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Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:48 pm**

yea true, what do ya recon would work on a dual fuel TB42?? rough cost etc i was thinkin of turbo and cam/head work with a rebuild on the rest???

decisions decisions lol

Posted: **Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:58 pm**

Ryan,

well give us a $ figure to work on then...

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:01 am**

Ryan.

Easy way to work on it

Whats your budget?

How FUBAR is your engine now? Still go for nutha 6 mths? Save your coin for the TB mods, and go Supercharger, instant power over a turbo, and would be cheaper to do all up than a 308.

Sell the 308 to pay for bits.

You said you can get donk rebuilt for $0 labour, and just parts, so go with that!

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:07 am**

$$ around 5000ish to start with, im lookin at a rebuild but the motor isnt dead yet, just starting to eat oil and drink water, and getting a little noisy (290,000Klms) no smoke yet tho, been talking to bogged and am thinkin of doing a full rebuild on it myself, only bit i cant do is set the timing right (had lotsa dramas with the L28 in the MQ last time) then either turbo it or supercharge... and with doing 99% myself it brings the price down alot cause of labour etc... i just dont kno what work to do to the TB42 to get it to go, its already got exhaust but thats about all..........

Cheers

Ryan

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:32 am**

Ryan wrote:$$ around 5000ish to start with,

That will get you a rebuild pistons rings cam head work, with change, but wont go the turbo or supercharger.

Rebuild the motor first, then run it in, see what you think of it.. The save some coin and go from there.

Cars are moneypits.

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:44 am**

rebuild the 6 for straight gas, none of this dual fuel compromise shit, just built it to suit gas.

I'm only saying this because it is what I want to do with mine.

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:19 am**

Wendle wrote:rebuild the 6 for straight gas, none of this dual fuel compromise shit, just built it to suit gas.

I'm only saying this because it is what I want to do with mine.

If it's built for gas it should still run OK on premium ULP.

THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR CUBIC INCHES. The 308 gets my vote.

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 8:57 am**

Go the 308

My 350 chev is about to be dropped in and I'm feeling like Big Kev.. A rebuilt TB42 just wouldn't give you the same buzz (or probs

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Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:45 pm**

I agree with the guys above,go the v8.
I dont think its possible to rebuild the original motor and fit a turbo/blower
for $5k or less.
You could build a tuff 308 ,buy the adapter kit and run a straight gas set up for about the $5k mark easy.Engineers cert cost around
$700 in vic.
I got a quote last month
Good luck

Posted: **Wed Aug 27, 2003 7:47 pm**

Ryan,

engineers cert. from emeory have gone upwards big time... Does anyone know what the going rate is in NSW these days? In Sydney particually... mmmm I can sence the MQ getting sprung over :lol:

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:16 am**

My first V8 conversion cost under $2000.00 motor included !!! I started off with a 253 red, it was swaped for a 253 blue then a 308red set up for straight gas. I have just ordered a 350 chev .....there's no substitute for cubic inches..... mmmmm think a 454 might be next !!!
Go to the Marks adapters site and look at the power ratings of motors, theres stuff all difference between the 308 and 350 in horsepower but the diff is huge when it comes to torque.
Contact Sam at "enginemart", he's the cheapest motor supplier in vic
( can do a 350 chev for $1850.00 with all accesories. Motors are fully rebuilt with a 6 month warranty) He carrys just about all makes and models in both petrol and diesel motors
enginemart@hotmail.com or phone 0403 741 708
As for the straight gas setup....be carefull, you cant tip a gerrycan in when you run out !!! I do a few trips to the middle of NSW each year and when you get "out there" there's few gas servos.... in some of the smaller towns you can only get gas on week days cause the depots are shut over the w/ends.....its a big problem if ya straight gas like I was, I made a 38lit fuel tank and squeezed it up out of the way in the patrol ( I run 2 gas tanks as well ) that little tank plus a gerry can saves a heap of worry.
As for the conversion bits, marks adaptors or give Rod a try too at www.rodshop.com.au or Tel (03) 5472 2853
I used the rodshop adaptor for my conversion, cost was under $500.00 for the kit

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2003 3:33 pm**

How about a 2003 7.3 turbo diesel electronic everything, with 4 speed auto gearbox and transfer for 30k

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:56 pm**

engine 2000
flywheel 100
box, 5 speed manual can stay as it is.
clutch 500
electronic dizzy 400
adapter kit 1100
exhaust 500
tacho mod 50
throttle cable 30
rad, fuel ect hoses 100
oil 50

and ad a couple hundred for unexpected and you have just over 5k.
if you go th700rauto, ad about 2- 2.5K to the cost
Time also = Money.

I would definatly go LPG on the 8, build it and camm it for LPG also. and build it with a comp ratio at or above 11.5/-1 , run high octane fuel with booster for aux.

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:28 pm**

If u go the duel fuel setup you must run all polution, canister,egr valve everything to do with the polution of that year/make,
Thats why straight gas is so much easier when it comes to engineering the vehical. Yeh its a pain if ya run out of gas but the desision is entirely up to you.Call the vic roads equivalent in ya state and ask for a list of all passenger car engineers in the area,and give um a call,then you will know were ya stand.
cheers

Posted: **Thu Aug 28, 2003 7:21 pm**

You can have all the solenoids, all the fuel lines,electrical for dual fuel, but leave out the petrol tank and it will pass inspections with flying colors.
when you get home, bolt up the tank and off you go

Jes

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:03 pm**

Info on Sam's enginemart please!!!!

