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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:43 pm
by bubs
murcod wrote:Maggot4x4 wrote:What about a Lexus 4.0L Quad Cam V8. There pretty light and not too expensive. Have seen em for $1500 + computer.
You'd want to get one with a computer, otherwise you're looking at custom wiring looms, buying an aftermarket computer, getting someone to program it, plus dyno time..... $$$$$.... And then you'll be lucky if it runs as smoothly as with the factory computer- especially things like cold start mixtures which take a lot of experimenting to get right.
I wouldn't recommend this route unless you've got a lot of pals in the auto industry who owe you favours!
sillyca on this board her dad has one in his GQ patrol, didn't use stock computer, he wont touch it with a stick, i have been in two cars with these motors in it his hauls ass over the one using stock computer, wired it him self, Wolf 3D version 4 computer $900 on dyno time and it kick ass
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:55 pm
by RUFF
bj on roids wrote:i have a feeling that may not have been complete. As I remember buying one thinking cool, that is mega light. They ended up being heavier than I thought. Probably closer to 250kilograms. AND i dont think 2 people could lift one complete. Thats from fan to bellhousing. Filter to sump, including extractors, and probably a pallet?
Are you saying that you beleive a 4.4 weighs 250kg and 2 people couldnt lift it????
Me and Sam were lifting mine around like it was nothing. Sam can lift one off the ground on his own with only the intake removed.
They weigh 145KG complete and this info i have got from more than one source. This is 2kg heavier than the 22R that was in my rig.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:40 pm
by Dozoor
Did you end up sliping the 4.4 in the lux Ruff ?
still the dual thingo cases?
I reckon the flywheel and clutch ways about 40kg, and the original RR tranfer and box is heavyer than the motor !!
Me and one of my boys lifted the motor out with a pipe, But we couldnt do the same with the box we droped it on the deck rolled the car off it then dragged it out of the way !
What the fug where they thinking puting a diff in the tranfer zerrrr
Theres a few other boxs that come behind the car variity that are a bit lighter Gm180 /trimatic , bw 66 , bw35
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 7:46 pm
by RUFF
Yes the 4.4 is in but the rig isnt finished yet and its still running duel cases.
And yes the gearbox and Tcase on the rangie would be heavier than the motor.
The above weight i imagine would be with out flywheel.
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 9:08 am
by Ferwoaza
Hmmm..interesting guys!!
Coupla things tho..first...this isn't for the Feroza, this will most likely be for an 84/85 Rocky. The Rocky is usually a 2.8L diesel, some with turbo but I won't get one of those, no need.
What year were the Rover 3.5L's made? After 84/85? From what I've read, the carby versions work quite well, don't want to muck around with EFI, and one of Heathers mates is a long time motorcycle mechanic and should be able to help with any tuning needs in that department.
What's the 1st gear ratio of the 4 speed auto and the gearing of the maxidrive gears?
Which axles would you recommend using with this kinda setup? Rocky axles are 3.7 r&P or something close..dunno how strong they are with 35"+ tyres tho...never really been done before
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:42 am
by Strange Rover
Ferwoaza wrote:Hmmm..interesting guys!!
Coupla things tho..first...this isn't for the Feroza, this will most likely be for an 84/85 Rocky. The Rocky is usually a 2.8L diesel, some with turbo but I won't get one of those, no need.
What year were the Rover 3.5L's made? After 84/85? From what I've read, the carby versions work quite well, don't want to muck around with EFI, and one of Heathers mates is a long time motorcycle mechanic and should be able to help with any tuning needs in that department.
What's the 1st gear ratio of the 4 speed auto and the gearing of the maxidrive gears?
Which axles would you recommend using with this kinda setup? Rocky axles are 3.7 r&P or something close..dunno how strong they are with 35"+ tyres tho...never really been done before
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Carb rover 3.5L V8 came out in the first range rovers which were 1970 up to say 1990 when injection started to happen.
If you get the later model zf auto (guessing from about 1987 to 1998 rangies and discos) and LT230 transfer the first gear is 2.5:1 and the transfer is 3.3:1. Maxi drive make a 4.3 transfer gearset.
With the zf auto, stock transfer and some 4.something gears you probably wont need anything lower. (oh yea the zf as a 4 speed overdrive auto with lockup torque converter in top gear)
Sam
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:19 am
by bj on roids
RUFF wrote:bj on roids wrote:i have a feeling that may not have been complete. As I remember buying one thinking cool, that is mega light. They ended up being heavier than I thought. Probably closer to 250kilograms. AND i dont think 2 people could lift one complete. Thats from fan to bellhousing. Filter to sump, including extractors, and probably a pallet?
Are you saying that you beleive a 4.4 weighs 250kg and 2 people couldnt lift it????
Me and Sam were lifting mine around like it was nothing. Sam can lift one off the ground on his own with only the intake removed.
They weigh 145KG complete and this info i have got from more than one source. This is 2kg heavier than the 22R that was in my rig.
I must be wrong. I thought they were much heavier. My Lexus with the auto definitely weighs in at 300 ish.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 8:17 pm
by Pharb
For something a bit different what about a Mitsubishi V6. Neat and tidy little unit. Common, parts are relatively cheap, manual or auto boxes available in Pajeros, depending on which 'box is used lower ratio low range gears are possible (refer Bistimissin). Main disadvantage - front output shaft from transfercase is on LHS which may or may not suit you.
Peter
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:58 am
by Ferwoaza
The main issue with Mitsu's is the main issue with Daihatsu's...lack of low low range gearing options. The V6's are good donks, plenty of get up and go, but no bolt on options for lower range without getting into custom adapter territory...