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got Rangie rears in front
and 4 sj80's in rear

atm- im running standard leaves front and rear. Currently toying with the idea of removing the load leaves and adding coils to compensate for the curb height, failing that ive also been told of using one coil mounted in the centre of the rear differential to retain height and then removing 2 leaves for added flex

purefmx wrote:atm- im running standard leaves front and rear. Currently toying with the idea of removing the load leaves and adding coils to compensate for the curb height, failing that ive also been told of using one coil mounted in the centre of the rear differential to retain height and then removing 2 leaves for added flex

Thought of getting some FOX airshox? Some in the USA are running them with no springs at all.
LM

Luigi Malone wrote:

purefmx wrote:atm- im running standard leaves front and rear. Currently toying with the idea of removing the load leaves and adding coils to compensate for the curb height, failing that ive also been told of using one coil mounted in the centre of the rear differential to retain height and then removing 2 leaves for added flex

Thought of getting some FOX airshox? Some in the USA are running them with no springs at all.
LM

Holy smokes!
Load em up eh

Pics of the air shocks sitting and WORKING, they look like once they're set up & dialed in they could be good. For anyone that doesn't know they're 14" travel, they require nitrogen gas and oil of which i'm not sure. You add/subtract gas to get your height right and add/subtract oil to get your 'spring' rate right. [i think anyway]
@ US$225 each they're not too bad if you're considering coilovers. HTH

simple problem solved! Im on the phone....just kidding, certainly seem to cut out the hassle with setting up suspension. Best of both worlds

BTW, these pics are of Billavista's buggy off pirate.

nice!

purefmx wrote:atm- im running standard leaves front and rear. Currently toying with the idea of removing the load leaves and adding coils to compensate for the curb height, failing that ive also been told of using one coil mounted in the centre of the rear differential to retain height and then removing 2 leaves for added flex

Are you running a track/torque bar??

My standard rears wrap like mothers with the four springs in the pack.

Scary to think what it'd be like with 2

I run after market 5 leaf units .. they get pretzeled a bit .. hmm a lot as well .. need something to take care of spring wrap big time ...

bigsteve wrote:

purefmx wrote:atm- im running standard leaves front and rear. Currently toying with the idea of removing the load leaves and adding coils to compensate for the curb height, failing that ive also been told of using one coil mounted in the centre of the rear differential to retain height and then removing 2 leaves for added flex

Are you running a track/torque bar??

My standard rears wrap like mothers with the four springs in the pack.

Scary to think what it'd be like with 2

nope all std

my four leaf pack didnt rap that bad with no overload

but now ive got a track bar anway

i just bought an 87 zook, and am looking to do some mild lift and other things to it. OME springs seem to get a big rap from everyone, so i'm considering getting a set of them.

if i buy 2" lift springs and decide i wanna put in some body lift and run 31s later, am i likely to have any issues with the springs? i think i saw someone say that you need to take these things into consideration when ya buy springs....??

stumped wrote:i just bought an 87 zook, and am looking to do some mild lift and other things to it. OME springs seem to get a big rap from everyone, so i'm considering getting a set of them.

if i buy 2" lift springs and decide i wanna put in some body lift and run 31s later, am i likely to have any issues with the springs? i think i saw someone say that you need to take these things into consideration when ya buy springs....??

I been using OME for 7 years, with a 50mm body lift and 30" tyres. never a problem, till now. Bent a rear spring, but they been to hell and back, I am happy with them. christover.

stumped wrote:i just bought an 87 zook, and am looking to do some mild lift and other things to it. OME springs seem to get a big rap from everyone, so i'm considering getting a set of them.

if i buy 2" lift springs and decide i wanna put in some body lift and run 31s later, am i likely to have any issues with the springs? i think i saw someone say that you need to take these things into consideration when ya buy springs....??

OME springs are great - so long as you are staying spring under - in a spring over application i gather they are too soft and will suffer from axel wrap.

You will be able to run 31's without the spring lift and just a body lift if you want.

