Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Just spent a long time on The RTA website looking through pages and pages of bulletins on engineering. There is no mention of this new standard

i have a 2002 gu patrol with 6 inch spring lift a 2 inch body lift and 35s. does this mean i am now screwed?

mud gu wrote:i have a 2002 gu patrol with 6 inch spring lift a 2 inch body lift and 35s. does this mean i am now screwed?

is it engineered already? if not, attempt to get it done

its not engineered but its also my work truck so i could be really screwed.

a mate got his gq engineered with 8 inch springs 3 inch body lift and his 38s on might have to see that engineer.

mud gu wrote: and his 38s on might have to see that engineer.

which 38's? Cant really think of many road legal ones..

I've just been told no chance with JT2's due to bias construction, and these do have speed and weight ratings.

yeah well i gotta get mynn back on the road before i can get it engineered

Monty wrote:Just spent a long time on The RTA website looking through pages and pages of bulletins on engineering. There is no mention of this new standard

Probably because the "new" bulletin is yet to be released

Hmm hopefully this lift law will not effect us with the funbags
But more hopefully they will limit it to suspension and body lifts

Slunnie wrote:I've just been told no chance with JT2's due to bias construction, and these do have speed and weight ratings.

Slunnie is that under existing rules or these new rules?

As far as I'm aware thats under the current rules. This is what Mannells have just told me.

This Only affects NSW

bruiser wrote:This Only affects NSW

Yes, and bias ply have never been legal in NSW guys, doesn't meen people don't run em, and this will not stop it either.......kind of funny that so many people with big rigs that are not engineered that I have been speaking to latley are so woried about it, they have being running big mods for a few years wioth no engineersw, and for some reason they are woried now I will not fit my gear with out engineers, I will supply and its up to you (with disclaimer of being offroad kit) but if you want fittment than engineers is a must

so i would need a cert if i was to get a 2" suspension lift with a 1" increase in tyre size as the total lift is greater than 2"?

Bentzook wrote:So, on my zook, fitted with air springs, I have no bodi-lift, but can have 0" to 12" air lift in 10 seconds. I put the air springs in for the limo comfort, but at any time could raise it 1 foot. So in reality the vehicle has been lowered, showing no suspension lift at all.

Depending what tyres I want to run, I could slam the chassis onto the ground

u do need it engineered, but u can buy a valve, that when the car is drivin, it sits at a normal ride height, and can't be adjusted,

then bypass it, after rego, engineering and shit like that

why even bothered getting it engineered, if you are just going to remove the bits that get it passed, i dont see the point, why not just register it then do you mods

The only reason i will get mine engineered is cause i want to be able to drive it around on the road

Alright, well I'm now booked in for a cert on Sat morning.

i spoke to a well known enginneer today, and has advised this is all a massive roumour that has been started, we will have to wait and see............................

ozy1 wrote:i spoke to a well known enginneer today, and has advised this is all a massive roumour that has been started, we will have to wait and see............................

i really hope so

havnt got money for engineers

niether do i yet
but the car wont move till i have it

I don't really see a problem with these changes. For those with vehicles that are not currently engineered they still have to run the same risks. If i had hit someone in my old 4runner (not engineered) and killed them, i'd be up for manslaughter. That is the risk that you run, regardless of the changes.

I can see that on the competition scene we are going to have larger numbers of newer, stock vehicles competing whilst the more modified classes will comprise largely of your older trucks. Even with the max lift rules being imposed, you'll still be able to build capable trucks.

Like with all rules, they will be able to be bent and manipulated. An example of this is the mogrover. With exception of some modifications, it has minimal lift yet is pushing the limits in the hardest comps in australia.

I wonder what the rulings will be on chassis modification such as dropped hangers and shortening?

Joel

I think dropped hangers would definately be a part of lift no matter how you look at it. And surely chassis chopping is fine if braced correctly.


I have to get engineered for rego anyway, the last step......AHHHHHHH.



So I'll be calling an engineer tomorrow and booking whether these rules are rumour or truthful. Either way I might see if I can get another couple of inches in mine before the apointment to max it. Doubt I will have the time though

ozy1 wrote:i spoke to a well known enginneer today, and has advised this is all a massive roumour that has been started, we will have to wait and see............................

They might just start enforcing existing laws, like the amount of vehicles illegaly fitted with 31" tyres, as your only allowed to increase tyre/wheel combination diameter by 15mm over the largest optional tyre/wheel combination available for your vehicle without needing an engineers certificate.

It's a little ammusing to see people jump up and down scared of "future rule changes" when they don't even realise how blatently abused the existing ones are.

yeah, im tending to think it will be just inforced alot more, so there will be alot of people forced to enginner to keep the rig registered, which i dont see a problem with,

I think it will be enforced hardcore if it comes in. I had a mate ask if he could register his nissan as a tractor if he misses the deadline. Never heard of that one and I bet it isn't allowed to do 110kmh.

Syzygy wrote:so i would need a cert if i was to get a 2" suspension lift with a 1" increase in tyre size as the total lift is greater than 2"?

In WA this is the case!

You not only have to get an engineering cert, but a lane change tet needs to be done.

Chris.

ozy1 wrote:i spoke to a well known enginneer today, and has advised this is all a massive roumour that has been started.

... by a few engineers that are after a fast $50k with 100+ 4wders panicing to get em done.

people might find it hard to get a booking with an engineer if this is true, as everyone will be on the phone

high n mighty wrote:Either way I might see if I can get another couple of inches in mine before the apointment to max it. Doubt I will have the time though

Borrow some shocks, springs etc!!!

Just on the tyres - many bias ply are indeed road legal...the catch is your vechile must have had bias ply from the factory.....and if it was then strictly speaking you shouldn't run Radials on it

At least the lift rules shouldn't effect portal lifts
And the joys of airbags - yup it's only 2" lift

Ok who is organising a protest against the kill joys at the RTA.