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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:30 pm
by dumbdunce
HSV Rangie wrote:again
that's a mcnamara, is that also what TJM is selling? (pretty sure that is what the other guy that copped a beating is/was selling).
$1200 is not cheap enough to compete with ARB.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:34 pm
by RoldIT
-Mick- wrote:saw one at a stand at land cruiser last w'end but I've never seen the guts of an arb so can't compare
I have the flyer for it which I'll scan and post later if anyone's interested
Yep, bring it awn!
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:13 pm
by -Mick-
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:21 pm
by bru55el
guy at the brissie show told me that rather than air pressure to acuate the locker like the ARB, the TJM uses vacumn to actuate. According to him therefore the diff is not pressurised cutting the possibility of blowing seals out.
Just what he told me when i asked about it
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:37 pm
by chunderlicious
[quote] guy at the brissie show told me that rather than air pressure to acuate the locker like the ARB, the TJM uses vacumn to actuate. According to him therefore the diff is not pressurised cutting the possibility of blowing seals out.
Just what he told me when i asked about it
Kym Bolton also told my friends and i that it is stronger because it uses a single plate instead of multiple plates and that they are releasing it in stages starting with toyota then soon it will be nissan etc.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 5:47 pm
by Tooheys
dont know if this helps but i spoke to the TJM guy at LCMP on the weekend about it and he said that TJM bought out Mcnamara, so basically its the same with some refinements and from what i understood from him to lock it all up there is 4 dowels and 8 holes for the dowels to lock into. He seemed to think they were better then arb's for the reasons mentioned before about o'rings and the like........but for the money id rather buy an arb till they are proven reliable
Tooheys
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:52 pm
by grazza
Lets hope a pricing war will reduce the price to a percent of the cost to produce, not "what the market will bear" as we have had to put up with.
While it would be good if these are produced in Australia I imagine the chinese could churn them out pretty cheap and still maintain the quality. I hear Boeing are going to be building planes there soon...
Also, if TJM can do it I am sure others can too...
We should all be able to afford a decent locker....
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 6:55 pm
by GRIMACE
TJM BOUGHT OUT MCNAMARA
These look interesting and good to see sum variety in selectable lockers becoming more readily available
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:16 pm
by bigbluemav
stu wrote:The story i heard is that either TJM was bought out by another company that ownes a few machine shops down south. Or TJM now owns a copupe of machine shops down south. Either way these shops have repared a few ARB's in their time and figured that they can build a better locker that would avoid all the problems that tey've had to repair in the past.
Apparently Kym Boltons GU has them.....well his rig was painted in the TJM colours and he's supporting the pro locker logos.
They will only do the most recent popular 4WD's because they figure only small demands.
Either way a pit of compitition may reduce the prive of either!!!
that what ive heard from one of the folks at the tjm store, could of just been sales pitch.
When I was at the show, I spoke to the guy at the TJM stand and Bolton's car still has ARB items as they haven't made any for Nissans yet.
It'll be good to have a competitor for ARB.....could be price fight soon....maybe....
Regards
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:32 pm
by rocknferoza
Would be good if they started making lockers for the less common 4WD's
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 8:04 pm
by landy_man
Tooheys wrote:dont know if this helps but i spoke to the TJM guy at LCMP on the weekend about it and he said that TJM bought out Mcnamara,
sounds interesting... highly unlikely, but interesting... i actually called JACMAC today to enquire about some bits and have to call back tomorrow...
will ask jeff tomorrow if this is true or not
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:08 pm
by ozrunner
If the pic above is a Mcnamara then thats what they are selling as there's a very small blurb about it in the latest 4x4 with this same pic.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:07 pm
by SAWZALL
dumbdunce wrote:
$1200 is not cheap enough to compete with ARB.
Agreed....
