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So whats the go bushy did u get the HIDs to fit the new light forces? XGTs?

I sold my jeep with the LF 240s on it and am missing them alot now, The lux came with hellas, but its just not the same

Thought i may as well go the whole hog this time, XGTs with your kit

I've just done the conversion to my IPF 800 (square) Turned out pretty good. I had to drill the hole for the wires right behind the globe because it was slighty longer that the original H3 globe. The grommet provided just the right amount to clearnace for it

> So whats the go bushy did u get the HIDs to fit the new light forces?
> XGTs?

Have only !!finally!! finished off me first 50w kit into a brand spanking new pair (the new version) of LF240 Blitz's. (I've yet to purchase or even own a set of XGT to experiment with. One of these days).

Rather simple to modify and do, it holds the H3 bulb fine, and light output is sort of ok.

I'll be totally honest and say that I was actually a tad bit disappointed in the actual amount of light output from the 50w kit. I guess I was expecting much more - maybe too much.

I compared one of these 50w Blitz's (5000k) against a proper pair of au$1150.00 Lightforce HID's (they use 6000k and are 35w each). All three lights were pointing from the creek/river at Geehi National Park (Kulcarn/Kosciozco road) towards one of the surrounding hills - on the 30th/Dec. Pointing the single blitz in the middle of the two LF HID's and you can easily see where it is. Shining it to the side of the area that the LF HID's were lighting up, and the single blitz really blew away both LF HID's for distance - since the spot on the hill was twice/three times the size. Showing other blokes and they were kinda blown away by it. Me old man called it a star wars light saber.

It was a bit of a real shame however that this first 50w kit that I bought was a 5k. 6k would have been better for comparisons.

Tried taking pics of light output, but my useless digi camera can't pick the light up real well. So I pretty much gave up. The 50w kits advertise as being 40% brighter than the 35w kits. I haven't done a side by side comparison yet, but I certainly don't think it that much.

Got another six LF240 Blitz's on me lounge room floor to modify...

Heh!, 12 months ago had to go and buy a $15.00 H2 bulb for one of me old Blitz's. Got flippin something like 12 spares now sitting in a plastic container. Whacked aint it.

Pulled me old bull lights out, but then put them away again, coz didn't get around to putting the bulbs in them yet. Am still awaiting on another two HID kits to arrive.

If anyone wants any more info or instructions on how to dood this ya-self , or some pics (which I can try and get), just pm / email me. Am happy to yabber away about lights all day long.

bushy that all sounds cool How would you compare the 50w and 35w hids? Could you justify the extra expense for the 50w's???

How do your 35w converted hid's compare to the lightforce hid's???

bummer, so the new Blitz's globes are different to the XGT's ??

I thought it was just the body and the mount, are the reflectors different aswell?

bushy555, have u converted the new 170s yet? Cause i am interested in these and want to know if your plates can fit cause i have a 50watt kit ready to be put into my cibies but if you can put them in 170s, might do that.
Thanks julian

Sorry all for being slack at replying...

> How would you compare the 50w and 35w hids?
> Could you justify the extra expense for the 50w's???

Certainly yep when John @ Bitdistribution (advertises in Aus 4wd Monthly) had them for $370.00.
THey are now $470.00 due to unexpected import costs. Erm, tis unfortunate that I didnt get 6000k so that I could do a side-by-side comparison. Would have been better.
And it is unfortunate that I havent thrown these 50watters into the likes of me IPF 900's (which currently have 35w 6000k). I probably should have done this and done a side by side comparison.
I personally reckon wait another six months... and the 50watters will be being imported like the 35watters are now. Maybe.

