Outer Limits 4x4 Board

CHOPS1 wrote:No wonder these companies pop up out of nowhere making these cheap tools when there are so many people that dont know diddly squat! yes its black and decker, but its not just a name for there dearer tools its actually industrial their range unlike, ryobi, oziti, gmc, and all the rest of these handyman garden shed jobs!

Chop

yep i don't know squat about tools, if i never bought a 4by, my tool kit would still comprise of 2 screwdrivers and a shifter, and only be used to tighten loose furnature . should have taken more of an interest in this stuff before i left home really

ANYWAY. the huge variation was within 1 brand. like there was a makita 4 inch 540 watt grinder for 80 bucks, which was the cheapest makita, and a 4 inch 540 watt makita for 250 bucks... which was the most expensive makita at this shop (only 4-5 inch grinders).. the rest of the range was really scattered through there.

i'll simplify my question now

what is the minimum power motor i should get (4by building, including cutting pipe and chassis), FROM a good brand, made in the "good" countries listed above?

and will i lose much versatility going for a 5 inch?

and i know not to buy cheap tools. what i wanted to know was whether ryobi was considered a cheep brand of tools. i got my answer on that

droopypete wrote:HA HA.
are you ready for your big acting job on Tuesday Mick?
Peter.

Does it involve tools

Mock

If you can afford it get the Makita 4 or 5" with the 1400watt motor
They are super tough and have features built in that basicly mean you cant overload them even if you try.
I have the 5" and it is the best tool in my shed.

droopypete wrote:

Patroler wrote:,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill -

Don't they sell Festo near you
Peter.

Can't say ive seen much of it (electrical)? most of the festo stuff ive seen is pneaumatic, i know its pretty good stuff tho, do they actually make the electric stuff themselves? I know that milwaukee electric(red) AEG(Blue) and atlas copco are all the same thing.

I currently have a 4" Bosche, 5" Makita & 8"(?) Ryobi.
the Ryobi just feels cheap compared to the other 2.
The boache I've abused for many years and is only now starting to get a bit dodgy...The makita is SOOO smooth it's a dream to use.

Personally standing in a queue replacing $20 GMC/Artec/Ozthing/other cheapo isn't worth the effort.....plus you can feel the difference - 30minutes plsus straight use with a poorly dampnered unit is tingle city......

Wooders wrote:I currently have a 4" Bosche, 5" Makita & 8"(?) Ryobi.
the Ryobi just feels cheap compared to the other 2.
The boache I've abused for many years and is only now starting to get a bit dodgy...The makita is SOOO smooth it's a dream to use.

Personally standing in a queue replacing $20 GMC/Artec/Ozthing/other cheapo isn't worth the effort.....plus you can feel the difference - 30minutes plsus straight use with a poorly dampnered unit is tingle city......

so wooders, if you could only have 1, would ya pick the 4 or 5 inch (regardless of brand)

Probably the 4"......it does 99% of the stuff of the 5"....but MUCH easier to handle and use in tight spots.....Infact there's been several times that I've had to put the 5" to one side becuase it wouldn't fit where I wanted to use it......
And with the 1mm cutting wheels the 4" does not cutting jobs easy.
For larger grinding the bigg one is still king - but just takes a biot longer with the smaller grinder....SO IMHO 4".....

I`d go an AEG or Hitachi with anti vibration handles, theyre the good sh1t. Ryobi is K-marts brand, made for the home handyman or once-a-year user.

I used to buy cheap new stuff - I am not a pro, but I got sick of not only them failing, but no parts availability like batteries for cordless tools And my 9.6V Makita is more powerful than my old GMC 18V (which went into the bin when both batteries died together)

I now buy all my tools from Cash Converters, like Makita 4" grinder, Makita 9.6V cordless drill, Hitachi power drill, Makita sander, Sidchrome socket set.

You can get a real bargain but be careful of cordless stuff with bad batteries.

I would rather a second hand Makita than a new cheapo.

And a lot of the stuff looks rough but cleans up well.

Unfortunately I would suspect a lot of the trade tools at Cash Converters have been pinched off sites or the back of utes....

Patroler wrote:

droopypete wrote:

Patroler wrote:,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill -

Don't they sell Festo near you
Peter.

Can't say ive seen much of it (electrical)? most of the festo stuff ive seen is pneaumatic, i know its pretty good stuff tho, do they actually make the electric stuff themselves? I know that milwaukee electric(red) AEG(Blue) and atlas copco are all the same thing.

Festo also sell electrical tools under the name "pro-tool" i think its slightly cheaper quality, but slightly cheaper than Festool is still preety good. I used one of there rotary hammer/jackhammer for a year or so and i had no dramas with it.

Didn't read much of the thread but I only buy Makita power tools, dad's Mak grinder lasted over twenty years, funny how it died the week after he was mentioning how good it had been and that if it died now he wouldn't care..

The only electrical tool I have that isn't makita is my steel drop saw, I bought a GMC to only use to build my tray. They are so handy, when this thing dies I WILL replace it with a Makita unit.

mickyd555 wrote:

Patroler wrote:

droopypete wrote:

Patroler wrote:,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill -

Don't they sell Festo near you
Peter.

Can't say ive seen much of it (electrical)? most of the festo stuff ive seen is pneaumatic, i know its pretty good stuff tho, do they actually make the electric stuff themselves? I know that milwaukee electric(red) AEG(Blue) and atlas copco are all the same thing.

Festo also sell electrical tools under the name "pro-tool" i think its slightly cheaper quality, but slightly cheaper than Festool is still preety good. I used one of there rotary hammer/jackhammer for a year or so and i had no dramas with it.

