Outer Limits 4x4 Board

My 302EFI windsor conversion came in at under $3500 including motor. Done it all with mates.

LudaCris

yes the soarer one can be done but the succes rate is about 50/50 on exactly the same age cars (i look at lextreme dayly)

noone realy knows why or what but some have all sorts of fault codes and running problems when u trick em to think they are in park or neutal
so for all the hassle buy the cheaper motor and put the extra money into making it run better

just go chev, conversion cheap: aftermarket parts heaps: fuel shite but what isnn't in a 4x4:go gas .any other eng is waste of time.

well if i was gona go for a chev say a 350 how much should i budget for an engine?? where should i look???
also which holdens have the TH700R-4 auto transmission???

Guts wrote: Crown is not all wheel drive.
A 1uz with the 4wd sump/diff is not all that commen, but at the same time not worth any more because of the diff/sump setup. Basicly nobody wants the sump/diff setup.

sorry should have said some are AWD also the Aristo have an AWD variant

evanstaniland wrote:which holdens come with the th700R-n autos behind them???
also are there certain holden V6's or V8's that are better than others or not?? like series 1 and 2 or the red and blue motors???

also i see alot of holden motors being used is there any reason that ford motors dont get used as much??

Evan..

They call the trans TH700R4 and they only came out in vn vp commodores only.

i believe the vp motor is better as the thermostat housing is at the front of the block and not at the rear like vn, as it frees up alot of room on one side near the rocker coverwhere as the pipes normally run.

The holden motors seem to be more compact two and eaiser to buy kits for.

Remember with the v6 and th700r4 conversion you have to get the output shaft changed in the auto to suit the 4x4 kit.

Put a motor in that suits your style of driving, I went with my set up because it's basic, has NO sensors to stuff up when doing water crossings/mud etc. The starter motor is easily got at, the parts are cheap as and are plentifull hot up bits to play with (and cheap as too).
If the conversion is done right you will have a reliable 4by that is economical and a weapon to drive.
I've built my motor to have low down torque and doesn't need to scream it's tits off to go (I've got a few mates with the Lexus V8 swap and they won't go wheeling with us any more cos of the water issues) and as I stated before if it's done right and driven sensibly you will be rapted in the V8 swap for years to come

hilux_bondy_007 wrote:hey, i currently own a hilux 22r engine and finding it doesn;t have the balls when i need it. i was thinking abt doin a engine conversion but not to sure which engine to go if it they will fit, i wouldn't mind a 350 chev but dont want something that will skull my fuel hats y thinkin gas conversion down track aswell. so any help on
wat engine best for hilux?
How much cost roughly? since cant do it myself.
and best petrol or gas?

thanks guys

Mate, the options are endless and each one will have it's pro's and cons.
A 350 is a narrower block than a Holden V8 (believe it or not) and so will have a bit more room on the sides.
Commodore V6 seems to be the most popular choice e.g. good power and economy (ecotec V6 is best)
Older V8 would be ok fuel wise if on LPG

I got a 350 and auto for my Bundy for conversion, I would have gone commy V6 but I already had the donk sitting around waiting for a home.

Hard to say what it would cost, it depends what motor you get, how much you get it for and conversion costs etc.
Most engine conversions appear to cost between 5K and 10K.
cheers

Modified Toy wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:which holdens come with the th700R-n autos behind them???
also are there certain holden V6's or V8's that are better than others or not?? like series 1 and 2 or the red and blue motors???

also i see alot of holden motors being used is there any reason that ford motors dont get used as much??

Evan..

They call the trans TH700R4 and they only came out in vn vp commodores only.

i believe the vp motor is better as the thermostat housing is at the front of the block and not at the rear like vn, as it frees up alot of room on one side near the rocker coverwhere as the pipes normally run.

The holden motors seem to be more compact two and eaiser to buy kits for.

Remember with the v6 and th700r4 conversion you have to get the output shaft changed in the auto to suit the 4x4 kit.

T700's are electronic controlled too from the VR (95) onwards.
If getting a T700 I would definitely use a trans cooler in a 4WD. These trans' dont like extra weight and heat (mainly from towing) and wont last long. My mate cooked his with a full load on the back of his Hilux (no trailer) coming back from Qld. a while back.

sudso wrote:

Modified Toy wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:which holdens come with the th700R-n autos behind them???
also are there certain holden V6's or V8's that are better than others or not?? like series 1 and 2 or the red and blue motors???

also i see alot of holden motors being used is there any reason that ford motors dont get used as much??

Evan..

They call the trans TH700R4 and they only came out in vn vp commodores only.

i believe the vp motor is better as the thermostat housing is at the front of the block and not at the rear like vn, as it frees up alot of room on one side near the rocker coverwhere as the pipes normally run.

The holden motors seem to be more compact two and eaiser to buy kits for.

Remember with the v6 and th700r4 conversion you have to get the output shaft changed in the auto to suit the 4x4 kit.

T700's are electronic controlled too from the VR (95) onwards.
If getting a T700 I would definitely use a trans cooler in a 4WD. These trans' dont like extra weight and heat (mainly from towing) and wont last long. My mate cooked his with a full load on the back of his Hilux (no trailer) coming back from Qld. a while back.

True but when the the trans was fitted to VR on they renamed it 4L60E to mean this is the electronic controled transmission.

The TH700R4 VN VP do have electronics but it only controls the lock up convertor not gear changes thats all hydralic.

True a good quality oil cooler will be a big help in cooling the trans.