The other issues that you have to consider is the offset of the rims and the width of the tyre - these will all dictate if you are going to be hitting the springs and body with your tyres at full lock and full stuff.

am planning on staying spua for ease of rego/insurance etc...
springs need doing, so i figured i may as well throw some lift under it while i'm there.

any opinions as to pro/cons of 2" spring lift running 28s or so, compared to 2" body lift with 31s? it seems that diff ratios need to be changed if ya make the move to 31s?

stumped wrote:am planning on staying spua for ease of rego/insurance etc...
springs need doing, so i figured i may as well throw some lift under it while i'm there.

any opinions as to pro/cons of 2" spring lift running 28s or so, compared to 2" body lift with 31s? it seems that diff ratios need to be changed if ya make the move to 31s?

It's easier to just put rockhopper (reduction) gears in your transfer case - this will have a greater affect on gearing than changing your diff gears will and make everything far more useable - especially offroad.

Running the springs, 28's and no body lift is not a problem - you will get the "nicer" ride, more travel and greater offroad performance from it, you just won't be able to fit big tyres - that's all.

where are you located stumped? it may be worth while going along to your local suzuki club (in various states) to see what the members there are running on their cars... that'll give you a good idea about what you may / may not want to have.

One piece of advice, if you are definately getting a rockhopper, don't waste money on a small tyre (like a 28), go straight to a 31 if you can afford it (if not, keep saving)... I don't think you will regret it.

live in newcastle, nsw... will have to see if theres a club around. only had the zook 2 days and i'm loving it already

i think i'll go with the spring lift for now, and save up for body, rockhopper, and 31s... and put em in in one go. usta own a rocky (love the 2.8TD), and ran rancho 9x's... very nice shocks. haven't noticed a preference for shocks on here, anyone got an opinion as to what's good and what's not (to go with OME 2" springs)

i use rancho 9000x and love em

btw im pretty close to newcastle if ya eva wana check my rig out

stumped wrote:live in newcastle, nsw... will have to see if theres a club around. only had the zook 2 days and i'm loving it already

i think i'll go with the spring lift for now, and save up for body, rockhopper, and 31s... and put em in in one go. usta own a rocky (love the 2.8TD), and ran rancho 9x's... very nice shocks. haven't noticed a preference for shocks on here, anyone got an opinion as to what's good and what's not (to go with OME 2" springs)

I found the OME shocks actually limited wheel travel.
I use Ranco 5000s in rear and Monroes up front.
But if all goes well for me I intend to go Fox in front. I will need to extend my shock towers more first. They are extended 2" already.
Look ahead at what you might want before you purchase shocks etc.
LM

redzook wrote:btw im pretty close to newcastle if ya eva wana check my rig out

I don't think he would - the pics are bad enough

Luigi Malone wrote:Look ahead at what you might want before you purchase shocks etc.
LM

Have to agree with that.

I've got rancho's too - 9112x's in the front, 9012x's in the rear... love them - always run them on 1 for the softest ride possible

stumped wrote:live in newcastle, nsw...

Sorry.

stumped wrote:will have to see if theres a club around. only had the zook 2 days and i'm loving it already

new castle clubs thread:

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... =newcastle

stumped wrote:i think i'll go with the spring lift for now, and save up for body, rockhopper, and 31s... and put em in in one go. usta own a rocky (love the 2.8TD), and ran rancho 9x's... very nice shocks. haven't noticed a preference for shocks on here, anyone got an opinion as to what's good and what's not (to go with OME 2" springs)

As per what Luigi has written - OME shocks are probably too stiff and will limit the max travel you can get out of the springs (particularly if you remove leaves from the springs)... It all depends on how big you want to go, and how much you want to spend.

greg wrote:
Have to agree with that.

I've got rancho's too - 9112x's in the front, 9012x's in the rear... love them - always run them on 1 for the softest ride possible

why so long of shocks? im not baggin ya
but im almost certain u wouldnt go close to using it all

redzook wrote:

greg wrote:
Have to agree with that.

I've got rancho's too - 9112x's in the front, 9012x's in the rear... love them - always run them on 1 for the softest ride possible

why so long of shocks? im not baggin ya
but im almost certain u wouldnt go close to using it all

Those shocks were picked because of the valving on them (9012's are very soft, 9112's are a bit harder, but all i could get at the time), and because of the length... You're right, i don't use all of it, but getting something so long means that every time i tweak the springs to get another inch or two, i don't have to get new shocks...