Where - contact #'s etc required....

Cheers!

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:07 pm**

enginemart@hotmail.com or phone 0403 741 708

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:19 pm**

If its that easy in syd jess ill come up there to get mine done.
They know that just dropn the tank is easy and can be re fitted just as easy,so all must be removed.I only have 4 engineers to choose from around my area,and they sound like real hard arses.

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:37 pm**

Its basically the same as Nitrous.
THe gear can be all there, but without the tank its 100% legal,

Also like racing harnesses, they can even be installed, as long as you have seat belts, they are ok.

So what if you have solenoids and lines?

Here is another solution,
Bolt the fuel tank in, leave EVERYTHING in tact but take the fuel line off the carby and run it to your front bumperbar and put a hose fitting on it, just like the one you use for your garden hose. Then get a little sticker that says WATER and place it ontop of your fuel filler location.
Problem solved.

JEs

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:42 pm**

Hey Ryan Anthony Killner has the 4.2 petrol in his GQ for sale, you know from 4WD monthly mag. Spoke to him on the weekend & its still in & running if you want to here it. Would be no probs just bolt in & drive away. Gotta love that. Easy if your nissan is a petrol?

Posted: **Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:44 pm**

I forgot to mention just add turbo stir & hang on!

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2003 5:16 pm**

ok ive opted to go for rebuilding the TB42 (for now)cos to put a v8 in the car would have to be off the road for a while and i cant do that yet, next question, i was quoted $590 for a major rebuild kit, includes these:
full gasket kit and seal kit
rings and bearings
welsh plugs (sp?)
and i havent priced pistons yet (dunno if ill need em either)
is that a good price? can anyone beat it? im in penrith

also is there a difference in kits for dual fuel???

Cheers

Ryan

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2003 6:52 pm**

Didn't know that about the harnesses jes,thanx for the tip.I want to fit them to my mq swb once ive finished painting it.So its legal if the standard belts are still fitted in the vehicle.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:00 am**

Will the TD42 fit straight up to the existing petrol box? or are other parts required?

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:52 am**

TD42 and TB 42 are the same block apparently, so they are interchangable, save the electrics and other crap.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:14 pm**

MQ080 wrote:Will the TD42 fit straight up to the existing petrol box? or are other parts required?

From memory the gearboxes are the same but the diesel and petrol use different bellhousings

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:36 pm**

MKPatrolGuy wrote:
MQ080 wrote:Will the TD42 fit straight up to the existing petrol box? or are other parts required?

From memory the gearboxes are the same but the diesel and petrol use different bellhousings YES !!!!!

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:53 pm**

Ryan wrote:rebuild kit, includes these:
full gasket kit and seal kit
rings and bearings
welsh plugs (sp?)
and i havent priced pistons yet (dunno if ill need em either)
is that a good price? can anyone beat it? im in penrith

Ryan

I priced NIssan parts for a mate the other day TB42, $1800ish was
6 pistons ($6-800 cant remember price list is at home)
6 Sets of rings
Set of Big Ends
Pins and circlips,
All Gaskets, etc

So yea that price aint bad if its nissan kit

Posted: **Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:17 am**

moose wrote:
MKPatrolGuy wrote:
MQ080 wrote:Will the TD42 fit straight up to the existing petrol box? or are other parts required?

From memory the gearboxes are the same but the diesel and petrol use different bellhousings YES !!!!!

Sry to butt in....

So you are saying that you cannot bolt in a TD42 to the petrol gearbag?

So if you were interested in doing the Petrol to Diesel(TD42) swap you would be looking for the gearbag aswell???

I only ask this because I have a 88 petrol and was looking to fit a diesel engine.( Had a diesel prevously and was impressed)

Would it be a cheaper option to just get a diesel patrol?
And then work on it from there???

Thanks.

Taz

Posted: **Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:26 pm**

Ryan wrote:ok ive opted to go for rebuilding the TB42 (for now)cos to put a v8 in the car would have to be off the road for a while and i cant do that yet, next question, i was quoted $590 for a major rebuild kit, includes these:
full gasket kit and seal kit
rings and bearings
welsh plugs (sp?)
and i havent priced pistons yet (dunno if ill need em either)
is that a good price? can anyone beat it? im in penrith
also is there a difference in kits for dual fuel???

Cheers

Ryan

Pick up a second hand TB42 for about $1000, drop it in and then rebuild the old donk at your leisure, I've been doing my old block for 12 months now, got the timing cover off.............

And even brought another complete good TB42 runner for $1200, that's been sitting for 6 months now.

More power/economy, get carby rebuilt by someone who knows what they're doing, not the servo down the road.

2.5 inch sports exhaust & extractors.
Disable the factory rev limiter.

Fit a K&N filter & electronic ignition, Pirana is good value at $280 complete.
Spent the spare cash on a locker or some CLAWS.

I opened up the carby entry to the manifold myself with a die grinder & file to improve flow at high rpm.

And a stock block will do 5500rpm quite happily then, I've seen 6500rpm on mine a few times.

Watch the heads they have a corrosion/cracking problem at the edge of No6 cylinder, so be prepared to pick up a whole motor for a spare head or get the head repaired if you pull it off.

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