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johnsy86 wrote:I know of an MQ you could get plenty of NB pipe from.............people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.......
Thanks for an intelligent reply On the exo issues Steve.
Matt, Rob is a mate of mine he well and he understood what i was saying. It had nothing against him at all.MogLux wrote: Dave why would have ago at Rob...
As for all my dislikes at no point in my life have i ever cared about how much I was liked or disliked. I know where I stand and have no problem with it. The funny thing is I intentionally came into this thread just to ster you up. And it worked. My second intention was to get the likes of Pricey or Pete to comment and look what I did.MogLux wrote:We only dislike your smart ass no it all crap that dribbles from your mouth
pricey wrote:Ask anyone who has bent both pipe and proper cage material and they will tell you the proper tube is so much more difficult to bend with a manual bender than the pipe. Kinda gives you the answer right there.Shadow wrote:MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...
So exactly how much stronger is a cage built from ERW than a cage built from pipe?
evanstaniland wrote:pricey wrote:Ask anyone who has bent both pipe and proper cage material and they will tell you the proper tube is so much more difficult to bend with a manual bender than the pipe. Kinda gives you the answer right there.Shadow wrote:MogLux wrote: Unless you want to move to QLD as they still allow black pipe as cages...
So exactly how much stronger is a cage built from ERW than a cage built from pipe?
Hmmm I wouldn't say tube is harder to bend than NB pipe.... The hardest stuff I've bent was high mpa seamless 40nb.
Also seen Phil's new tube exo don't a lot easier than his old NB one.
That aside it's what the rules say. If you don't like don't compete, not that hard to digest!
pricey wrote:Its a little disappointing that (not in this thread but others ive read) people whine and complain regarding rollcage materials, that they cost too much etc when they are more than happy to fork out more for a set of alloy beadlocks or coilovers but not the safety aspect of the vehicle.
So let me get this straight...V.W.Dave wrote:Pricey,
A real question.
The likes of Dave Camps old rig being made of the correct material but to small. Micheal Sweeney rig being made of NB. Both of these cars are a few years old and very proven cars that both get entered into comps on a regular bases. Both have been rolled numerous times and both of them have never had any issues with cage strength. If you look at Sweeneys zook up close the main b-pillar and a-pillar look unmarked and in perfect condition.
For vehicles like these is there or will there be any kind of "grandfathering" or exception made seeing as they are proven cages?
Come on its got to look cool when you cruise thru coles!mkpatrol wrote:pricey wrote:Its a little disappointing that (not in this thread but others ive read) people whine and complain regarding rollcage materials, that they cost too much etc when they are more than happy to fork out more for a set of alloy beadlocks or coilovers but not the safety aspect of the vehicle.
Welcome to my world........
I've been in your world for a while mate. I've been saying this for a few years now.....mkpatrol wrote:pricey wrote:Its a little disappointing that (not in this thread but others ive read) people whine and complain regarding rollcage materials, that they cost too much etc when they are more than happy to fork out more for a set of alloy beadlocks or coilovers but not the safety aspect of the vehicle.
Welcome to my world........
We're working on it Charles. As you can imagine its a very involved process....turbo gu wrote:Come on its got to look cool when you cruise thru coles!mkpatrol wrote:pricey wrote:Its a little disappointing that (not in this thread but others ive read) people whine and complain regarding rollcage materials, that they cost too much etc when they are more than happy to fork out more for a set of alloy beadlocks or coilovers but not the safety aspect of the vehicle.
Welcome to my world........
Its in the rules of the governing body! If you dont like it go create your own comp/governing body etc!
That said I think the CCDA should have had a set of EXO cages drawings/rules by now!
Yeah I could imagin but CCDA has been involved with TT since 2005 and Toperi for a couple of years. Long time on their side to come up with rules.pricey wrote:We're working on it Charles. As you can imagine its a very involved process....turbo gu wrote:Come on its got to look cool when you cruise thru coles!mkpatrol wrote:pricey wrote:Its a little disappointing that (not in this thread but others ive read) people whine and complain regarding rollcage materials, that they cost too much etc when they are more than happy to fork out more for a set of alloy beadlocks or coilovers but not the safety aspect of the vehicle.
Welcome to my world........
Its in the rules of the governing body! If you dont like it go create your own comp/governing body etc!
That said I think the CCDA should have had a set of EXO cages drawings/rules by now!
Didn't this get off topic a bit, but i guess it shows how much we really need a better defined set of rules/ guide lines to follow.pricey wrote:Ah the stooge season has begun!