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:13 pm
by Tooheys
oops i meant that they bought the patents and tooling for the locker not bought them out completely and that pic is what i saw on display at LCMP Expo
Tooheys
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:39 pm
by vompie69
You are right, Kim Boltons truck is still running the ARB locker, as the Pro Locker is not yet released for Nissans. I work for TJM and they told us the release date starting with Toyotas will be June
tjm
Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:43 pm
by Webbie
Its good to see another air locker on the market but better to see that they are both Aussie designed and built. OI, OI, OI .As for paying $1200 for a locker
i got mine for $925 new RD23 from Duncan at MACQUARIE.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 8:28 am
by stu
i bought my air locker through a diff specalist for his trade price plus his 10% surcharge.....still came to a fraction over a K.
might do that in the future for the front ARB.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 5:26 pm
by DaveS3
SAWZALL wrote:dumbdunce wrote:
$1200 is not cheap enough to compete with ARB.
Agreed....
But it is a better product if it is the JM one.
Arn't ARB's about $1200 retail anyway?
Dave.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 7:27 pm
by RUFF
Tooheys wrote:oops i meant that they bought the patents and tooling for the locker not bought them out completely and that pic is what i saw on display at LCMP Expo
Tooheys
The only thing TJM has bought from Macnamara is the Locker. JacMac make these for TJM.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 10:39 pm
by YankeeDave
arb's are pretty bloody strong, I've never meet anyone whos broken one, in fact after visiting arb on a supplier tour I was privy to a test scenero where every manufacturers axels broke before the locker did.
I love my arb air locker and will always trust it to out last my axles.
but bring on the competition, i'm all for cheaper prices.
Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 11:48 pm
by rocknferoza
Not 100% sure but I think someone broke an air locker at WEROCK
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 9:08 am
by HSV Rangie
You wont be breaking the JM locker.
IMO its a better locker.
Michael.
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:57 am
by RoldIT
If these are the JM lockers, I fuggen want one!
I've been very disappointed they didn't make one for a patrol for a number of years now so maybe my patience has paid off!
"I'd like to place an order for 1 front one to suit a GU ... please ... anyone listening?!?!" 
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 10:59 am
by Tiny
Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 6:32 pm
by RUFF
rocknferoza wrote:Not 100% sure but I think someone broke an air locker at WEROCK
No it was an Install Problem.
I run ARB lockers and have done for years. and have been harder on them then most people ever will. I broke an early one years ago and this was because i engaged it while a wheel was Spinning. ARB still re[placed it under warranty. I have never had a seal problem with my ARBs. And i have used the same centres and seals in about 10 diff centres now. If you have had problems with the seals its either an instalation problem or you have had oil contamination.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:28 am
by grimbo
I was one of the guys prototesting the ARB lockers for the Sierras years ago. Our brief was to try and bust them. Couldn't then and still haven't after 8 or so years. Tried and tested I reckon they are great value for money
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:40 am
by turps
I broke an early model 4 bolt one. Wasnt even giving it a hard time. New ones been there for 4yrs and no problems. Think the new one has 8bolts to hold it all together.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 1:02 pm
by 80UTE
Ive had ARB lockers for about 20 years now ( early days it was the billet steel ones made by Roberts ) that ARB brought the design off and in the 4 different 4B's ive had there only been one leak and that was me pinching the O-ring i would never concider anything else especially a locker mechanism that uses pins and holes. For the same price as the ARB unit there got there work cut out for them selves.
Wally
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:57 pm
by Surfin Alec
I guy off the Surf site broke his front ARB locker in a Surf. Saw a picture of it and the locker has actually broken in two, (as well as the ring gear etc). Was about 2 yrs old.
Pics and detail:
http://www.toyotasurf.asn.au/forum/view ... highlight=
Alec
Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 10:25 pm
by Slunnie
If the TJM one is the JacMac locker, then I would be buying that one over the ARB locker. These are the go, and they are air pressure operated, not vacuum. These lockers have been around for ages in the LandRovers, and in my opinion are better than the Maxidrives also. Its just that JacMac the company are really hard to deal with depending on who you get on the phone.
I like them over the ARB due to the actuator mechanism, and over the Maxi as there is one pipe in only and the maxi have an external actuator. They're all strong though.
