Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Have you tried to use the online store - you are a patient man Pete ......my god it is slow, and I sit on a 1Gb link to the internet via AArnet 3.
Also, when I enquired about buying somthing over the phone after giving up on the web site, I got the most disinterested salesperson in existance. I don't know if their products are good or bad because I was not able to actually buy anything from them - It looks good though if you wait long enough.
I checked the website again just now and its still reallllly slow, any else have this problem??

Bad JuJu wrote:Have you tried to use the online store - you are a patient man Pete ......my god it is slow, and I sit on a 1Gb link to the internet via AArnet 3.
Also, when I enquired about buying somthing over the phone after giving up on the web site, I got the most disinterested salesperson in existance. I don't know if their products are good or bad because I was not able to actually buy anything from them - It looks good though if you wait long enough.
I checked the website again just now and its still reallllly slow, any else have this problem??

Yes it is slow for some reason, it is not usualy slow at all.
I have the high steer knuckle on my zook and I am way impressed with it, it took a long time to be supplied however, (Ryan quoted casting and machining delays) once I had it delivered it was a snap to install, and is as good as the stock steering.
I know I will get a bit of a flame job here but I have never seen (with the exception of the high steer knukle) an elegant solution to the Zlink problem,
arms mounted to the top of the king pins is just plain scary, and the disk caliper mount was never designed for lateral forces only rotational, and while I am sure it is beefy, any time I was to put my kids in the car I would have an element of doubt as to whether or not it was going to break!.
but at the end of the day I supose if it works for you and you are happy, good on you.
Peter.

The new knuckle is a nice solution, but the price tag is not. I know someone over here in NZ that has ordered one for around $1k, and he still hasn't got it yet. I like the $40 solution myself - call me a tightarse if you like

The caliper mount does take a torsional loading during braking due to the fact that the brake caliper is mounted on one side of the disk. Granted the steering forces will increase this load, but a disk mounting must be designed to take torsional loading.
I understand the concern though, steering isn't something that should be taken for granted.

Ben

droopypete wrote:

AcmeAdapters wrote:
It does not matter what kind of aftermarket hi steer system you use, none of them retain the stock ackerman principles.

What about this option?

Read the link that Ben so kindly posted

http://www.rctek.com/handling/ackerman_ ... ciple.html

Then have a good look at the picture you posted.

This histeer is pretty much the same as the MBZ arms and screws up the Ackerman angles.

Jeff is 100% saying NO aftermarket kit will keep the ackerman.

Changing your wheelbase even screws up this angle but does anyone ask about it when this question pops up?

Bazooka wrote:

droopypete wrote:

AcmeAdapters wrote:
It does not matter what kind of aftermarket hi steer system you use, none of them retain the stock ackerman principles.

What about this option?

Read the link that Ben so kindly posted

http://www.rctek.com/handling/ackerman_ ... ciple.html

Then have a good look at the picture you posted.

This histeer is pretty much the same as the MBZ arms and screws up the Ackerman angles.

Jeff is 100% saying NO aftermarket kit will keep the ackerman.

Changing your wheelbase even screws up this angle but does anyone ask about it when this question pops up?

I had read the page Ben posted (great tech by the way), my point is that the knuckle just elevates the rod end on the vertical plane it doesn't move it on the horisontal, so I can't see how the stock Suzuki steering geometry (corect or not) can change, unless I am missing something.

Also I was under the impression that the M/B arm relocated the rod end big time, but as I had one in the shed, I went to my diff rack and sized it up, it is a lot better fit than I first thought, and you are right about the closeness of the bolt pattern it would only take a small elongation of the hole for a perfect fit.
Peter.

The new knuckle does keep the correct ackerman as it only moves the tie rod up. The drag link is still in the stock position and it is this link which generates the ackerman effect.
If you used a pair of new knuckles it would change.

Ben

D'oh, Sorry my mistake I didnt see the lower tie rod.

Yes this is as I explained earlier that if you just use one MBZ arm to achieve the same thing it would keep the tie rod in the same location. This however this is cross over steering and not full hi-steer as I was refering too.

ineed this

AcmeAdapters:
do you sell just the arms? (without the new draglink/tie rod)