I'm not really sure how much travel of the shocks i use.

p.s. the 9012's sure are long though - they are mounted 5 inches above floor height in the back (i.e. i have holes cut through the floor )

just looked at rockhopper for 1.3 zook... think is series 1 and 3....

is there any difference between the two, other than the different reduction and price? is one stronger than the other, or puts less stress on the vehicle? would you need to go to the series 3 for 31s, or is it not worth the extra $$?

Series 1:

http://www.bigballsoffroad.com/prod95.htm


Series 3:

http://www.bigballsoffroad.com/prod4.htm


In answer to your question, you could get away with a series 1, but everyone i know of (including myself) that has had a series 1 has since increased their tyre size and had to buy a series 3 because of it... so it's cheaper to get the series 3 in the long run

stumped wrote:i just bought an 87 zook, and am looking to do some mild lift and other things to it. OME springs seem to get a big rap from everyone, so i'm considering getting a set of them.

if i buy 2" lift springs and decide i wanna put in some body lift and run 31s later, am i likely to have any issues with the springs? i think i saw someone say that you need to take these things into consideration when ya buy springs....??

will 30'' tyres fit with just 2'' spring lift with 8'' rims but deep dish on outside if u know what i mean.. to stop fouling spring packs at hard lock??

stockman wrote:will 30'' tyres fit with just 2'' spring lift with 8'' rims but deep dish on outside if u know what i mean.. to stop fouling spring packs at hard lock??

30's on 8's? How wide are these tyres?

The (theoretically golden) rule is that the biggest tyre you can fit on an unchanged sierra is a 235x75x15 - which is about 28.5 - 29 inches in diameter.

This means that anything bigger than that, will start hitting the flares / firewall / front bumper mounts etc...

Using lifted spring (assuming they are flexable), will affect ride height, but should not affect how far up into the guards the tyre will go when under full compression - this means that unless you increase your bump stops, cut your guards, lift the body, or spring over the car, the biggest tyre you can fit without rubbing under the guards is still going to be limited to 28.5 inches.

This 28.5 can easily be increased to around 30" but cutting off the front bumper mount, and flattening out the seams inside the wheel well. Both these steps will allow you to fit a bigger tyre without touching and getting cut up by the seams when at full compression.

Hope that made sense.

Bascially, if you have deep dished (backspacing at a minimum) rims, you should not hit the springs at full lock, but you are more likely to hit the firewall and headlight end of the wheel well as the scrub radius of the tyre is bigger as you decrease the backspacing.

However, i still think that you will need to do some modifications to the body to make it all fit in there nice and neat.

greg wrote:

stockman wrote:will 30'' tyres fit with just 2'' spring lift with 8'' rims but deep dish on outside if u know what i mean.. to stop fouling spring packs at hard lock??

30's on 8's? How wide are these tyres?

The (theoretically golden) rule is that the biggest tyre you can fit on an unchanged sierra is a 235x75x15 - which is about 28.5 - 29 inches in diameter.

This means that anything bigger than that, will start hitting the flares / firewall / front bumper mounts etc...

Using lifted spring (assuming they are flexable), will affect ride height, but should not affect how far up into the guards the tyre will go when under full compression - this means that unless you increase your bump stops, cut your guards, lift the body, or spring over the car, the biggest tyre you can fit without rubbing under the guards is still going to be limited to 28.5 inches.

This 28.5 can easily be increased to around 30" but cutting off the front bumper mount, and flattening out the seams inside the wheel well. Both these steps will allow you to fit a bigger tyre without touching and getting cut up by the seams when at full compression.

Hope that made sense.

Bascially, if you have deep dished (backspacing at a minimum) rims, you should not hit the springs at full lock, but you are more likely to hit the firewall and headlight end of the wheel well as the scrub radius of the tyre is bigger as you decrease the backspacing.

However, i still think that you will need to do some modifications to the body to make it all fit in there nice and neat.

oh right greg sort of makes sense , yeah ill think ill just leave her and go calmini 5''lift or spring over do u know any companys that sell a weld on spiringover kit in Australia..