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I take it you realise the coily is a chain driven t/case and wont accept the rock hopper gears. You will need to swap in an earlier model t/case

grimbo wrote:I take it you realise the coily is a chain driven t/case and wont accept the rock hopper gears. You will need to swap in an earlier model t/case

'course he does

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yes Grimbo I got a 90 mod case , arms and jack shaft from the wanted sect on this site $250, just waiting for calmini to ship the gears . Most of my other mods are now done so the rockcrawler should finish it off. I will post some photos of my favorite toy soon. Any way has anybody had billet gears fail like the photos in this thread ?????????

nelligen wrote:Any way has anybody had billet gears fail like the photos in this thread ?????????

I'm aware of an S1 destructing as recently as late last year (fitted not very long before then)... I think i was told that it dropped some teeth but i'm not 100% on that.

The unit was replaced on warranty - but the owner decided to pay a little extra and upgrade to an s3 instead - so far he is very happy with this new unit.

hey guys my s1 destructed last year lost quit a few teeth, had it replaced under warranty and upgraded to the series 3 just payin the price difference.. .(thanks liam...). any hows i no why the s1 destructed..

Why ???
I know why minie died as well .. just curious if its the same reason .. PM me if you like ..

bazooked wrote:hey guys my s1 destructed last year lost quit a few teeth, had it replaced under warranty and upgraded to the series 3 just payin the price difference.. .(thanks liam...). any hows i no why the s1 destructed..

Are you going to let us in on it then???????????????

Yeah my Series 3 has stripped some teeth from multiple gears, and it also blew the case apart.

Has anyone else stripped gears, teeth or blown a case up yet with Series 3 Gears in it???

tuffzuk wrote:Yeah my Series 3 has stripped some teeth from multiple gears, and it also blew the case apart.

How did this happen? Did you install it yourself?

How long have you had the series 3 for? (Just wondering if it is from the newer source of japan (from March 2002 onwards) of if it was from before then)...

This rockhopper didnt make it either ...

Tuff zuke, any chance of you telling the full story?

Your case was leaking oil...when it got pulled apart to replace a poorly fitted seal it reportedly contained muddy water. You forgot to mention this...like now your forgetting to mention the cracked case.... Your case has been inspected by quite a few experts now who have all pointed out two things 1) the input shaft is well and truly trashed on the smooth section- pointing to the case breaking first and secondly the case has bright and dark sections on the breaks- It's existing damage, we went through this with you.

We've done everything we can to help. If there was a legitimate problem we'd look after you, any legitimate problems have been sorted immeadiately at our expense.

Theres guys running a lot bigger motors, lower diff gears and bigger tyres who have nothing but good things to say.

I understand your upset that you'll be needing a new transfer but attempting to besmirch Rockhopper wont do you any favours.

THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED POST.
I had a S1 for a while with a 1.6, 29"muds and standard diff gears (Airlockers) I thrashed the guts out of it, 3rd gear chirpies all the time, no mercy, it was always louder than the stock T/C but allways the same amount of loud it never got any worse, it is now in my fathers LWB, 1.3 W/T 29"muds and standard diff gearsn (welded rear) he doesn't abuse the car like me, but it works all day on the farm and is still going strong.
I replaced the S1 with a S3 (what happened to the S2? ) when I fitted 5.125:1 diff gears, it was noticablely quieter than the S1 and I still drive the same way and have had no problems with it at all ( it was jumping out of low range early on, but since relacing a mount, this problem has not resurfaced).
A word of advice, if you want to run a 6:1 tranfer and 5.125:1 diff gears, get a set of 38"tyres for the road or be happy at 75 KPH otherwise you will wear your engine out plenty quick, 100KPH @ 4500ish (yes I am talking from experiance$$$$)
Peter.

Hey droopy pete, you know how you said you have trashed your series 1 over the past years, i was just wondering would do you think if you would accidently drop the clutch in 2 high, 4 high or 4 low, if its from a standing start or if you are already moving, or if you would pull seconds or thirds as you said that you do chirpies in 3rd gear? (this is with a series 1 or 3) What do you think would happen with the series 1 or 3?

Have you ever done this with your series 1 or 3?

I was just wondering as i am thinking of buying a series 1 or 3 as i am upgrading to a a set of 33's from a set of 30's, and wonder what would happen to the series 3 or series 1?

Does anyone alse have any comments about this question?

thanks

My comment is

"That is one confusing post"

joe jones wrote:Hey droopy pete, you know how you said you have trashed your series 1 over the past years, i was just wondering would do you think if you would accidently drop the clutch in 2 high, 4 high or 4 low, if its from a standing start or if you are already moving, or if you would pull seconds or thirds as you said that you do chirpies in 3rd gear? (this is with a series 1 or 3) What do you think would happen with the series 1 or 3?

Have you ever done this with your series 1 or 3?

I was just wondering as i am thinking of buying a series 1 or 3 as i am upgrading to a a set of 33's from a set of 30's, and wonder what would happen to the series 3 or series 1?

Does anyone alse have any comments about this question?

thanks

My only comment on the question is what the hell are you talking about?

I usually find that questions in English get the best response from this board, give it a go and you might be surprised at the results

joe jones wrote:Hey droopy pete, you know how you said you have trashed your series 1 over the past years, i was just wondering would do you think if you would accidently drop the clutch in 2 high, 4 high or 4 low, if its from a standing start or if you are already moving, or if you would pull seconds or thirds as you said that you do chirpies in 3rd gear? (this is with a series 1 or 3) What do you think would happen with the series 1 or 3?

Have you ever done this with your series 1 or 3?

I was just wondering as i am thinking of buying a series 1 or 3 as i am upgrading to a a set of 33's from a set of 30's, and wonder what would happen to the series 3 or series 1?