I've now forked out over 2 grand in kits and LF240's in the past six months ... I call it for research purposes. Have learnt a bit.
But the dollar factor is starting to get on the ouch side. So I've now just done this:

Ebay --> Search for item #4610104405
Piccy's of the 50 watters in action in a brand new set of LF240 Blitzs are here:
http://www.angelfire.com/on4/bushy5551/ebay.jpg

Sorry for the plug - but I gotta try and start re-couping some of the costs. There is only so much dosh that one single bloke can fork out on in lights.
Ok... moving on:


> How do your 35w converted hid's compare to the lightforce hid's???
Hard to say, coz I didn't really give it a go. (Dang it! I stuidly had the chance and forgot it. Note to self: "you are a dopey git")
I think they're on comparison. The only difference of course is about what over $1000 difference, and the fact that the ballasts wont fit in the Blitz housing.
However I believe that most 35w (possibly 50w) kit ballasts will fit ok inside XGT housings.
I didn't have the heart to ask old mate to oen up his HID's for a look. But he reckons he has since opened them up and the proer LF HID ballast is roughly the same size.
(All proper LF HID's are 35w by the way.)


> so the new Blitz's globes are different to the XGT's ??

No - sorry for the mis guiding bit. Nup, they use the exact same OSRAM H2 bulb. About $15.00 at Lightforce outlets.
They are around $1.50 from Jaycar, RS Components, and Farnell. Ok, might be $4.50 from RS Components. They be a bit more, but guarantee 24 hour delivery.
Might even find them in bunnings for 50 cents - who knows. But they are indeed the exact same bulb. THe one with the pins. Hella 1000 uses these but 'with wings'. Cibie Supar Oscar slims also use these H2 bulbs.

It is the bulb housings that have changed. What I am calling version 1 of the 140/170 and 240 Blitz was a ceramic base riveted to a bit of 0.25 mm sheet brass stuff that was bent in a way to hold it in place. Same idea that Ive done for me H3 HID bulb mount.
THen (I think), when the XGT was released, Lightforce designed a new aluminum housing which is acting like a huge heatsink to absorb some of the heat fro the 100w H2 bulb. This was one of the downsides to the deisng of the H2 bulb - the fact that they get bloody hot and nowhere for the heat to go.
Hence some early 140/170/240's failed. Just like early cibie super slims and early hella 1000's, and whatever else used these bulbs. The only heat disapatio is to go down the two small pins into the contacts. This got hot, add some moisture (creek crossings), and she'd rust. Me Cibie's just rusted away and is a totally crap design for longitivity.
I think the Hella 1000's changed their original deign to go with these extra added wings spot welded to the pins to disapate some of the heat.
Unfortunately I only know of these three types of lights which use these H2 bulbs. It is a real shame that LF went with a design that used H2 bulbs in the first place. This, I rekcon, is there only downfall.
Now, getting back on track, XGT's were released (I think) with this new aluminium heat sink. Heat still has to go down the pins...
Then sometime down the track (maybe right away), all 140's, 170's and 240 Blitz's were released also with this new aluminium heat sink. Which is 30mm and just fits inside the original housing. There is one rivet holding the heatsink in. Drill this rivet out, and pull the heatsink/H2 bulb out. In goes HID stuff. Easy!

So - to recap, new Blitzs globes and globe housing unit is identical to that of the XGT.
The plastic housing of the XGT differs since it holds the aluminium heat sink just a tad bit differently.


> I thought it was just the body and the mount, are the
>reflectors different aswell?

As far as I can tell, the reflectors are identical.
Apologies if I have gone astray in that last posting.

I have yet to convert a XGT - so I'm not overly sure as to yet what is actually full-on required to do the job.



> have u converted the new 170s yet? Cause i am
> interested in these and want to know if your
> plates can fit cause i have a 50watt kit ready
> to be put into my cibies but if you can put them
> in 170s, might do that.

Have not yet converted a 170 yet, - had one to be done, but old mate wanted them as they were, so I did a swap for his Hella 2000's for me LF 170's.
The 170's that I had, had the original designed ceramic housing - which just pull out. Before putting one of me mounts in place, I was kinda really hoping that they would fit. And *walla* they do. The base housing on the 170 is identical to that of the 240 blitz. The early designs were absolutely identical.
However, I have yet to take notice of the new 170. The new 240 blitz has 'LIGHTFORCE' in fancy writing down the side, along with the wires now come out the back facing down in a rubber grommet, and of course they all have this real fancy breather stuff. An o-ring and a bit of gore tex. Wowee. All the hype in ads for this. I'd have siliconed in some small flexible 2 or 4mm platic pipe from the light housings and ran it into --- say me air cleaner.
So - yes, me silly little mounts will definately fit the old 170's. Guaranteed!