Good to see you back Tex, I love reading all your informative, well spelt and well punctuated posts that are full of valuable knowledge at this time of year. You never let us down, especially when TT is mentioned by someone.
Tex, in NSW comps tend to follow what we are aiming to achieve, which is a safer sport. Yes it's been frustrating for those who are trying to get a solid answer out of CCDA but we believe we are on the right track working with them to get some clarity with the cage rules. What is virtually impossible is to write a set of rules that applies equally to each make and model. All we are trying to do is improve on what we have and eliminate more grey areas. If you want to try cause shit and bag the fawk out of what we do then feel free, it's expected by now. At least we are out there trying to improve the safety and professionalism of the sport.
Brad we are in the process working with CCDA to get a set of drawings and specs for various styles of exo and truggy style cages to try eliminate grey areas of the rules as its well documented there are no specs/diagrams of an exo cage or Truggy build. Hopefully we have some news shortly.
At the end of the day all we are trying to do is ensure people are building better designed and safer vehicles. If we didn't care we would just say run whatever. The rules will never be perfect.
We will always have our critics, with you being without doubt #1 Tex, but at least we're out there doing something constructive and positive to the sport.
Did I say anything at all last year??? Not a f*#king thing on any forum. The only post I put up about it was one on Facebook with the picture of the OPW 40 that read V.W.Dave doesn't agree. Then 2 days later it was found that Camp won and all I posted was "WOW Hahahaha what a joke" nothing more. two and three years ago I did my fair share because some one needed to. Since then I got over it now I just like to ster the $#it out of you guys because it always gets a good reaction. If I pull one of your strings surely a second or third will pop up. You lot never disappoint.pricey wrote:So let me get this straight...V.W.Dave wrote:Pricey,
A real question.
The likes of Dave Camps old rig being made of the correct material but to small. Micheal Sweeney rig being made of NB. Both of these cars are a few years old and very proven cars that both get entered into comps on a regular bases. Both have been rolled numerous times and both of them have never had any issues with cage strength. If you look at Sweeneys zook up close the main b-pillar and a-pillar look unmarked and in perfect condition.
For vehicles like these is there or will there be any kind of "grandfathering" or exception made seeing as they are proven cages?
For a few years you have accused us of showing preferential treatment to certain teams, which has never happened and will never happen while Pete, Tony and myself are in charge, but now you are asking us to give preferential treatment to a mate of yours?
Are you for real?
Every now and then you come up with a valid criticism, but what you posted about Sweeny is laughable.V.W.Dave wrote:Did I say anything at all last year??? Not a f*#king thing on any forum. The only post I put up about it was one on Facebook with the picture of the OPW 40 that read V.W.Dave doesn't agree. Then 2 days later it was found that Camp won and all I posted was "WOW Hahahaha what a joke" nothing more. two and three years ago I did my fair share because some one needed to. Since then I got over it now I just like to ster the $#it out of you guys because it always gets a good reaction. If I pull one of your strings surely a second or third will pop up. You lot never disappoint.pricey wrote:So let me get this straight...V.W.Dave wrote:Pricey,
A real question.
The likes of Dave Camps old rig being made of the correct material but to small. Micheal Sweeney rig being made of NB. Both of these cars are a few years old and very proven cars that both get entered into comps on a regular bases. Both have been rolled numerous times and both of them have never had any issues with cage strength. If you look at Sweeneys zook up close the main b-pillar and a-pillar look unmarked and in perfect condition.
For vehicles like these is there or will there be any kind of "grandfathering" or exception made seeing as they are proven cages?
For a few years you have accused us of showing preferential treatment to certain teams, which has never happened and will never happen while Pete, Tony and myself are in charge, but now you are asking us to give preferential treatment to a mate of yours?
Are you for real?
I am not asking you to do anything other then answer a question... It was just a simple question not prompted by anyone just a question for my own knowledge. I was just asking to ask.
[/quote] Trust me, we are trying. All I can say is we have been trying for a few years now...... It does get very frustrating and tiring but we believe there is light at the end of the tunnel.[/quote]pricey wrote:[quote="brad 93hiluxDidn't this get off topic a bit, but i guess it shows how much we really need a better defined set of rules/ guide lines to follow.
Where do I apply for dem padded courses?pricey wrote:Campys old rig (now Ethan's) has been re-caged.
break ups on the Interweb are nasty!!! Grrrr!pricey wrote:Oh and Tex, this is the last time I waste my time replying to your shit.
I like it better as Ster it fits what I do and kind of fits my accent.pricey wrote:What a sad and pathetic life you have if all you want to do around this time is "ster" (it's actually stir) the shit out of us.