Outer Limits 4x4 Board

bogged wrote:

Ruffy wrote:If you lights interfere with your forward vision at a point further than 11 metres on the road from your seating position then yes they're illegal in victoria.

whats the Ariel rule 35mm isnt it? if its more than 35mm round, its also illegal, somethign like that

30mm for aerials, ladder racks etc.

grazza wrote:So you must be a hunter, have a competition car or a farmer. Why else would you need lights on the roof.

nah, it called ego, wank factor, and the ability to put about 10 lux at 2.5 kilometres.

Chucky wrote:

bogged wrote:

Ruffy wrote:If you lights interfere with your forward vision at a point further than 11 metres on the road from your seating position then yes they're illegal in victoria.

whats the Ariel rule 35mm isnt it? if its more than 35mm round, its also illegal, somethign like that

I've been thinking abit about this lately and couldn't the ariel moving backwards and forwards in the wind give a false speed to cops speed laser?


sorry about the hijack,

The radar detects a the greater mass and also averages flucution like that. Something flicking back and forth is still travelling forward at the same average speed as the vehicle.

The police hand held Laser/radars have a very narrow beam, about a metre wide at the target area so an arial is not going to affect it.

It also allows individual vehicles to be picked out of the traffic.

it's illegal (in NSW) to have fog lights AND headlights on at the same time. It's also a $72 fine to drive with wanker lights on (under bumper fog lights) with the headlights on.

I'm in Brisbane, and the QLD transport modifcation guide for vehicles under 4.5 tonne ( http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... an05v2.pdf ) says "Additional PAIRS of headlights...may be fitted and must not affect the driver’s view. The headlights must be mounted symmetrically."

Regardless of the mention of "pairs" in the QLD Transport guide (which I suspect may be laxed somewhat), I am intending on mounting 3 spotlights (2 spreads and one pencil/spot) IPF900XS (http://www.arb.com.au/IPF_AU_900XS.php), but I'm wondering if others have used THREE (3) spotlights in this arrangement and if there is benefit to this (however minor); OR is there no additional benefit compared to running two (2) lights (e.g. one spread, one pencil)? I'm not keen on other lights except the other lights I'm considering are Cibie Oscar SC's which no one seems to talk about - why? (http://www.4x4store.com.au/Cibie-Oscar- ... 25165.html)

Also, does anyone know if the H9 globes used in the IPF900's are durable and likely cost of replacement in comparison to, say, comparable lamps which use H1 globes? Also why are IPF900XS the only light (that I can see - excuse pun) that uses H9 globes?

Pete

I had IPFs and replaced with Cibie Super Oscar ... thought they were b---dy good with 100w lamps, then added HIDs to them (35w 6000k) and turned them into f-----g awesome. The light output is fantastic and improved the lights heaps.
Try a cheaper light and add HIDs, overall not much more than a good pair of lights with 100w lamps, wiring, relays etc...

I have found that the two HID lights make so much light that only two will be required. Save your money, just put two good lights on.

ALSO to stop theft... I fitted split pins through the mounting bolts, and use hose clamps to steady the top of the lights. Makes it look harder, so the thieves seem to leave them alone and look elsewhere.

RRturboD wrote:
ALSO to stop theft... I fitted split pins through the mounting bolts, and use hose clamps to steady the top of the lights. Makes it look harder, so the thieves seem to leave them alone and look elsewhere.

Any chance of seeing a pic of this?

Patrolden wrote:it's illegal (in NSW) to have fog lights AND headlights on at the same time. It's also a $72 fine to drive with wanker lights on (under bumper fog lights) with the headlights on.

I HATE people who drive with these wank lights on all the time... it creats so much glare....

So, I create glare for them Two wrongs don't make a right, but I feel good

Ruffy wrote:

Chucky wrote:

bogged wrote:

Ruffy wrote:If you lights interfere with your forward vision at a point further than 11 metres on the road from your seating position then yes they're illegal in victoria.

whats the Ariel rule 35mm isnt it? if its more than 35mm round, its also illegal, somethign like that

I've been thinking abit about this lately and couldn't the ariel moving backwards and forwards in the wind give a false speed to cops speed laser?


sorry about the hijack,

The radar detects a the greater mass and also averages flucution like that. Something flicking back and forth is still travelling forward at the same average speed as the vehicle.

Whilst this may be true, there is no 100% proof that it wont affect it so if you took it to court it is possible to get off.

