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Am I the only one that thinks it looks hideous??

also How do you think it would hold up to a Roo strike or similar?

I cant make up my mind if I like it or not. But it looks well done. I think the bar at top is why I might not like it. However the bash plate and the mesh make it good. I am 50/50

djr320kw wrote:I cant make up my mind if I like it or not. But it looks well done. I think the bar at top is why I might not like it. However the bash plate and the mesh make it good. I am 50/50

I agree on the not sure if I like or not.. and 100% agree on the well built.

... but the bashplate, I had the std one on my GQ that bent up when I hit a rock, bent it, and crushed the auto lines.. so unless the rear is mounted to something solid...

Cossie wrote:also How do you think it would hold up to a Roo strike or similar?

... specially when you price GU headlights, and blinkers for the front.

GUJohnno
Just wondering what tyres your running??
Cheers Hoppy

... but the bashplate, I had the std one on my GQ that bent up when I hit a rock, bent it, and crushed the auto lines..

Good point did not really think off that. I have never had a bash plate on mine so I suppose anything is better than nothin.

Hoppy11 wrote:GUJohnno
Just wondering what tyres your running??

Xterrains

YankeeDave wrote:bar looks great,

however i too am worried about the fwd facing top hoop. I was under the impression when i made my bar that this is illegal. and besides why put it so far fwd.

Dunno. But I like it and I have it........

Guess I'll have to see if there's trouble later on. So far so good tho...

I like it.

They are certainly well made, i saw his prototype rangie one over the Anzac day weekend.

Dave

AFAIK, there are no recorded cases of anyone being killed by an airbag in Australia. There are a few cases from the US though but that is because their bags inflate faster to compensate for the number of people too stupid to wear seatbelts.

I agree that they cost a lot of money though. A few grand every time they go off in bag and trim.

Richard.

GUJohnno wrote:Insurance says that theres no requirement to keep them activated.
Many people have de-activated because of fears of injury. Many people have been killed from airbags going off. Airbags also cost insurance companies many $$$.

It was uncertain to how the airbags would go with the 2" body lift so I had them disabled to be sure.

The battery needs to be disconected for half an hour before the fuse is pulled out. Or else it may go off.

If the accident is hard enough for the air bag to go off. I would want it to go off (as long as it doesent disable to many things and if car can be driven it can be). I have only heard of them going off from accidents or 1 or 2 cases of people F*&(ing with them.
A mate nearly cut thru the lines at a car accident though trying to cut the roof off a BMW.

Cossie wrote:Am I the only one that thinks it looks hideous??

Nope....

rlaxton wrote:AFAIK, there are no recorded cases of anyone being killed by an airbag in Australia. There are a few cases from the US though but that is because their bags inflate faster to compensate for the number of people too stupid to wear seatbelts.

Hard to say, because alot of crashes where people have got themselves dead the airbag has gone off. Its just hard to prove wheather the airbag itself had anything to do with it when their head still goes through the steering wheel.

I know there are a few cases of crashes where people have survived but sustained secondary injuries from the airbag going off. But it tends to be relativly minor, broken noses, jaws and bruising. Being hit by an inflating airbag is a little stronger than copping a widow maker from Mike Tyson through a thin pillow.

There have also been a few cases of the airbag going off during service procedures. I think ive only ever heard of one unlucky person ever being hit by one whilst working on a car.

dunno bout the bar ( probly look better with the top bar angled back or cut it off ), but i like the grill. what's it painted with? any special prep to paint over the standard paint?

Whatever people think about the bar, remember Stu could customise it a bit to suit you...

I've seen his truck at Wandin. He knows his chit, and really does take pride in his welding and work.

Give him a call, or PM him here, see what he could do if your not sure you like it.

I think it looks good.

Screw what you hippies think.

I'll agree that the workmanship looks top-class...

But damn that thing is UGLY!!!

YankeeDave wrote:bar looks great,

however i too am worried about the fwd facing top hoop. I was under the impression when i made my bar that this is illegal. and besides why put it so far fwd.

other than the top bar, i love the look of it, and looks good

I recon its based on the yankee comp versions so that when you roll the bar acts as a piviot point /\ but this one has a flat top so it would not work.my 2c worth.

According to Vehicle Standards Information 22 (vic roads); Summary of the Australian Design Rules; Technical Information T1/12:

"If an airbag system is standard equipment on a particular vehicle model or variant it must be present, complete and apparently operational.

For a vehicle required to meet ADR 69/... and originally fitted with an airbag that was optional equipment on that particular model or variant, it need not be present, complete or operational provided the vehicle is fitted with all equipment (eg steering wheel, steering column, seat belts etc) that would have been fitted had the vehicle been originally manufactured without the airbag"

I have not yet found anyone (but haven't gone to engineers yet) that will tell me if I have to even replace the dash for one without the passenger side airbag 'slot' if I disconnect mine. They all think I need to replace the steering wheel, and apparently in many vehicles, the airbag / non airbag models have different seat belt pre tensioners and different collapsable sections in the steering column that would all need to be replaced.

Unfortunatley I don't think pulling a fuse will cover you legally or from an insurance stand point. The only way you many actually get an insurance pay out in the case of an accident is if you have it from them in writing exactly what you have done and that it is acceptible to them. BUT, they'll probably still fall back on the clause that leaves insurance void if you make any illegal modification.

