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great find

gday sikid-01
hows it going ??

looking into spring for a mates 96 sierra.
could you tell me the compressed height of the 180sx coil, while under your VIT

cheers & thanks for your time
daryl

toysuzi wrote:gday sikid-01
hows it going ??

looking into spring for a mates 96 sierra.
could you tell me the compressed height of the 180sx coil, while under your VIT

cheers & thanks for your time
daryl

dang.

i guess ur the 1st ever to ask for a compressed coil measurement while its under a vit.

i'm not sure why you would ask for that measurement, as it has to many variables to work off. position of spring on diff, or width of diff, or weight etc etc would play a part.

i can squash the spring to very near solid with no bump stop or shock in the back of my vit. i had to use a 1" coil spacer so it wouldnt bottom my shocks out. i then just left the stock bump stops in place.

well, next time i'm out, i will measure them for you.

gas shock are fine in a vitara you just have to use the right ones!!!!

ive got a set of IRS BMW E30 (KYB PART NO. 343184) rears in my girl friends car with a custom set of springs that i got from KING SPRINGS

as for the front i just used STD front shocks and made a 2in spacer that screwd on then welded it onto the shock.

then i got the bearing plate / strut plate pushed out the stud reversd the plate then weld new bolts. so when you look underneith the bonnet the majority of the plate sits underneith the chassis. and you gain another 2in of travel.

basliy i got a std shock with an extra 4in of travel!!!!

coilylux wrote:

basliy i got a std shock with an extra 4in of travel!!!!

...and your girlfriend believes you when you tell her it's "that" big

hahahaha some thinks there funny

coilylux wrote: basliy i got a std shock with an extra 4in of travel!!!!

is this on the front or on the back?

shocks are in the back, but the front use struts. same same i guess.

and if a stock strut has a 7" stroke, how do you get an extra 4" of travel out of it?

SiKiD_01 wrote:

toysuzi wrote:gday sikid-01
hows it going ??

looking into spring for a mates 96 sierra.
could you tell me the compressed height of the 180sx coil, while under your VIT

cheers & thanks for your time
daryl

dang.

i guess ur the 1st ever to ask for a compressed coil measurement while its under a vit.

i'm not sure why you would ask for that measurement, as it has to many variables to work off. position of spring on diff, or width of diff, or weight etc etc would play a part.

i can squash the spring to very near solid with no bump stop or shock in the back of my vit. i had to use a 1" coil spacer so it wouldnt bottom my shocks out. i then just left the stock bump stops in place.

well, next time i'm out, i will measure them for you.

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with the unsprung height & sprung height of the coils i can work out were the kerb height will be. and also see if the coils will keep captive on full extension.

EG - using your compressed height & with diffs on axle stands, then jacking the vehicle up to achieve the same messurment between coil mounting pads i can then see where the vehicle will sit. or very close

hard top sierra 950kg std then add vitara engine. i aussume it will be close to your soft top. well close enuf for a starting point

dropped into a local wrecker thur after work.found some coils close to your specs
celica ST141 (rear) 360mm with 10mm wire
and commordore sedan 350+mm 12mm wire
& wagon 355mm with 13-14mm wire with after market HD coils.

id agree with you on coil pad location & vehicle weight etc
but axle width wouldnt play a part in ride height.
im not after callapsed height under articulation


cheers daryl

SiKiD_01 wrote:

coilylux wrote: basliy i got a std shock with an extra 4in of travel!!!!

is this on the front or on the back?

shocks are in the back, but the front use struts. same same i guess.

and if a stock strut has a 7" stroke, how do you get an extra 4" of travel out of it?

this is on the front,

i have lifted the car 3in so the shock shaft extends out of the shock body 3in, so if i put a 2in spacer on top of the shock shaft then weld it on.

then with the plate that the shock shaft slide into, push the 3 studs out flip it upside down then weld another 3 bolts in so the nuts still mont inside the engine bay.

the thickness of the plate is appox 2in so if its upside down the piston slides body into the shock body 2in.

u get me????

coilylux wrote:

SiKiD_01 wrote:

coilylux wrote: basliy i got a std shock with an extra 4in of travel!!!!

is this on the front or on the back?

shocks are in the back, but the front use struts. same same i guess.

and if a stock strut has a 7" stroke, how do you get an extra 4" of travel out of it?

this is on the front,

i have lifted the car 3in so the shock shaft extends out of the shock body 3in, so if i put a 2in spacer on top of the shock shaft then weld it on.

then with the plate that the shock shaft slide into, push the 3 studs out flip it upside down then weld another 3 bolts in so the nuts still mont inside the engine bay.

the thickness of the plate is appox 2in so if its upside down the piston slides body into the shock body 2in.

u get me????

i would say that would just move the travel range down to suit the 3" lift. so the total travel you had stock, you would still have now. no additional travel at all.

it would be different if you replaced the front struts with some dobinson 50mm longer ones. then you would have 50mm/2" MORE travel.

i had a set of dobo's in the car which i got from work.

they where totaly crap!!!! way to frim plus they did not lift the car enough.