Things like birds, metal fences/gates, and other items have been ussed to discredit radar readings. (a guy at my old work was the "expert witness" at a trial a number of years ago that caused all of victorias radar guns to be taken off the road for a few months, and at many trials since then)

I know of a specific case where a guy got off as the police prosecution could not prove that a light plane doing touch n go landings on a paddock runway 50 mt from the road around the time when this person was pinged had not interfered with the reading. It was deemed possible but unlikely. the fact that it was possible meant that it didn't stick. Got off scott free.

Well almost, the expert witness costs $1200 for every day in court and the lawyer costs similar. but if you need your license and your gonna lose it..........

bogged wrote:

Ruffy wrote:Define illegal?
In victoria you can mounts lights where ever you want as long as you stick to the guidelines refering to light reflection and deflection/drivers feild of view. This is the only thing that limits there location.

the bacon/vicroads are what limit the location - they tell u one thing, then do something else.
Been mentioned plenty of times before, that lights were limited to 1200mm from the ground regardless of front or rear.

The ADR's were recently changed in relation to lighting, there is no longer a specification for a maximum lighting hight, so they cannot defect you for them anymore, unless the states modification guidlines specify something.


In QLD they(QLD Transport) are no long defecting vehicles for lights on the roll bar. Cops might still defect you for it but it will be cleared when you do your inspection at qld transport.

What they can get you on, is that you can only have a maximum of 3 sets of forward facing driving lights. I think its 3, might be 4?

My HJ60 has 4 lights factory(2sets), so i can only have 1 (maybe 2?) sets of extra driving lights.

LuckyLegs wrote:I'm in Brisbane, and the QLD transport modifcation guide for vehicles under 4.5 tonne ( http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/LTAS ... an05v2.pdf ) says "Additional PAIRS of headlights...may be fitted and must not affect the driver’s view. The headlights must be mounted symmetrically."

Regardless of the mention of "pairs" in the QLD Transport guide (which I suspect may be laxed somewhat), I am intending on mounting 3 spotlights (2 spreads and one pencil/spot) IPF900XS (http://www.arb.com.au/IPF_AU_900XS.php), but I'm wondering if others have used THREE (3) spotlights in this arrangement and if there is benefit to this (however minor); OR is there no additional benefit compared to running two (2) lights (e.g. one spread, one pencil)? I'm not keen on other lights except the other lights I'm considering are Cibie Oscar SC's which no one seems to talk about - why? (http://www.4x4store.com.au/Cibie-Oscar- ... 25165.html)

Also, does anyone know if the H9 globes used in the IPF900's are durable and likely cost of replacement in comparison to, say, comparable lamps which use H1 globes? Also why are IPF900XS the only light (that I can see - excuse pun) that uses H9 globes?

Pete

The QLD transport modification guidline used to make special mention of the single headlight instead of a pair. It stated it had to be mounted in the center of the vehicle.

Since it is no longer listed I guess they could deem your vehicle not to com-ply with the modification guidlines, but you could just say "it used to say it" and qld transport guys would probably be ok with that.

The new commodores also use a h9 globe. The h9 and h11 spec is very new and whilst currently there are no aftermarket ones available they will come through in the near future I would imagine.

I cant imagine they would be less durable than a H1 globe, and my 130watt H1 globes have yet to be replaced in my IPF800's. And they are over 2 years old.

Thanks Shadow. I suppose it can be argued. I didn't know they use to say single headlight, so it's good artilary to plead adherence to the current word "symmetrical" (i.e. equally spaced), as "pairs" seems arbitary, or - I thought - just written that way to be colloquial. I tried calling them today but their phones constantly engaged. Try again tomorrow.

Yep ARB in the US told me H9's are quite available in the US but didn't know about here, so thanks for the futuristic tip. Just don't really want to know I'd have to go traypsing back to ARB each time a need a globe in the bush!

Still wondering about the Cibie Oscar SC's though.

Cheers mate,
Pete.

I've put the top clamps to the bar, saving removing them when I take the bar off. I ran the clamps back to the top of the grill (under the bonnet) on my last RR. Here is the pic to illustrate the fitting. I had a couple of stainless clamps, so cut them for the task.
At the clamp bolt I just drilled a hole near the end of the thread, and when bolted place, fitted the split pin. If you use a smaller one you can still fit a socket over it for light adjustment.
As another aside... remember that with every light you need to supply the electricity... I prefer the lower load/support required by the HIDs.

Finally spoke to QLD transport modifications. They advised that 'spotlights' are defined as "accessories", and the wording in their modifications guide about "pairs" applies to additional sets of "headlights", not spotlights. Therefore they say that you can run as many lights as you want (pairs or triples or whatever) just so long as they don't restrict vision or protrude as a hazard.