Outer Limits 4x4 Board

POS wrote: Portals are not allowed in Pro Mod.

are you sure? i'm just looking at the rules and it says

we rock wrote:5.1.1: All axle widths, Live Axles, Solid axles, Independent, Military style drop in axles are acceptable. Portals are acceptable.

is that right or do those rules need to be updated?
Michael

redzook wrote: in theory do harder shit? most of there courses are the same

the courses are the same, but it's usually accepted that the unlimited will take full advantage of the bonus lines, where the promods, a higher percentage probably won't.

as for attention... nothing grabs attention like that ABT buggy so far. again, this is just conjecture on my part

crokie83 wrote:

POS wrote: Portals are not allowed in Pro Mod.

are you sure? i'm just looking at the rules and it says

we rock wrote:5.1.1: All axle widths, Live Axles, Solid axles, Independent, Military style drop in axles are acceptable. Portals are acceptable.

is that right or do those rules need to be updated?
Michael

Micheal you are correct Portals were introduced last year to this W.E.Rock class. Although UROC still do not allow Portals in their equivelent class.

bad_religion_au wrote:as for attention... nothing grabs attention like that ABT buggy so far. again, this is just conjecture on my part

To you and to me I Agrea because we both know what has gone into it and we enjoy the sport but to the average Spectator the only reason it attracts Attention is because its shiney and loud. Other than that they have no idea what it is or how it relates to the vehicle they 4wd in. Where as a Pro-Mod like mine has a huge relation to what lots of people drive. You would be suprised how many spectators comment on how good my Hilux looks and who did the tube rear end on it.

In my experiance Sponsors outside the Hardcore Scene prefer to sponsor vehicles the average Joe can relate to.

bad_religion_au wrote:[
the courses are the same, but it's usually accepted that the unlimited will take full advantage of the bonus lines, where the promods, a higher percentage probably won't.

Previously in Australia the courses have been the same for both classes because there realy wasnt a lot seperating the classes in the way of capabilities but now with so many more builders getting in on it the playing field is fast seperating. The last round we ran every vehicle over the same courses on the Sat and we found that the majority of the Pro-Mods were struggling to do the Bonus lines or simply were not even attempting them. So on the Sunday the Pro-Mods ran slightly different lines to the Unlimiteds. Basicaly there were 3 lines in some sections and where the Pro-Mod had a bonus line this was the Unlimiteds Normal line. The good thing about this is that although the Unlimiteds didnt get a bonus on the Pro-Mods Bonus line the Pro-Mods could still take an Unlimited line and collect the bonus for that as well. Remember there are 2 classes and there will never be an Outright winner.

Im pretty sure we will continue to run the slightly different lines for Pro-Mod and Unlimited. In the US the Pro-Mods have Different lines than the Unlimiteds.

pro-mod or unlimited

Pro-mod

RUFF wrote:

bad_religion_au wrote:as for attention... nothing grabs attention like that ABT buggy so far. again, this is just conjecture on my part

To you and to me I Agrea because we both know what has gone into it and we enjoy the sport but to the average Spectator the only reason it attracts Attention is because its shiney and loud. Other than that they have no idea what it is or how it relates to the vehicle they 4wd in. Where as a Pro-Mod like mine has a huge relation to what lots of people drive. You would be suprised how many spectators comment on how good my Hilux looks and who did the tube rear end on it.

In my experiance Sponsors outside the Hardcore Scene prefer to sponsor vehicles the average Joe can relate to.

Just say that every rig in Tuff Truck had a space frame under the body and they all competed with their bodies removed -- would the spectators enjoy it as much?
My guess is they would not.

The first moon buggy was exciting because it was different to anything built before and it pushed the boundaries of the sport. Now many people who have been around the sport are more-or-less used to them the novelty is wearing off. Even though the buggies all vary in build and componentry they look similar.

If unlimited class buggies were required to run some sort of outer shell to vaguely resemble a production, or even a fantasy vehicle, would spectators enjoy it more? Maybe. I reckon I would.

Character is what it is all about. Somewhere, I saw a buggy that had some front panels mimicking a sharks mouth and gills. I reckon that’s a good idea. It gives spectators an identifiable entity to barrack for, or against. It’s something to make it stand out from it’s competitors. You don’t have to create something that the crowd loves, something that the crowd dislikes and jeers is just as effective. It all encourages a crowd reaction which equates to entertainment.

My favourite rig at WE Rock Bathurst: The green Zook with mogs.

If someone really wanted to there is nothing stopping them spending 100K on a Pro Mod buggy and absolutly spanking everything in its class.

Unless you just wanted to blow that sort of coin, just the sake of it, there`s really no point going to that expense. In Oz anyway. There`s no contracts to be won in the sum of what we`ve seen from our friendly yanky friends are accustomed to. So unless your already filthy rich, why would you want to blow it. To do the most basic setups for Pro class, if you build it yourself, you shouldnt have to spend much more than 25k.

O.K he's a Question for you's when we build our buggie it will have portals and the ability for 4 wheel steer but if its locked off can we use these diffs under a pro mod vehicle, as we only want to build the drive train once then later on l can build a new frame ans bigger boots if we want to go unlimited. Cheers.

As long as the steering is disabled it wont be a problem.

COOl thanks Tony.

Sorry dont quote me on that but that is my understanding on the rules.

Atlas 4 speed would be wasted in a comp buggy... too long, too heavy, too complicated.

What they really need to make is an Atlas 1 speed for comp buggies! Just low and neutral... nice and short, compact, simple, strong...

S.

FireTruck wrote:Atlas 4 speed would be wasted in a comp buggy... too long, too heavy, too complicated.

What they really need to make is an Atlas 1 speed for comp buggies! Just low and neutral... nice and short, compact, simple, strong...

S.

Shane i was talking to someone in the states while i was over there and there is a company testing one now. Its not an atlas but it was a single speed case. Not even sure on who the company was sorry. But there is one on its way to the Market place soon.

...bound to happen, I'd be interested in more info when it turns up.

S.

might be another variable from STAK as they seem to be doing stuff that offroaders are acctually after.

nottie wrote:might be another variable from STAK as they seem to be doing stuff that offroaders are acctually after.

Yep they are suppling everything but the right price