HG wrote:Put a motor in that suits your style of driving, I went with my set up because it's basic, has NO sensors to stuff up when doing water crossings/mud etc. The starter motor is easily got at, the parts are cheap as and are plentifull hot up bits to play with (and cheap as too).
If the conversion is done right you will have a reliable 4by that is economical and a weapon to drive.
I've built my motor to have low down torque and doesn't need to scream it's tits off to go (I've got a few mates with the Lexus V8 swap and they won't go wheeling with us any more cos of the water issues) and as I stated before if it's done right and driven sensibly you will be rapted in the V8 swap for years to come

my style of driving is not foot to the floor it will be used in a comp truck!! would the V6 have problems with water and mud (i know diesels are better fer this but!!) or if driven properly it wil be ok (hmmm driving mud properly.....thats a flat foot job or not.....)

sudso wrote:ecotec V6 is best

is that one it the vn or the vp......is that a series 1 or 2....arnt the series 2 better than the series 1???

Modified Toy wrote:Remember with the v6 and th700r4 conversion you have to get the output shaft changed in the auto to suit the 4x4 kit.´

wasnt there a th700r4 that came with the V6 couldnt you just use that and then get an adaptor kit (or is that what your saying and im just not understanding...)

will prob go the holden option just need to finalise which engine...V6 or the V8...hmmm

Evan...

Ecotec came out later than vp

The TH700R4 box output shaft is to long so with the 4x4 kit you get a shorter output shaft that has been resplined to be the same as the transfer and then they use an adaptor coller to join both shafts together,which means you have to dismantle box to fit shorter shaft supplied.

evinstaniland wrote:

my style of driving is not foot to the floor it will be used in a comp truck!! would the V6 have problems with water and mud (i know diesels are better fer this but!!) or if driven properly it wil be ok (hmmm driving mud properly.....thats a flat foot job or not.....)

Dont know about the commy V6 but most EFI petrol motors have pretty good sealing in the electrics. I'm just talking about wiring though.
If you get a later commy V6 they dont have a dizzy to get water in and all the coil packs etc are well sealed I think.
My Isuzu (Rodeo) V6 has seals and grommets in pretty much every connector or connection, I've had the silty watery crap sprayed all over it from the fan and suffered no problems, even the ECM that sits on top of the manifold on these engines.
A good spray of Lanotec does wonders for repelling water and the mucky stuff too. Spray it on and let it dry.

evanstaniland wrote:is that one it the vn or the vp......is that a series 1 or 2....arnt the series 2 better than the series 1???

VN is Series 1, VP-VS Series 2, all of these are non Ecotec.

VT-VX Ecotec.

Main external difference Series 1 to Series 2 externally is the position of the top radiator hose, S1 exits from the rear of the engine along a tube on top of the engine, S2 exits from the front of the engine (drivers side). S1/S2 have one spark plug on each bank that points in a different direction to the other two

Main difference externally between the S1/S2 and Ecotec is the Ecotec has a lower deck height by 1", internally shorter piston height, and shorter conrods. All Ecotec engines spark plugs point the same way.

...........as far as I know (stand to be corrected)

VS is the first of the ecotec V6's

what is the difference between the series2 and the ecotec in performance ways?? is the Ecotec better than the others or not??
choosing an engine has turned out to be the hardest thing so far

evan...

evanstaniland wrote:what is the difference between the series2 and the ecotec in performance ways?? is the Ecotec better than the others or not??
choosing an engine has turned out to be the hardest thing so far

evan...

I stand to be corrected, but AFAIK I think it is S2 130kW vs Ecotec 150kW or so. I believe the Eceotec has better torque at a few hundred less rpm.

Ecotec better??? as a more refined version of the basic engine, yes. Early non Ecotecs had issues woth the rear bearing seals and a few other things, all these issues were corrected with the redesign of the Ecotec.

whats the 3.6 alloytec V6 are they compareable to the Ecotec???
any guesstamats on prices??

Evan...
ps all info is being extremly helpful thanks alot

evanstaniland wrote:whats the 3.6 alloytec V6 are they compareable to the Ecotec???
any guesstamats on prices??

Evan...
ps all info is being extremly helpful thanks alot

Alloytec 175-190 kW, physically longer by ~4".

What I was told by a wrecker is that they would be a biatch to strip away from the Commodore bodyshell as there are several computers to contend with that interface with the ECU (in itself bolted to the engine), and it has been made intentionally difficult to get them to run as "stand alone" entities in other vehicles.

Alloytec lack torque.

The series 1 VN V6 was the torqueist at low RPM, slightly tamer in VP through restrictions in the induction, they reduced th torque for driver friendlyness so you mum didn't loop it round the round a bout in the wet

DAMKIA wrote:

evanstaniland wrote:is that one it the vn or the vp......is that a series 1 or 2....arnt the series 2 better than the series 1???

VN is Series 1, VP-VS Series 2, all of these are non Ecotec.

VT-VX Ecotec.

Main external difference Series 1 to Series 2 externally is the position of the top radiator hose, S1 exits from the rear of the engine along a tube on top of the engine, S2 exits from the front of the engine (drivers side). S1/S2 have one spark plug on each bank that points in a different direction to the other two

Main difference externally between the S1/S2 and Ecotec is the Ecotec has a lower deck height by 1", internally shorter piston height, and shorter conrods. All Ecotec engines spark plugs point the same way.

...........as far as I know (stand to be corrected)

I'm far from an expert, but according to Wikipedia Ecotec was introduced with the VS in April 1995. I also thought Series 1/Series 2 were mid-model upgrade names i.e. halfway through a model (VS, VT etc.) Holden would release an "update" and call it "Series 2." No?

Scott

Yeah, VS did come out with the ECOTEC motor.

And Scott, you're spot on with each of the models having a series number, with a new series being more refined than the first of the model, with small (sometimes not noticable) changes being made.