Does anyone alse have any comments about this question?

thanks

I will give it a go,
The series 1, clutch drop on 33's pulling 5th low if you intentionaly rip seconds or even forths will mulitply by 5.125:1 = high range giving you,
1. standing start, or
2. rolling start!
As you can plainly see all seven options are of course, irelivant as the series 3, with 3 high combined with 2 low FWD give a much better conversion and is far better suited to your aplication, unless your front right axle is a left rear door handle then it is all out the window (right hand front of course).
I hope this helps.
Peter.

Anyone got a melways?

I think i am lost

I think Pete has hit it right on the head with that answer. brief and to the point and not a dull point but a sharp one too. I think the time spent with a South Korean translating Greek into English has proved to be of some worth.

Joe Jones, welcome to the board and sorry to be a bit smart on your first post, but I am in my togs by the pool at the Shangri-La hotel in Singapore my hair still wet from performing half pikes on the high board
I would love to answer your question but I dont compleatly understand it, please Tonka.
Peter.
ps as my limo to the airport is ariving in about 2 mins, my reply may have to wait untill tommorow.

droopypete wrote:

joe jones wrote:Hey droopy pete, you know how you said you have trashed your series 1 over the past years, i was just wondering would do you think if you would accidently drop the clutch in 2 high, 4 high or 4 low, if its from a standing start or if you are already moving, or if you would pull seconds or thirds as you said that you do chirpies in 3rd gear? (this is with a series 1 or 3) What do you think would happen with the series 1 or 3?

Have you ever done this with your series 1 or 3?

I was just wondering as i am thinking of buying a series 1 or 3 as i am upgrading to a a set of 33's from a set of 30's, and wonder what would happen to the series 3 or series 1?

Does anyone alse have any comments about this question?

thanks

I will give it a go,
The series 1, clutch drop on 33's pulling 5th low if you intentionaly rip seconds or even forths will mulitply by 5.125:1 = high range giving you,
1. standing start, or
2. rolling start!
As you can plainly see all seven options are of course, irelivant as the series 3, with 3 high combined with 2 low FWD give a much better conversion and is far better suited to your aplication, unless your front right axle is a left rear door handle then it is all out the window (right hand front of course).
I hope this helps.
Peter.

funniest thing i have heard in a while

Drained the oil yesterday, there was 1/4 of a tooth stuck to the plug.
Gonna get the lads in Vibration analysis to do a complete survey on the entire vehicle, will pinpoint the problem to either bearing or gear failure whilst in motion.

I'm a bit nervous asking this after all the crap thats happening about this subject, but I am interseted in getting a set of rock hoppers for my 92 sierra, and am now unsure what would be best.

I was initally thinking of getting a series 1 mainly to get back my high way speed, and also because most of my off roading is on beaches where I still need good momentum in low range to get through sand. I'm worried that a series 3 will reduce my speed in low range too much for sand, and increase my revs too much on the highwayl(I have 31's, 4in lift) But now I am also worried that the series 1 isn't as strong as the series 3 and it might break....

Now I have no intentions of using my zuk to break the sound barrier or lift it's wheels off the ground when I take off in 2wd, but it does get a bit of a workout (nothing too extraordinary)and does some pretty long distances in 4wd. So I would like to know what series rock hopper would be better for my situation, and if the series 1 is suggested is it strong enough.
Thanks again.

emkate wrote:I'm a bit nervous asking this after all the crap thats happening about this subject, but I am interseted in getting a set of rock hoppers for my 92 sierra, and am now unsure what would be best.

I was initally thinking of getting a series 1 mainly to get back my high way speed, and also because most of my off roading is on beaches where I still need good momentum in low range to get through sand. I'm worried that a series 3 will reduce my speed in low range too much for sand, and increase my revs too much on the highwayl(I have 31's, 4in lift) But now I am also worried that the series 1 isn't as strong as the series 3 and it might break....

Now I have no intentions of using my zuk to break the sound barrier or lift it's wheels off the ground when I take off in 2wd, but it does get a bit of a workout (nothing too extraordinary)and does some pretty long distances in 4wd. So I would like to know what series rock hopper would be better for my situation, and if the series 1 is suggested is it strong enough.
Thanks again.

I have found the series 3 perfect on road with 31's and 3.7 diffs. 3600rpm @100k's. however I feel in low range it will be to low for sand/beach driving (you will just have to change between low & high more often) or the series 1 might suit you more if your not keen on using high on the beach. I think the new series 1's are strong enough but apparently getting hard to find as the demand for them has dropped to the point that production has stopped. Check with Liam. Calmini still make the 4.16 if you can wait for them.

emkate wrote:I'm a bit nervous asking this after all the crap thats happening about this subject, but I am interseted in getting a set of rock hoppers for my 92 sierra, and am now unsure what would be best.

I was initally thinking of getting a series 1 mainly to get back my high way speed, and also because most of my off roading is on beaches where I still need good momentum in low range to get through sand. I'm worried that a series 3 will reduce my speed in low range too much for sand, and increase my revs too much on the highwayl(I have 31's, 4in lift) But now I am also worried that the series 1 isn't as strong as the series 3 and it might break....

Now I have no intentions of using my zuk to break the sound barrier or lift it's wheels off the ground when I take off in 2wd, but it does get a bit of a workout (nothing too extraordinary)and does some pretty long distances in 4wd. So I would like to know what series rock hopper would be better for my situation, and if the series 1 is suggested is it strong enough.
Thanks again.

I was thinking like you and ordered 4.16 then after driving somebody elses series 3 I decided to go half way and changed my order to 5.14 from calmini , these give 18.3% in high and 127% in low , calmini have assured me all there gear sets are made from the same bilet material and dont break like the old series 1 sets that were welded.