If you have the new design with the aluminium heat sink, drill out the rivet on the side, these silly little mounts _should_ fit beautifully and can then add ya HID bulbs. Measure the inside if you want to verify. Should be around the 30mm inside diameter. Or it might be 30mm outside. I forget.



Bloody heck. Its flippin 9pm. Started writing this at 8:25!
9pm, friday night - here I am writing about bloody lights. HAHAHAHA. Knock off time from work me thinks! I'm going mad...

Thanks a heap bushy you have gone out on a limb for all of us. U spend all the $$ and the rest of us reap the rewards......dosent seem fair does it.


U say the XGTs plastic housing is a little different? so do i just file a bit off to make your mounts fit, or do your mounts still fit straight in?

I know u havent converted the XGTs, but im keen

Thanks aheap Shane

How water resistant are the 240 Blitz after the HID mods?
Also how water resistant are the balast boxs?
How far away from the lights can the balasts be mounted? how long is the lead on them?
Also how long are the H3 HID globes?

bushy555 wrote:. I'd have siliconed in some small flexible 2 or 4mm platic pipe from the light housings and ran it into --- say me air cleaner.

i wouldn't like to put em under water like this.

Good work on the research. someone prepared to go the extra step rather than just talking about it.... I give you - "Professor Bushy E Edison"


Andrew.

MIght have to get one of the brackets for the LF240's soon then dave. As I may as well upgrade them as well as those hella4000's.
So just to confirm that these http://www.lightforce.net.au/images/240BLITZ.pdf
are the ones you have the kit for. As this is what I have, except with out the breather kit upgrade.
Just wondering how the wires are run with the new globes?

I still havent done anything with those 4000s yet. I was going to trim the wires on the globe. But I dont want to damage the globe. So am just going to get the hole saw out (or big drill bit) and cut a hole in the back of the housing.

UMMMM......
I have been absolutely inundated by this. Had no idea about the amount of emails that I was gonna get. So....
Before I go ahead, can I please ask peeps to have some patience coz this is gonna take a little while for me to get me head around. I'm in a spin.

Am finally gonna ull me finger out and gonna get me second improved version cut within the next three days - this second version I am hoping will fit all manufactures HID bulbs. The first version only fitted the first HID kit that I bought. The second, third and fourth were slightly different by 1/2mm each or so, and so Ive changed the design a bit to allow for better fitment. Hopefully will have these available by middle of next week (100 klicks to go get them cut, another 100 klicks to pick them up. This was all just an experiment. Work takes up around 60 hours of the week.... you get the idea). Me first versions that are sitting on me lounge room floor, Ive had to grab a file and take a little bit out here and there to make them fit another set (fourth lot I've done) of second hand LF240's that I've fitted.

WANTED: Some sorta an idea for a rubber grommet thingo. About 3mm deep and 3/4" in diameter. Or an idea how to get those bloody connectors off those bloody wires. Now wouldnt that be a hell of a lot easier of ya coudl do that. Only need two 3mm holes then. Poke the wires through, rejoin, and *walla*

ausyota wrote:How water resistant are the 240 Blitz after the HID mods?
Also how water resistant are the balast boxs?
How far away from the lights can the balasts be mounted? how long is the lead on them?
Also how long are the H3 HID globes?

No idea. Havent tested, but the ballasts will be full on water proof.
Since I havent found anything suitable yet as a grommet, Ive just been siliconing them up. So far they're very waterproof for me. But silicon attracts dust... Did the Vic High country and the likes of the 54 water crossing (Haunted Stream) in between christmas and new year ok, and they were fine.

As I said to someone on ebay - I wouldnt like to go scoober diving with them. Heh!

The fly leads on the bulbs are around the 300mm mark - roughly. Not entirely sure off the top of me head, but somewhere there.

