Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Secret Squirel wrote:My spotter, morocco m0le is great. He knows all my secrets and wont share them with anyone.

I think its madatory to have a good spotter.

I have to agree with SS on this one, m0les make the best spotters.

What was with the 80's and having moles as side kicks? :wink:

depends what sorta rig you're driving, if you're in a full tube buggy where u can easily see each wheel, i don't think there's much need for a spotter, though if your in a normal 4by, you can't see much at all, so a spotter is important

antt wrote:depends what sorta rig you're driving, if you're in a full tube buggy where u can easily see each wheel, i don't think there's much need for a spotter, though if your in a normal 4by, you can't see much at all, so a spotter is important

sometimes you still do need a spotter, weight on the strap, view from outside the vehicle, confidence boost, alternative opinion, push you harder!

Hay BJ, Bite me.

Cheezy4x4 wrote:Hay BJ, Bite me.

*BITE*

post up some pics, ya squirrel molester

BJ a crowd can do all those things

sometimes you still do need a spotter, weight on the strap, view from outside the vehicle, confidence boost, alternative opinion, push you harder!


But I believe that If you can drive very well you don't need a spoter as It's better to drive what you can
well my 50 bucks worth

OK BJ, this weekend I am starting to paint my junk so I will get some pics of it as the color flows. There is nothing sinister or even new on the scene. I am sticking with the KISS system, or maybe the BJ ( Keep it simple stupid) but nothing new.
350 stroked to 403 chev.
Turbo 400
Twin Nissan transfers with Marks gears.
Custom Nissan diffs ( for the moment, till the new diffs are ready).
Tube rear.
Glass panels.
Full cage.
BIG coil overs.
Wheel base adjustable from 105" to 111".
A frame rear and 4 link front.
TSL tires ( till the new ones turn up).


What more can I say.

Well I've seen quite a few Moab and other Yank 4x4 video's and they definitely need spotting for that type of terrain.
I've got a good one of Swartzy (20+ yrs experience) spotting Poojero's through the Rubicon, impressive stuff, very technical and necesary for bolder hopping.

I Dig spotting for poeple that listen ,and are in control of there pos.
For instance just muking around on the one obsticle for heaps just to see what there car can do and won't do without destroying it.Don't somuch like the time restriants of comps.
Once the terrian becomes a problem for the rig and driver then the spotter is the key.

I brought a vid this arvo Rockrawling championships at las cruz new mexico,
Don't panick Guts you didn't miss a comp ,mexico in the northern hemisphere.
I thought it was good had some good stuff in it ,john curries earlyer rig .and a mrk 1 sniper,mmmmmm.

Whilst at moab last year, we had one of the guys with us who was commonly known as "crazy charlie" and he knew his vehicle very well, and loved to just drive up to an obsticle, and over, without a spotter.

No spotter, watching Charlie, and riding with him on poison spider mesa on a night drive, showed me that with practice spotters arent always required, which then tells me that the driver is then becoming most important, after the car, as there is no need to be there in the first place without the vehicle.

But I think spotters should be a bit like winches, just bought out when they are needed, and be buddy and beer/bourbon passer the rest of the day.

Hi Darren, I am always hearing about Moab and slick rock and USA ect from numerous people, but I think we have some bad ass tracks here in OZ ( well QLD). I think If people came to LMP and saw what we drive at XRCC and hopfully other events you would see that compared to your last pic you posted of the cruiser on a step, that is what we drove to get to the start line at XRCC round 0.
Near the end of this year Im going to SEMA and will be staying in the US for a while to do some Wheeling so I can see for myself.

That step was nothing flash, just the entry, and the thing with tracks like Pritchett canyon, is one way in, one way out, a new obsticle every 30 ft, and a tough place to get a broken car out of. A good day in pritchett sees you if in at 10am, out by dark, and we were in at 11 and out by 3, and one of the guys there did it in less than 2 hrs whilst raining.

Charlie was one of those blokes who didnt stop, just drove up, and over something, and if you werent ready with the camera, he was parked at the top waiting for the next car. He had done the helldorado's and the hammers in that car, and drove it like it was a fitted glove.

Im sure you will be surprised to see what they do drive there, and how they drive it, compared to here.......chalk and cheezy perhaps???

Cheezy4x4 wrote:OK BJ, this weekend I am starting to paint my junk so I will get some pics of it as the color flows. There is nothing sinister or even new on the scene. I am sticking with the KISS system, or maybe the BJ ( Keep it simple stupid) but nothing new.
350 stroked to 403 chev.
Turbo 400
Twin Nissan transfers with Marks gears.
Custom Nissan diffs ( for the moment, till the new diffs are ready).
Tube rear.
Glass panels.
Full cage.
BIG coil overs.
Wheel base adjustable from 105" to 111".
A frame rear and 4 link front.
TSL tires ( till the new ones turn up).


What more can I say.

You've gone and ruined it for me now

theshedguy wrote:Whilst at moab last year, we had one of the guys with us who was commonly known as "crazy charlie" and he knew his vehicle very well, and loved to just drive up to an obsticle, and over, without a spotter.

No spotter, watching Charlie, and riding with him on poison spider mesa on a night drive, showed me that with practice spotters arent always required, which then tells me that the driver is then becoming most important, after the car, as there is no need to be there in the first place without the vehicle.

But I think spotters should be a bit like winches, just bought out when they are needed, and be buddy and beer/bourbon passer the rest of the day.

In a competition situation, you often don't have the luxury of driving the tracks time and time again, and knowing where the obstacles are! (I don't know where or wht you've competed in, but most of the comps, I have competed in I have never seen the track until 10 mins before the event. This makes it infinitely more difficult, to have an intimate knowledge of teh entire course!

i think that the spotter is the most important person because of that safety thing
bud

personally i would rather see all competitions run spotterless as it is just you and your rig against mother nature.
spotters just make it easier and so they make the tracks harder to allow for it.
In the GU i cant see the ground for about 11/12 metres which does make it a bit hard and chris then becomes my eyes when i get off line.
If i had to do these same comps spotterless i would have to think of getting a different vehicle or modify the floor or install video cameras etc.
If the comps were spotterless they might have to be a bit easier but the really good drivers would then stand out.

bj on roids wrote: In a competition situation, you often don't have the luxury of driving the tracks time and time again, and knowing where the obstacles are! (I don't know where or wht you've competed in, but most of the comps, I have competed in I have never seen the track until 10 mins before the event. This makes it infinitely more difficult, to have an intimate knowledge of the entire course!

Afew of the comps Ive done, you dont get to see the course, you just get to drive it, and make it up as you go along. Makes it much more interesting for the driver when you have to pick a line, while driving it against the stopwatch when youve never seen it before. Alot of the time I would not even view the course when we could, I like surprises... :wink:

Cheezy4x4 wrote:Hi Darren, I am always hearing about Moab and slick rock and USA ect from numerous people, but I think we have some bad ass tracks here in OZ ( well QLD). I think If people came to LMP and saw what we drive at XRCC and hopfully other events you would see that compared to your last pic you posted of the cruiser on a step, that is what we drove to get to the start line at XRCC round 0.
Near the end of this year Im going to SEMA and will be staying in the US for a while to do some Wheeling so I can see for myself.

CHEEZY,

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bj on roids wrote:This is one post away from chit chat

I am getting very soft lately

BUT HEY its true, cheezy has never posted any decent pics, he's too secret squirrelised

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