Yes, Festo make all their tools in Germany, they are the top of line, nothing better, features like electronic speed control on nealy all the tools, this is a great feature when working with plastics and acrylic, you can turn the speed way down and not burn the crap out of it.

Protool is a brand owned by festool but made in eastern europe (still great quality, I own a few of them as well).
but to answer B/R's question, get either a Makita or a hitachi 4", both brands have a few models to pick from so get the best you can afford, and don't forget your safety gear, those puppys can hurt you.
Peter.

in year 11 wood work, I remember the teacher bought a festo router and boy was she in love with it, I'd never heard of them until then, but was good to use.

on a similar topic? how do people who have used air powerd grinders find they compare to the convetional electric grinders?

droopypete wrote:

mickyd555 wrote:

Patroler wrote:

droopypete wrote:

Patroler wrote:,most other power tools i buy are the best i can get, makita planer, circular saw, bosch 1010w professional impact drill -

Don't they sell Festo near you
Peter.

Can't say ive seen much of it (electrical)? most of the festo stuff ive seen is pneaumatic, i know its pretty good stuff tho, do they actually make the electric stuff themselves? I know that milwaukee electric(red) AEG(Blue) and atlas copco are all the same thing.

Festo also sell electrical tools under the name "pro-tool" i think its slightly cheaper quality, but slightly cheaper than Festool is still preety good. I used one of there rotary hammer/jackhammer for a year or so and i had no dramas with it.

Yes, Festo make all their tools in Germany, they are the top of line, nothing better, features like electronic speed control on nealy all the tools, this is a great feature when working with plastics and acrylic, you can turn the speed way down and not burn the crap out of it.

Protool is a brand owned by festool but made in eastern europe (still great quality, I own a few of them as well).
but to answer B/R's question, get either a Makita or a hitachi 4", both brands have a few models to pick from so get the best you can afford, and don't forget your safety gear, those puppys can hurt you.
Peter.

already got all the gear... from the last makita i killed :(

NJ SWB wrote:I think Ryobi have gone down-market in recent years. I have only one Ryobi tool (12V drill) and I'm not that impressed with it.

Lately I've been buying Bosch tools, and have no complaints with any of them (OK - the chuck on the hammer drill loosens off if the bit hits something hard.) Last workshop I was in had a selection of grinders from 4" up. I think the nicest one was a 5" Bosch blue.

Ryobi vs Makita? I know of tradies using Makita - how many tradies use Ryobi?

Scott

I've got an old ryobi mitre saw, (25 yrs old) its all solid metal, its only used for cutting metal now, but was used every day for at least 10 years, i dont even think the brushes have been changed still going strong. Also got a ryobi laminex trimmer, that has been absolutely abused and still going well, most of their new stuff is only handyman crap, but thats the same for most brands out there you'll probably be good with a 4" makita one, but if ya want to cut the back off your 40 i'll lend ya my 9" makita

Polar_Bear wrote:

NJ SWB wrote:I think Ryobi have gone down-market in recent years. I have only one Ryobi tool (12V drill) and I'm not that impressed with it.

Lately I've been buying Bosch tools, and have no complaints with any of them (OK - the chuck on the hammer drill loosens off if the bit hits something hard.) Last workshop I was in had a selection of grinders from 4" up. I think the nicest one was a 5" Bosch blue.

Ryobi vs Makita? I know of tradies using Makita - how many tradies use Ryobi?

Scott

I've got an old ryobi mitre saw, (25 yrs old) its all solid metal, its only used for cutting metal now, but was used every day for at least 10 years, i dont even think the brushes have been changed still going strong. Also got a ryobi laminex trimmer, that has been absolutely abused and still going well, most of their new stuff is only handyman crap, but thats the same for most brands out there you'll probably be good with a 4" makita one, but if ya want to cut the back off your 40 i'll lend ya my 9" makita

i might just hold you to that... although the back does unbolt

might use it to trim my front chassis rails down a bit though

AdrianGQ wrote:my personal preferance would be a hitachi (spelling) 5 inch

I agree, the hitachi's are just about impossible to kill.
Makitas ar good though, but don't last quite as long.

I've got a 540W (or 560W) Makita angle grinder (115mm model?) and it's too gutless IMHO and bogs down too easily. Get something powerful.

murcod wrote:I've got a 540W (or 560W) Makita angle grinder (115mm model?) and it's too gutless IMHO and bogs down too easily. Get something powerful.

what are you cutting with it? my old one went through the chassis with a regular cutting disk and didn't bog... but then again, 6 months later it burst into flames going through a u bolt

i'll be looking at something more gutsy.

Personally i like the 5", when my 14" Makita dropsaw blades wear down too much I put them on my 30 year old Black and Decker 9" and when they get down a bit more they fit the 4.5 or 5". The 4" has a smaller centre.
I do the same with the 9" grinding disc's.
J Top

bad_religion_au wrote:

murcod wrote:I've got a 540W (or 560W) Makita angle grinder (115mm model?) and it's too gutless IMHO and bogs down too easily. Get something powerful.

what are you cutting with it? my old one went through the chassis with a regular cutting disk and didn't bog... but then again, 6 months later it burst into flames going through a u bolt

i'll be looking at something more gutsy.

Square tubing with 2-3mm walls and 15- 20mm cross section. I was using one of those extra thin Flexovit cutting disks and it was bogging down. I guess that's what you get for around $120.

I don't use it often luckily but wish I had bought a more powerful one.

I've had both brands before, and have now settled on AEG the are the shit