Lenght of the H3 bulb - erm, sorry, I should now this off to of me head.
Google for 'H3 HID bulb' and click on 'image'. There should be heaps of ics there with measurements. I cant even guess it - knowing I'll be wrong. Maybe 60mm for the globe and 30mm for the base. But that is only a wild guess and could be 20mm out!

jeep97tj wrote:Thanks a heap bushy you have gone out on a limb for all of us. U spend all the $$ and the rest of us reap the rewards......dosent seem fair does it.


U say the XGTs plastic housing is a little different? so do i just file a bit off to make your mounts fit, or do your mounts still fit straight in?

I know u havent converted the XGTs, but im keen

Thanks aheap Shane

Yeah, I'll have to go looking. Mate has a set. Will ask him if I can open one up and take pics and measurements. Will try to do this thursday/friday morning.

andrew e wrote:

bushy555 wrote:. I'd have siliconed in some small flexible 2 or 4mm platic pipe from the light housings and ran it into --- say me air cleaner.

i wouldn't like to put em under water like this.

Good work on the research. someone prepared to go the extra step rather than just talking about it.... I give you - "Professor Bushy E Edison"


Andrew.

Nah, call me a goose with toooo much money.
This is what happens when ya got no life and still single. Sad aint it.

turps wrote:MIght have to get one of the brackets for the LF240's soon then dave. As I may as well upgrade them as well as those hella4000's.
So just to confirm that these http://www.lightforce.net.au/images/240BLITZ.pdf
are the ones you have the kit for. As this is what I have, except with out the breather kit upgrade.
Just wondering how the wires are run with the new globes?

I still havent done anything with those 4000s yet. I was going to trim the wires on the globe. But I dont want to damage the globe. So am just going to get the hole saw out (or big drill bit) and cut a hole in the back of the housing.

Yep - thats them alright.
Version 2 of these lights have the breather kit.
Erm, I ripped out the breather kit, drilled a 3/4" hole thar, ran the wires, and siliconed it up. Dont think I'll be selling those lights on ebay --- oh well, will just chuck them on to me Subey Brumby.
The first four 240's that Ive done, and now these last two are all v1's. They've worked out ok for me. But then again my level of 'good' work is everyone elses level of 'crap' work.


..and looking at those 50w jobbies, I dont think there will be enough gain even if you do cut the bulbs. Mmmm--- drill the housing. And silicon it up.

Was hoping that me next two kits would arrive today but didn't. They'll be going into a set of Trilite bull lights and a pair of IPF 800's.


Heh! Stupid thought of the day: Imagine rocking up to Tuff Truck with about six Rocklights each having 6000k HID bulbs. hehheheheh


...So if everyone can have a bit of patience I'll get to it.
Anyone wanting any, please email me djmaunder at rockdale.com.au
I'll reply way way way quicker than via here.

Coming soon: Watch out for [possibly] the ad in Aus 4wd monthly. Maybe. Maybe that will be wasting me money more so... heh! (*shaking head* I'll never learn)

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Adapters have been cut and ready to roll to anyone who may be interested. This post might also get deleted...

$15.00 for two little adapters with about a six or seven page instruction sheet with fancy coloured piccies.

I was hoping to be able to sell these a heck of a lot cheaper, but unfortunately getting these cut cost me a bloody fortune - These really should only cost a coupla dollars --- if they were stamped out rather than cut, and maybe if I got 10 million trillon done at once. But I didn't. So... thats why they cost that much. But anyway, they appear to work really well.

* Will fit Lightforce 140 Lancer, 170 Strike, 240 Blitz
* Will hold the standard H3 Halogen bulb
* Will hold every H3 HID bulb that I have been able to find.
* Will work with the original early version of the LightForce mount.
* Will work with the later (Current) version of the LightForce mount.
* They come in two colours - super cheap chrome and super cheap chrome.

Have yet to work out something nicely for the rear of the LF mount. If you do not wish to drill a big hole in the rear of your mount, these are probably not for you. Unless ya want me to do it. Which is possible.

Please email me at below email address rather than PM'ing me. I'll get back to you faster via email. To those who have contacted me, shall be contacting you sometime over the next few days to see if ya still intertested.

Took after pics of doing an IPF800 (rectangle) HID upgrade. Yell if anyone wants a squiz at pics. They be sweet.

cheers,
dave.
djmaunder at rockdale.com.au