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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:17 pm
by christover1
ol won't let me upload any more, will try again another time, if needed
christover

Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:19 pm
by ljxtreem
:D :D

Yep im the butcher :D
there is a chassis extension, but it is part of the bar, we also moved the front spring mount up, and used longer shackles, which took up some spring length, we also moved the rear mount of the front spring back.
For a car with wide track spring width, it had some narley flex :twisted:
If I did it again I would set the springs into the chassis, less stuff to hook up on and would drop the buggy leaf, cuz it way lacked roll stiffness on steep climbs.

Mock :D

Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:30 pm
by -Mick-
hey mock I'd like to ask you some q's about it later if you don't mind :)

I'll pm you tomorrow cause it sleep time for now :lol:

Also christover email me all the pics and I'll host em. Hope this helps Alien out too its not meant to be a highjack :lol: sorry :oops:

Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:32 pm
by ljxtreem
Pics













Mock :D

Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:35 pm
by ljxtreem
-Mick- wrote:hey mock I'd like to ask you some q's about it later if you don't mind :)

I'll pm you tomorrow cause it sleep time for now :lol:

Also christover email me all the pics and I'll host em. Hope this helps Alien out too its not meant to be a highjack :lol: sorry :oops:


Cool :cool:

Mock

Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 9:53 pm
by christover1
-Mick- wrote:Also christover email me all the pics and I'll host em.


OK, done, but appears Mock has put some of them up already :)

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:49 am
by alien
so what is the verdict on the spring rate of the hilux springs??? how many leaves should i run and which ones do i remove so its a little more suited to zuk weight rather than lux weight... im thinking stiff springs are going to be my issue here?

on and im not going 3/4 elliptical =P hehe just front lux springs all round spua. down the track, lux diffs spoa will go under =D

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 8:40 am
by ljxtreem
take em down to 3 leavs, and they are super soft

Mock :D

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:53 am
by alien
so keep the top 3 leaves and ditch the rest?

Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 12:07 pm
by ljxtreem
I think :?
It may take a bit of playing around.

Mock :D

Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:21 pm
by small talk
This is all great info guys very interesting, unbulievable flex outta that zook. Can anyone verify the length increase in sierra rears to hilux rears?? i want the rear diff to move back 200mm to use a front drive shaft in the rear, will the springs give me anywhere near enough movement?? or will i just have to go custom shaft in the rear?? just wanted it to be a simple bolt up job with the tailshaft. My thoughts are run hilux rears in the rear, rears up front. Any help will be apreciated.

thanks alot.
small talk.

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:16 am
by Guy
with my lil bro's Zuk I am thinking that I would like to set it up with hilux fronts out back and sierra rears out front .. spring under .. for now :)


Lop off the old hangers at the back and extend the chassis a bit up front (perhaps redrill the spring pad to keep the front diff basically in standard position perhaps only 30mm or so forward .. instead of the full 50 or 60 mm that rear up front normally creates)

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:28 am
by Gwagensteve
I understand that ruf movles the axle forward 40mm.

Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:15 pm
by alien
Hilux fronts are 120mm longer than zuk rears... im putinng lux fronts all round to get equal articulation all the way round... no point having a shorter spring up front if you can avoid it =)

we will be moving the rear diff back slightly and front forward slightly...

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:44 am
by redzook
alien wrote:Hilux fronts are 120mm longer than zuk rears... im putinng lux fronts all round to get equal articulation all the way round... no point having a shorter spring up front if you can avoid it =)

we will be moving the rear diff back slightly and front forward slightly...
your front will flex more as they are more inboard on the chassis

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:59 am
by alien
nar the fronts are staying as is, but the rears are moving inboard almost in line with fronts to correct that =)

still not 100% sure on the fuel tank, will burn that bridge when we get to it.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:43 pm
by bubs
even still you wont get 50/50 flex

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:54 pm
by grimbo
bubs wrote:even still you wont get 50/50 flex
why do you say that.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:04 pm
by bubs
if you were to use the same style spring, in this case stock hilux front, after owning as many hiluxs as I have you will never get two the same

different weights over front and rear axles

and its simply my opinion :P

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:15 pm
by Guy
Gwagensteve wrote:I understand that ruf movles the axle forward 40mm.
Cool .. been a while since I did it ... or even actually cared exactly how far it was .. so long as tyres dont rub firewalls .. ;) perhaps 20mm then.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:32 pm
by ljxtreem
alien wrote:nar the fronts are staying as is, but the rears are moving inboard almost in line with fronts to correct that =)

still not 100% sure on the fuel tank, will burn that bridge when we get to it.
You may get 50/50, But that is not so good, you will lose all roll stiffness in the rear, then when you climb, it will just pick up and drop on its side.

Mock

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:33 pm
by small talk
I dont mean to hijack but can anyone tell me how much longer hilux rears are than zook rears, would there be anychance a springs would move the rear diff back around 200mm?? so its simplly bolt up a front shaft, the reason being is if i "booty fab" as you call it up a shaft it wont be balanced?? Has anyone does this before??

small talk.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:35 pm
by bubs
the toy rears are 3" longer, but the centre pin is 2" further forward than a hilux front

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:55 pm
by small talk
So what your saying is no bloody way it would move it back 8ins, i thort not, im thinking of running hilux fronts in the rear and rears up front and it looks like booty fabing up a tail shaft is in. anyone done this or knows of a place that does??

small talk.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:59 pm
by sierrajim
Smalltalk,

Just go coils and be done with it.

Re running hilux fronts in the rear, these would have to be about the same length as sierra rears wouldn't they? You may as well just use Hilux rears.

I also think that Josh's old car (the white one pictured) used IFS rears all round which are longer than solid axle rears.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:01 pm
by redzook
small talk wrote:So what your saying is no bloody way it would move it back 8ins, i thort not, im thinking of running hilux fronts in the rear and rears up front and it looks like booty fabing up a tail shaft is in. anyone done this or knows of a place that does??

small talk.
if u run hilux rears backwards (long half forward)
u should be able to move it back 7.5 inch or so

just goin off memory

zuk rears 40" center pin 20"
toy rears 48" center pin 20.5?

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:03 pm
by redzook
sierrajim wrote:Smalltalk,

Just go coils and be done with it.

Re running hilux fronts in the rear, these would have to be about the same length as sierra rears wouldn't they? You may as well just use Hilux rears.

I also think that Josh's old car (the white one pictured) used IFS rears all round which are longer than solid axle rears.
toy front are 5 inch longer then zuk rears 45" Vs 40"

IFS rears 51" i think

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:39 pm
by small talk
Thanks alot for the spring measurements Redzook, running the hilux rear backward should be enough to just just run a front shaft in the rear which might work, and it'll be super flex and have a huge Wheelbase. what do you all think about RUF hilux rears backward in the rear?? And about the coil conversion ive got all i need at my disposal, coils, link material, father who is a sh*t hot welder but its less likely to be noticed. bit sus having leaf front coil rear and trying to pass that of as stock. :D

small talk.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:25 pm
by sierrajim
Smalltalk,

Have you taken a good look at your car lately? it looks to be far from "stock".

With the rear lux leaves in backwards you may need to re do your axle pearches, no great stress in doing this but you will need to take it into account.

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:02 pm
by small talk
Yes you got me not so stock, thanks for the heads up hopefully picking up the lux springs tomorow arvo and ill do the measure up and calculations and see how i go, anyone know what sort of shocks will be needed for the amount of flex?? Rancho 9000s?? will lux rears 3 leaf packs be soft?? and will they need a wrap bar?? anyone know if it'll be needed??

small talk.