Outer Limits 4x4 Board

redzook wrote:

POS wrote:I can see where and what you guys are trying to achieve.

well fill me in on what "we're" trying to achive im just giving my unbiased opinion of 2 tires

im not trying to start anything
im not gaining anything if i say one tire is better then the other

also the bfgs are more worn then the mtr's
i have the same amount of fuel i always fuel up b4 goin wheeling and run the tracks in pretty much the same order
and yesterday it was hot the rocks were sticky as the other cars were crawling and driving stuff they have neva done b4

if this comparison was by some one else not even involving bfg's
i dont even think tony would have chimed in

POS wrote:I can see where and what you guys are trying to achieve.

However there are so many factors that change how tyres react and i always laugh a little when people try and compare tyres.

To be honest i don't care which one does what

But you do need to take a few things into consideration.

1. Tyre Pressure, you would need to spend weeks testing the BFG just to find a pressure that works spot on. You have had the MTR's for along time and over that time i am sure you would have adjusted the pressures to what you use today. So to just put in say 6 psi (as an example) and they don't grip aswell, who's to say that at 6.5psi they work heaps better.

2. Tyre wear, how old are the MTR's and how worn are they??? The BFG's would be nearly new and this alone is enough to make them unperform. The Red Labels apparently are at there best when they are under 50% tread and i am noticing this with every tyre i look at. All the square edges would be gone on the MTR's i would imagine unless you "scrubed" the BFG's in they would still have fairly square egdes. This to me alone would be enough to say that you testing is slightly inaccurate.

3. You also need to look at the surface of the line you are taking, one month ago it could have have a very clean (or nearly clean surface) and now it may have a fine layer of dust and dirt over it creating a very minor change in how well any tyre grips.

4. Even though you are on "exactly" the same line i have never seen anyone able to drive "exactly" the same line. I am talking cm's and mm's. You may only have the arse end of the car 2 cm's offline but it could be enough to make it react differently.

5. Little things like is your fuel take full or empty, i would imagine that it would be a 40 lt tank, so you could infact have been 40kgs heavier or lighter.

I know all these things sound silly and insignificant but hey it does make a difference.

I myself could not and have never compared tyres like this, people do. But i beleive that what happens one day does not nessesaryily happen the next. Just like when you go out wheeling, someone drives a ledge that no-one else could and then the next time they go out they get denied every time (even though they were trying the same line ). See what i am saying.
After all that i beleive that the MTR is better than the Blue label BFG anyway.

redzook wrote:if this comparison was by some one else not even involving bfg's
i dont even think tony would have chimed in

jeep97tj wrote:You blokes are in the shit now, wait till BFG hear about this thread.

hypozook wrote:

POS wrote:I can see where and what you guys are trying to achieve.

However there are so many factors that change how tyres react and i always laugh a little when people try and compare tyres.

To be honest i don't care which one does what

But you do need to take a few things into consideration.

1. Tyre Pressure, you would need to spend weeks testing the BFG just to find a pressure that works spot on. You have had the MTR's for along time and over that time i am sure you would have adjusted the pressures to what you use today. So to just put in say 6 psi (as an example) and they don't grip aswell, who's to say that at 6.5psi they work heaps better.

2. Tyre wear, how old are the MTR's and how worn are they??? The BFG's would be nearly new and this alone is enough to make them unperform. The Red Labels apparently are at there best when they are under 50% tread and i am noticing this with every tyre i look at. All the square edges would be gone on the MTR's i would imagine unless you "scrubed" the BFG's in they would still have fairly square egdes. This to me alone would be enough to say that you testing is slightly inaccurate.

3. You also need to look at the surface of the line you are taking, one month ago it could have have a very clean (or nearly clean surface) and now it may have a fine layer of dust and dirt over it creating a very minor change in how well any tyre grips.

4. Even though you are on "exactly" the same line i have never seen anyone able to drive "exactly" the same line. I am talking cm's and mm's. You may only have the arse end of the car 2 cm's offline but it could be enough to make it react differently.