300TDi wrote:Unfortunatley I don't think pulling a fuse will cover you legally or from an insurance stand point. The only way you many actually get an insurance pay out in the case of an accident is if you have it from them in writing exactly what you have done and that it is acceptible to them. BUT, they'll probably still fall back on the clause that leaves insurance void if you make any illegal modification.

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

Utemad wrote:

300TDi wrote:Unfortunatley I don't think pulling a fuse will cover you legally or from an insurance stand point. The only way you many actually get an insurance pay out in the case of an accident is if you have it from them in writing exactly what you have done and that it is acceptible to them. BUT, they'll probably still fall back on the clause that leaves insurance void if you make any illegal modification.

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

if the fuse blew it would register an open curciut and set the bags off as opposed to leaving everytthing disconected for 30min to reset....thinking aloud here

I really can't think of a situation where insurance coverage would be an issue, since it's your own car.

If you are injured in an accident you're going to be covered by the compulsory injury insurance component of your rego no matter what the state of your car is. As for non-injury damage, well, it's CHEAPER to fix the car if the air bag hasn't gone off.

Am I in error?

Jason

Tiny wrote:

Utemad wrote:

300TDi wrote:Unfortunatley I don't think pulling a fuse will cover you legally or from an insurance stand point. The only way you many actually get an insurance pay out in the case of an accident is if you have it from them in writing exactly what you have done and that it is acceptible to them. BUT, they'll probably still fall back on the clause that leaves insurance void if you make any illegal modification.

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

if the fuse blew it would register an open curciut and set the bags off as opposed to leaving everytthing disconected for 30min to reset....thinking aloud here

I cannot for i minute belive were pulling out the fuse in the fuse box could cause the air bag to go off. could you imagine someone sitting in there car installing any accesory ie Stereo C.B or driving lights and playing around in the fuse box and accidiently pulling the wrong fuse and the sterring wheel exploding into there body. No car manufacturer would design a electrical circuit so potentially hazardous.
And as an Electrician, fuses can suffer Fuse Fatigue were the heat up and cool down of the fusable link under current draw can open circuit without requiring over current or dead short!
So can you really imagine driving down the road having the fuse fail and your air bag exploding in your face! "I dont think so".there has to be more to the deployment of an Air Bag than that.

Cheers Grant.

Tiny wrote:

Utemad wrote:

300TDi wrote:Unfortunatley I don't think pulling a fuse will cover you legally or from an insurance stand point. The only way you many actually get an insurance pay out in the case of an accident is if you have it from them in writing exactly what you have done and that it is acceptible to them. BUT, they'll probably still fall back on the clause that leaves insurance void if you make any illegal modification.

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

if the fuse blew it would register an open curciut and set the bags off as opposed to leaving everytthing disconected for 30min to reset....thinking aloud here

You put in "special purpose pre blown" fuse ..

Mind you I would prefer the airbag to the bodylift .. especially on a GU .. you can fit a 36 in the guard reasonably easy without a BL ..

love_mud wrote:
You put in "special purpose pre blown" fuse ..

No, i think that would be even worse.
Airbags only need about .6A or .7A to go off, so it s a pretty smally fuse to stop that.

Dave.

bogged wrote: ...so unless the rear is mounted to something solid...

The rear of the plate mounts to the chassis. Well it should, as I said this is a prototype for the series III Patrols.

gtwebbie wrote:I recon its based on the yankee comp versions so that when you roll the bar acts as a piviot point /\ but this one has a flat top so it would not work.my 2c worth.

Stu made one like that. But after a close call with a car and seeing how the V lined up with the other drivers head decided to modify it for road use.

If you need on for comp work, he'll be able to fab it up. He's in the middle of making an exo cage for his comp ute.

love_mud wrote:Mind you I would prefer the airbag to the bodylift .. especially on a GU .. you can fit a 36 in the guard reasonably easy without a BL ..

yea it has me a bit lost too.

For some people its all about the look.

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I really can't think of a situation where insurance coverage would be an issue, since it's your own car.

If you are injured in an accident you're going to be covered by the compulsory injury insurance component of your rego no matter what the state of your car is. As for non-injury damage, well, it's CHEAPER to fix the car if the air bag hasn't gone off.

Am I in error?

Insurance companies may take any ol' excuse to avoid paying out. If you write the car off and someones Merc along with it, even though the airbags won't have effected the accident occurring, if the insurance company can prove that you modified the car to an illegal state, that will meet one of their clauses rendering you uninsured. Ie YOU have to pay for your own and the other Merc. I hardly see that being cheaper to fix than a couple of airbags.

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

You'll never pull that off if you've fitted a non-airbag bar to an airbag equipped vehicle. That doesn't comply with the Aust Std on bull bars, hence the insurance company will drop the ball on you for that one too.

300TDi wrote:

Why not just put a blown fuse into the appropriate fuse position. They would have a hard time trying to prove you did it on purpose.

You'll never pull that off if you've fitted a non-airbag bar to an airbag equipped vehicle. That doesn't comply with the Aust Std on bull bars, hence the insurance company will drop the ball on you for that one too.

I said that in regards to disabling the airbags to fit the body lift. Not about the non-airbag bar.

As much as I don't really want to personally find out, it would be interesting to hear from people that have had their insurance companies not pay out for an accident because they have fitted larger tyres or some sort of modification that isn't 100% approved. Everyone seems to carry on like it is the end of the world and insurance companies will try to get out of any payment etc but who has actually had this happen to them?