so like i said in my 1st post i got a set of custom made KING SPRINGS and now it sits nice and the ride is heaps better

hey guys

straight forward wat do i need to raise my car about 3in or 2in not to fussed just want something nice and soft at the moment and right now just want to get a lil bit more into 4wding my car

ive got a 98 1.6L swd i think its a 2door softtop

also wat size tyers can i put on with out to much trouble being caused should get them in a few weeks

cheers nick

also do rear 180sx coils fit in the front


cheers nick

Try_Me wrote:also do rear 180sx coils fit in the front


cheers nick

No

coilylux wrote:i had a set of dobo's in the car which i got from work.

they where totaly crap!!!! way to frim plus they did not lift the car enough.

so like i said in my 1st post i got a set of custom made KING SPRINGS and now it sits nice and the ride is heaps better

i'm talking about the struts. what are you talking about?

struts and shocks do not lift the car or lower the car in any way. springs do that.

if you have dobinson STRUTS, they have 50mm longer stroke than factory ones! even OME only have a 30mm longer stroke.

as for 3" lift. get a calmini 3" lift kit from the states.

180 coils will definately not work in the front. for a rough idea, the rear springs on a swb vit are at 110lb/ft and the front ones are about 470lb/ft!

i think he means do the rear 180sx coils fit into the front of a vitara...

Hey SiKiD_01. I think you're going to need to type a little slower so that he can understand Bye the way, any luck with the open and closed strut length?

cj wrote:Hey SiKiD_01. I think you're going to need to type a little slower so that he can understand Bye the way, any luck with the open and closed strut length?

hey CJ,

i haven't been able to stop past the sus shop for the struts yet, i've been too busy at work and all. i will try this week end for you.

and i type real slow already.

...when you get there

bump

yea so 180 coils go in the rear with of course longer shocks but what goes in the front to bring it up to the hight of the back?

mroffroader wrote:yea so 180 coils go in the rear with of course longer shocks but what goes in the front to bring it up to the hight of the back?

spacer... longer springs... either and/or both. most likely be looking at getting new springs made for up front if you don't want to put a big fat coil spacer in there.
+ you will have no down travel from the strut and will have to space that, and then you will have camber issues, poor cv angles. ride quality decreases, steering arms get steeper, steering is worse.

Ric

[quote="Ric"][quote="mroffroader"]yea so 180 coils go in the rear with of course longer shocks but what goes in the front to bring it up to the hight of the back? [/quote]

spacer... longer springs... either and/or both. most likely be looking at getting new springs made for up front if you don't want to put a big fat coil spacer in there.
+ you will have no down travel from the strut and will have to space that, and then you will have camber issues, poor cv angles. ride quality decreases, steering arms get steeper, steering is worse.

Ric[/quote]

i think il stick with the 30's go the big 30's

so what shocks should i be running if i put the 180 in the rear and gv in the front

cheer nick

icekayak wrote:and is that the same as a s13?

180SX's are S13's, so yes they are the same.

SiKiD_01 wrote:if u mean using front 180 coils in the front of a vit, then no. front 180 coils have a humungous diameter, and only a few winds, like 5 or so. they are on the strut itself, so yeah, wont work.

What about using 180 rears in the front of a Vit?

85zook wrote:

SiKiD_01 wrote:if u mean using front 180 coils in the front of a vit, then no. front 180 coils have a humungous diameter, and only a few winds, like 5 or so. they are on the strut itself, so yeah, wont work.

What about using 180 rears in the front of a Vit?

not possible

due to the way the ifs is set up, the coil is halfway on the arm, and the spring rate required to hold the front end up is far greater than the back.

plus, the front has the weight of the motor.

but if you were to set up a SAS of sorts, you could use the 180 coils up front. they would not lift as much, and would be extremely soft.

SiKiD_01 wrote: 180 coils will definately not work in the front. for a rough idea, the rear springs on a swb vit are at 110lb/ft and the front ones are about 470lb/ft!

Try_Me wrote:so what shocks should i be running if i put the 180 in the rear and gv in the front

cheer nick

coilylux wrote:gas shock are fine in a vitara you just have to use the right ones!!!!

ive got a set of IRS BMW E30 (KYB PART NO. 343184) rears in my girl friends car with a custom set of springs that i got from KING SPRINGS

as for the front i just used STD front shocks and made a 2in spacer that screwd on then welded it onto the shock.

then i got the bearing plate / strut plate pushed out the stud reversd the plate then weld new bolts. so when you look underneith the bonnet the majority of the plate sits underneith the chassis. and you gain another 2in of travel.

k wats STD lol

also what yr gv to get springs from want to go pick up a set this week

also how hard is it to put all this in urself

cheers nick

Try_Me wrote:k wats STD lol

also what yr gv to get springs from want to go pick up a set this week

also how hard is it to put all this in urself

cheers nick

STD = STandarD or stock.

i'm not sure about year models for the GV, as some came with a 4cyl and a 6cyl engine. obviously the 6cyl engine weighs more, so the springs will be stiffer again.

how hard? depends on: what tools you have; how many helpful mates; how many swaer words in your vocab; and how much common sense you have.

Vitara Bible wrote: Tyres and Suspension (with coil spacer install write up)
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=46893