5. Little things like is your fuel take full or empty, i would imagine that it would be a 40 lt tank, so you could infact have been 40kgs heavier or lighter.

I know all these things sound silly and insignificant but hey it does make a difference.

I myself could not and have never compared tyres like this, people do. But i beleive that what happens one day does not nessesaryily happen the next. Just like when you go out wheeling, someone drives a ledge that no-one else could and then the next time they go out they get denied every time (even though they were trying the same line ). See what i am saying.
After all that i beleive that the MTR is better than the Blue label BFG anyway.

ok from wat u saying here, how come the last 5 or so times Tim has driven this line(not the exact same line i mean its not down to cm's and mm's is it ??) on his MTR's, even tho the trips have been months apart, we have had rain, dry, wind, and all sorts of weather in between and all the other shit, that he has never had side hill issues until the last trip with his BFG's ?


i mean come on............... if yer not biased about tyre brands then y is this getting u all upset, after all its only Tim's opinions and he is just letting people know about them ??

hypozook wrote:JUST INCASE TIM AND I MISLEAD ANY1, THIS IS NOT A LABORATORY TEST SETUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS JUST FROM OUR EXPERIENCE

so if any of the data is slightly incorrect please forgive us

hypozook wrote:all im saying is if u dont give a fark then y get so upset about it ??

jeep97tj wrote:Well after reading the thread, U started it POS by telling tim it was all in his head, try to re word your posts a bit better. most of your replys are "in your face" type, well may be not most but when i see your name thats what i think of this angry aggressive cu*t, but most of the times u were right. It sounds like u know your shit but u just need to chill.

So lets all just cheer up and thank the gods that were not victorians

jeep97tj wrote:Well after reading the thread, U started it POS by telling tim it was all in his head, try to re word your posts a bit better. most of your replys are "in your face" type, well may be not most but when i see your name thats what i think of this angry aggressive cu*t, but most of the times u were right. It sounds like u know your shit but u just need to chill.

So lets all just cheer up and thank the gods that were not victorians

droopypete wrote:

jeep97tj wrote:Well after reading the thread, U started it POS by telling tim it was all in his head, try to re word your posts a bit better. most of your replys are "in your face" type, well may be not most but when i see your name thats what i think of this angry aggressive cu*t, but most of the times u were right. It sounds like u know your shit but u just need to chill.

So lets all just cheer up and thank the gods that were not victorians

You have noticed that our temp is exactly twice yours today (21V42)
Peter.

RUFF wrote:The main reason i replied is because you are trying to do a comparison on tyres yet your only comparing them from memory. Im not doubting your opinion. Thats not possible as its your opinion. Maybe the MTR is better on side slopes the fact is i have not tried to compare the two.

Shorty40 wrote:I dont have Krawlers or MTRs (and if I am not mistaken - I was 1st in Australia to NOT have them).

jeep97tj wrote:Well after reading the thread, U started it POS by telling tim it was all in his head, try to re word your posts a bit better. most of your replys are "in your face" type, well may be not most but when i see your name thats what i think of this angry aggressive cu*t, but most of the times u were right. It sounds like u know your shit but u just need to chill.

So lets all just cheer up and thank the gods that were not victorians

bazooked wrote:bus ride anyone??//

sierrajim wrote:Tony, you're now sponsored by BFG, you may be using these tyres due to them being free, but are more than likely using them because you prefer them to the tyres you have used in the past. All Tim is doing is sharing his expirences with others (although they may be limited on the BFG's as he has pointed out).

bazooked wrote:bus ride anyone??//

NJ SWB wrote:Ruff

I think Bazooked is right. You've unncecessarily inflamed a volatile situation by recklessly offering an opinion.

I propose you ban yourself, then while you're riding the bus have a long hard think about your unacceptably confrontational behaviour.

If you believe you can be better behaved in future you can write yourself an email requesting your ban be lifted, and, if you're lucky, and you believe yourself to be honest and sincere, you might unban yourself before your time is up.

I think this would be good, as it will show all board members that you're completely fair and unbiassed when dealing with sh!t stirrers.



Scott