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TJM generaly dont sell ARB Lockers. So why would they tell you to go buy an Air Locker.

A holden dealer wont tell you to buy a Ford even if he beleives the ford is better.

Liam wrote:We sell both Lock right and Airlockers. Pro's and cons to both. Come in and we'll sort it.

There are Pros and Cons to everything but which is the BETTER locker?

I can't see a situation that a lockright would be better than an Airlocker. But i see lots of situation and reasons an Airlocker is better than a Lockright.

RUFF wrote:A holden dealer wont tell you to buy a Ford even if he beleives the ford is better.

This is so true because we all know fords are better then holdens but they are still selling the POS holdens




Go the airlock, way better then detriots which are way better then lockrites.
Lockrites only had to your standard centre where as detriots and air locks replace the whole carrier and makes the centre alot stronger as well as adding the locked diff.

Go the airlocks.
I had a Detroit in the front of the Jabber (ARB rear) it transformed the thing offroad but how I wished for a front airlocker on muddy side slopes.

Air lockers the only way to go
Nothin like having the best of both worlds

#Tiny wrote:4 oeoples voted for lockrite....please tell me why, no explinations or reasons FOR lockrite have been posted

Well it's now up to 7 I would say these people have no idea and look at price alone. You can't beat the ARB... yeah it cost more bling but it's worth every penny... same can't be said about autos though

Cossie wrote:Am I missing something here?

you went to TJM (surely ARB's main rival?) and asked them if they would recommend/do you a good deal on an ARB air locker?


also I dont think $310 to fit an air locker (plus $140 to fit the compressor) is even an issue - its not worth getting your hands dirty for!

Didn't ask them to recomend, just give me a price as I get a heap of stuff off them. they are a TJM outlett I don't beleive they are owned by TJM....someone correct me if I am wrong!!!

and $310 is worth getting my hands dirty for....goes towards the next set of tyres or whatever

tiny

Just spoke to the guy concerned.
You asked for a price for both and got it....when you said cost was an issue and wanted to do it cheaply then the Lock Right comes out on top.

He can sell either and has no particular alleigence to either brand- just trying to do the best thing for you based on what you've told him.

As far as one being superior to the other- it depends on the vehicle, the application and the budget.
Yes you can switch a air locker off- but under pressure they don't always unlock ( having trouble with this in my car now) theres also a major difference in cost, complexity and reliability. GQ's and GU's I've driven with them in have been very well behaved and performed quite well. You don't have a compressor to kill or air lines to destroy. Combined with a nissan LSD they've been very good. Remember too, if you air locker the rear, you're back to an open centre until it's switched on, not always so great.
I've got double air lockers now and love them, but had double Lock Rights previously and loved them for different reasons.( auto lockers both ends and serious side rails ment it was just point and shoot- no thought required, and the only sheer pins I broke were when playing silly buggers. I'd rather replace a pin than an axle)

Liam wrote:Just spoke to the guy concerned.
You asked for a price for both and got it....when you said cost was an issue and wanted to do it cheaply then the Lock Right comes out on top.

He can sell either and has no particular alleigence to either brand- just trying to do the best thing for you based on what you've told him.

As far as one being superior to the other- it depends on the vehicle, the application and the budget.
Yes you can switch a air locker off- but under pressure they don't always unlock ( having trouble with this in my car now) theres also a major difference in cost, complexity and reliability. GQ's and GU's I've driven with them in have been very well behaved and performed quite well. You don't have a compressor to kill or air lines to destroy. Combined with a nissan LSD they've been very good. Remember too, if you air locker the rear, you're back to an open centre until it's switched on, not always so great.
I've got double air lockers now and love them, but had double Lock Rights previously and loved them for different reasons.( auto lockers both ends and serious side rails ment it was just point and shoot- no thought required, and the only sheer pins I broke were when playing silly buggers. I'd rather replace a pin than an axle)

Sorry, but I went in and askes for price on lockers, didn't ask ask what type....he asked and i said arb air.

After finding a price on them, and not been able to tell me price on switches without the comp, he tried to tell me that i should get lockrite front leave the rear open and that was what everyone was doing now hence the question.

I don't mean to be rude, but as a customer I had a negative experience there and will prolly not go back.....I have bought all my recovery gear, comp and so forth from there ( I work in Blacktown) and have had a reasonable experience in the past, but when there is plenty other people out there who want my bussiness, one crap experience is enough to turn me away.

I call a spade a spade...thats where it stands

Tiny

Ps at some stage he asked when I was going to get them, and I siad when I can get the funds together....

Liam wrote:

TJM in Blacktown!!! Shoulda gone to BBM next door stright away....in saying that, TJM own BBM

No they don't!

I don't believe you could import a patrol lockright from the states anyway. Hell they don't have patrols

We import them all the time, and ones for OKA's and other non USA spec diffs.

We sell both Lock right and Airlockers. Pro's and cons to both. Come in and we'll sort it.

err don't OKA's run Dana 60 or 70's ..

err don't OKA's run Dana 60 or 70's ..

Yes they're 70's, but a different spline count and profile. The locker for then isn't used in any normal US application.

i voted lockright based on the financial side of things... i am young and therefore after all my pissing my money against the wall on booze and hoes, im usually broke. so for me to buy a lockright from the states, with the conversion cost, import duty, shipping etc will cost under $400, plus about $100 fitting from a mate, that totals to $500 if im not mistaken. last time i checked with ARB southside (ripoff merchants) they quoted me just under $2K for one. So for me, this is a simple answer.

$500 versus $1950... you tell me which is the better locker

De-lux wrote:$500 versus $1950... you tell me which is the better locker

The $1950 one...

