally when subjected to lots of fast outback work. Gas shocks go better and if they soften up due to fade come good again when allowed to cool a bit.
I think Aussies are getting ripped off with cheap import shocks with foam cells which are then priced high so some thinhk thay must be good.... Marketing??


Bazzle (IMO)

bazzle: your words are always true, but I have heard exactly the same thing about nitrocharges & gas shocks..

so I am a tad confused on what to get now

robbie wrote:so I am a tad confused on what to get now

just get it done allready

just get it done allready

that was useless and non-constructive post, this is a serious thread and your "as usual" useless contributions are not at all helpful or wanted

hottiemonster wrote:

robbie wrote:so I am a tad confused on what to get now

just get it done allready

coming from you, thats the funniest thing I have heard you say.....

beef or chicken? chicken or lamb? hmm might just have pizza.. get the idea?

i know mine was bad, but this is starting to become the same robbie. i was confused, u are confused, we are both just as bad

marin wrote:that was useless and non-constructive post, this is a serious thread and your "as usual" useless contributions are not at all helpful or wanted

well what are you going to do about it?

Now now boys........................
Ben your stuff is in the back of the Jabber which will be parked at Cheezy's from saturday onwards for a while.

Bitsamissin wrote:Now now boys........................
Ben your stuff is in the back of the Jabber which will be parked at Cheezy's from saturday onwards for a while.

getting that bundy diff put in & all the other goodies? how long is jabber out of action?

From what he says about 3-4 weeks plus there's always the field testing and minor adjustments

robbie wrote:A1MAV: got any pix of the retainers/springs at full stuff (springs compressed & extended)

not with the new rear coils i will try n get some this weekend im not gettin as much droop as b4 (i think because my lowers are now hitting the chassi rail slightly in the pics in my members section from behind i was only missin out on full droop by bout 17mm with the 99012's but as seen in the pic i was gettin and still am full compression on the shock in its new location...............


Wendle has run this setup with no dramas on his rig (old stlye not sure on new setup ) with wat im aware no dramas ...........



Dan

cheers dan.. try to get the pics asap if ya can..

marin (ben) will be making our spring retainers as outlined by yourself hopefully which will be sweet..

we are going the 3" dobinsons springs & tough dog shocks which are made for 4" lift, thats why we are putting in the retainers..

Yep will do robbie ..................

Im sure you will have no dramas .................the upper plate on mine not the retainin plate but the 1 thats it bolted to i actually welded into the hole (shaped with grinder tp suit) in the upper coil perch the plate also has a strengthen plate on top (flatbar) and i position this so that wen ya pop ya bolt in the head of thebolt sits up against the plate and stops it from spinnin wen ya under neath tryin to do it up works a treat ........


ffffff i will now take a breath realloy gotta learn how to use the full stop key




Dan

do they need to be welded in? is there a way to actually bolt them in?

A1MAV wrote:Yep will do robbie ..................

Im sure you will have no dramas .................

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ffffff i will now take a breath realloy gotta learn how to use the full stop key




Dan

you used them all at the start!

i'm gona have a go drawing up some retainers from the pics and info while its all still fresh in my mind, but i'm thinking that i will want the spring b4 i make them so that i make them exactly to size. What did you use to weld them? mig or arc? also, how thick and what material is suitable to use? This will be my first real piece of engineering on my car, so i dont want to fark it up, otherwise i will be hesistant to do anything else.

A1MAV wrote:

robbie wrote:
Wendle has run this setup with no dramas on his rig (old stlye not sure on new setup ) with wat im aware no dramas ...........



Dan

yeah, they are still there, exactly the same setup. just easier to get at now.

done exactly the same thing in the front now too. that one is truly a bastard to get the bolt in from underneath.

if this helps anyone?

On the OME 'L' series shocks for a LWB the Dobinsons springs that are 530mm rear and about 500mm front free height (4" I think they call them)
Work OK on mine and a couple of others.
Rears are N29L front are N19L (longer again fronts are N73 series)

front shock N19L open 555 to 322 closed
rear shock N29L open 716 to 426 closed
front shock N73L open 667 to 381 closed (tower spacer req.)
front shock N73 open 614 to 354 closed

Bazzle

hows the lift going . Finished yet ?

bagsy wrote:hows the lift going . Finished yet ?

well i dont think robbie is lifting any more, he is happy with the body lift and 34 Jts, dont know about marin