The end is nigh for the Patrol!!

[stack]

The current 4.2td does not meet the emissions for 2007, yes there has been a 4.7 twin turbo on the drawing board, but will not get over the line by then.
So Nissan Aus don't know what to do, but the live axels is here to stay.

And as for the 3lt ask the guy that got my trade in at 150k that blow up 5k later on his trip around Aus , they r ok if you drive like a pussy, but drive them hard and they will fail. I am now back in a 4.2td intercooled coli cab 180k later.

[fnqcairns]

Live axles here to stay -Nice if that happens!

I can see the 2015 outer limits Nissan forum post now


"Where can I can buy modified engine mounts for a td4.2 conversion into my 2011 Patrol?"

One thing it probably will have is a catalytic converter.
cheers fnq

[rOd]

I can see the 2015 outer limits Nissan forum post now


"Where can I can buy modified engine mounts for a td4.2 conversion into my 2011 Patrol?"

One thing it probably will have is a catalytic converter.
cheers fnq

I reckon there will be post subjects like, "Which axles to SAS a patrol?".

[phippsey]

Hmmm, imagine us all putting Land Rover Live axle chassis under our patrols in 2011?

Landy's always 30-40 yrs behind in trends

[patrolmad]

As much as I hate IFS, I would much prefer it to Land Rover live axles. I couldn't afford the upkeep.

[phippsey]

As much as I hate IFS, I would much prefer it to Land Rover live axles. I couldn't afford the upkeep.

lol

[rick130]

Hmmm, imagine us all putting Land Rover Live axle chassis under our patrols in 2011?

Landy's always 30-40 yrs behind in trends

yeah right, just like coils all round and full time 4wd in 1970 on the Rangie. When did the GQ come out with coils, let alone the cab/chassis ??.....

[Cokeaddict]

Bring it on Nissan, all sounds suicidal to me. I'll keep my GQ for a long time, does everything i want it to. IFS will definately help increase resale values for me. Besides, by time im ready to sell mine, the so called "do gooders" will have most places off limits for us all. By then, im hoping ive seen all the places i wanted to and move onto a new hobby.

Ange.

[bogged]

Hmmm, imagine us all putting Land Rover Live axle chassis under our patrols in 2011?

Landy's always 30-40 yrs behind in trends

yeah right, just like coils all round and full time 4wd in 1970 on the Rangie. When did the GQ come out with coils, let alone the cab/chassis ??.....

Yea nissan are behind the times, they still havent caught on with the shit electrics, oil leaks and sitting 3inches off center like the defender.

[rick130]

Yea nissan are behind the times, they still havent caught on with the shit electrics, oil leaks and sitting 3inches off center like the defender.

no argument with the electrics and there's nothing wrong with oil leaks, it's rust control ........
BTW, I'm suprised you didn't mention the hand grenade front diff and CV's....

[phippsey]

Yea nissan are behind the times, they still havent caught on with the shit electrics, oil leaks and sitting 3inches off center like the defender.

no argument with the electrics and there's nothing wrong with oil leaks, it's rust control ........
BTW, I'm suprised you didn't mention the hand grenade front diff and CV's....

Yer as a former three time landy owner (plus 3 more in family) I'm more than familar with their "fun parts".

Man if you could have seen the wiring on my S2A. Besides the bolt I had instead of a fuse!

[itchyvet]

The TD42 is a good old donk but grossly outdated. The way I see it is Nissan have no choice but to upgrade it to the move with the times not to mention satisfy emission standards.

Let's hope the replacement is more powerful and just as tough and reliable.

Been keepin tabs on these posts and in particular the remarks ref 4.2 TD.

IMHO, whilst the 4.2TD MAY have advantages with it's simplicityand function, the assertion that it's ancient technology is 100% right on the money.
C'mon fellas, this donk is nothing but a Holden 202 running on diesel with a bolted on intercooler and TC.

To some officiandos, this is what makes it attractive, and in some respects I find myself agreeing with them, especially when I compare an ECU controlled injector pump and Worse, a belt driven overhead cam shaft.

What I'd like to see, is a V 6 around 4.5 litre capacity, intercooled, turbo charged, gear or chain driven over head cams with a much improved and far more reliable ECM and injector pump.

If the Europeans can build stuff like this, I can't see any reason why the Nips can't follow suit.
BOTH, items that do not endear themselves to owners for their long livety.

[itchyvet]

There's something else I forgot to post regards Nissan Donks.

I suspect the company is not really too serious in it's manufacture of these vehicles.
I say this because my experience so far tells me they cannot make up their minds exactly where they wish to go with them and exactly how technological advanced they wish them to be.

For example, the 3 litre has double overhead cams (excellent stuff) and 4 valves per cylinder (again excellent stuff) and MOST important of all, is fitted with SOLID cam followers which in trun are fitted with spinning discs for cam wear,(again very good engineering practise)

Then compare this with the 2.8 Td, which has a BELT driven cam shaft, requiring the replacement at ever 100,000K's, it has only ONE camshaft which is fitted with HYDRAULIC LIFTERS that can and do play up especially if your a bit slack with the oil changes.
Oh, did I mention only two valves per cylinder ?

Then we get to the clunker ( I say that with tongue in cheek, don't want to offend it's many fans) the 4.2
It has a gear driven cam shaft, lasts forever, solid lifters, again last forever, and individual rocker arm assemblies that require adjusting for clearances regularly.

So if you stand back and look at all three models, you get the impression the boys at Nissan are finding it a little difficult to make up their minds as to what exactly it is they wish to build and market.

For my money, they could do a lot worse then bung on another two cylinders to the 3 litre refine the rest of the package somewhat and you'd have a Toyota buster for sure.

[itchyvet]

Probably another thing to bear in mind is the changing attitude towards cars in general, and the market as a whole, over the last 10 - 20 years.

The rapid depreciation of new cars, the record number of people buy NEW cars, banks refusing to finance a car older than 5 -7 years old..........

Are the manufacturers building cars to last, or to sell off the showroom floor?

In the 60s and 70's you'd buy a brand new car and expect to own it for 10 or more years. These days people off load them as soon as the warranty runs out, and they write it off on tax etc.

The market is very diferent these days, and given that Nissan is in the business of SELLING cars, I wouldn't expect the longevity of a Patrol to be a priority in the future. I'd expect more useless gimmicks, and impressive specifications that don't translate to a decent 4wd.

My $0.02

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Good one Barnsey, I'm inclined to agree with yu.