I've got a foot in both camps - I have an ARB in the rear diff & a lock right in the front......
the lcokright does ahve a few minor drawbacks - but so does the ARB. Personally I;d probably go with the ARB's IF i was keeping my diffs - BUT I never planned to keep my front Dana 30 and therefore wanted to spend as little as possible on it.....surprisingly it's held up MUCH longer than I expected.....

Busiboy wrote:Sounds like he has a crate of lockrights to unload

Seems to be a strange combo he suggested, lockright front and open rear

maybe try a different shop, maybe one that actually races themselves.

I have a tight LSD in the front and are wrapped in it, steering is still good and I have no CV worries, I thought my rear LSD was tight till I put the front in, now there is a huge increase in performance with the rear ARB.

The standard rear Nissan LSD works very well even after 350,000km. After putting a ARB in the rear, I'm a bit disappointed how much capability I have lost without it locked.

I had a Lockrite in the front of my Landrover, never again, they are dangerous without power steer. A detroit works much smoother but are also rare & pricey.

De-lux wrote:i voted lockright based on the financial side of things... i am young and therefore after all my pissing my money against the wall on booze and hoes, im usually broke. so for me to buy a lockright from the states, with the conversion cost, import duty, shipping etc will cost under $400, plus about $100 fitting from a mate, that totals to $500 if im not mistaken. last time i checked with ARB southside (ripoff merchants) they quoted me just under $2K for one. So for me, this is a simple answer.

$500 versus $1950... you tell me which is the better locker

You can get then cheaper, locker only, around $1200, you can run them off a $10 K-mart compressor pumping up an old 2 kg gas cylinder.

De-lux wrote:$500 versus $1950... you tell me which is the better locker

ARB

De-lux wrote: last time i checked with ARB southside (ripoff merchants) they quoted me just under $2K for one. So for me, this is a simple answer.

$500 versus $1950... you tell me which is the better locker

Thats really expensive. The guys up here at ARB Townsville sold me a pair of Air Lockers for $2250. That's for both. I didn't get them to fit them cause I wasn't sure if I would change the R/P gears.

$$$ aside Ive run with both types AND removed LOckrites and replaced with Airlockers for reasons stated above.
Also Airlocker is a solid 4 pinion centre in 99.9% of cases. Lockrite uses your open case sometimes 2 pinion centre in a lot of instances. You get what you pay for. Save the pennies longer and you wont be dissapointed.

Sometimes good things are worth waiting for.

Bazzle

See what the experts have to say and then make a judgement.

Based on what I read here, I will be installing a lokka. Not just because they are so so so much cheaper than an air locker either.

http://www.pps.net.au/4wdencounter/arti ... locks.html

I have air lockers in the frony and back and found out that they are the best becuase you can unlock them when needed.

I was flush up pointing downwards into a bank and could only reverse back wards to turn my wheels. The front and rear was locked and I tried to reverse back wards and the truck would only crab walk left and got me into a worse situation. So I unlocked the front locker and tried to reverse again without any dramas at all. If I had a lockrite in the front I would have not been able to get out of that situation and would have had to DNF that stage.

If money is a problem put a lockrite in the back and save for an air locker for the front.

If not put an air locker in the front and back because you can leave it locked all day when out in the bush.

LudaCris

I put a lokka in the front of my HJ60 but I would have purchased an airlocker if i had more cash to blow.

I have on a number of occasions wished I had an airlocker due to difficulty turning the wheel, usually when exiting creeks.

I would definatly not put one in the front of a toy/comp vechicle ever.

But for my daily driver family wagon that usually only sees a few extreme tracks, I am very happy with the lokka.

Had a detroit in the front of my GQ SWB, made the steering dangerous, back off at speed and it would swerve accross the road. Definately ARB. I sold the whole front centre and detroit for $450 (kicking myself now, could have got more) and installed an open front. Best thing i have done to my car, it is now drivable off road. Am saving up for ARB. I would prefer open centre to lockright or any auto locker.

I think its a $$$ thing.............

Air lockers are heaps more expensive then a lockrite.
I am waiting on my lockrite to arrive from the states, cost me $320 Aus to buy brand new.

So with fitting etc its $1000 cheaper then an ARB. you get what you pay for i know, but i cant pay the extra.

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:I think its a $$$ thing.............

Air lockers are heaps more expensive then a lockrite.
I am waiting on my lockrite to arrive from the states, cost me $320 Aus to buy brand new.

So with fitting etc its $1000 cheaper then an ARB. you get what you pay for i know, but i cant pay the extra.

Maybe for hilux's and other 'yota's, but for a GQ there isn't that much difference. The prices from TJM (LockRite) and Opposite Lock (Detroit) were both over $1000.

There's not that much difference. Even with the compressor, its worth saving for another month or three rather than rushing in a buying an automatic diff lock. The first time you either blow a CV, can't steer on rocks or it self steers going up a hill or sand, you regret buying it!!


Regards

Does anyone on this board use the detroit electrac...? i know its only available for dana's.. there is a bloke on the surf forum that uses it. Very interesting setup! In "unlocked" mode it is the detroit true-trac LSD... when u lock it its fully locked...

auto or air ???

TJM or Big Balls??

are you for real ? the shops are about 25 meters apart.
surely you would at least go and have a look and compare prices. If you want to buy a fridge go to TJM but it you want comp/hardcore gear go to BBM..
Wish i had a shop like that in my town.

I may be wrong ? I read somewhere,that lockrite don't recommend using their lockers with 33 & over tyres as the tyres over power the rachet/clutch mechanism in the locker? I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm talking s@#t .

A mate of mine has a lockrite in the front of his troopy and sometimes he has to put it in 2wd to get round sharp corners in the bush..