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beretta wrote:

toughnut wrote:Yeah, The Col Hershe solenoids are great as they don't have a great voltage drop because the spring inside is slightly softer than the normal WARN items. In a normal vehicle they are fine and you wont notice any problems most of the time; however, when you have a comp truck getting the nose up to 3 meters in the air and then smashing back down to earth you can imagine the forces this places on the solenoids if they are mounted upright with the posts vertical and they lock themselves on both in and out at the same time.

So how have you got them set up? Are you just running one or have you got them wired up like a traditional solenoid pack? We're just wanting to run 12v just want to know how to set it up.

thanks for the help people!

One Allbright solenoid, completely replaces the Warn solenoid pack, which contains 4 solenoids.

There a 4 terminal posts for the +ve power cables - Field 1, Field 2, Armature and 12V from battery. The earth from the winch motor goes to the battery, not the solenoids.

There are 3, 6mm spade terminals for the control cables. One for the green wire in the handset cable, one for the black wire in the handset cable and an earth wire. The white wire in the handset cable connects to the post for the 12V power cable from the battery.

I am in for a couple

John thanks for the reply. The reason I was curious/confused was as a friend of mine asked these solenoids are only rated at 100amps continuous, but a winch pull heaps more than that sometimes, so how do they handle it?

beretta wrote:John thanks for the reply. The reason I was curious/confused was as a friend of mine asked these solenoids are only rated at 100amps continuous, but a winch pull heaps more than that sometimes, so how do they handle it?

I haven't had to do a heavy pull with mine yet. I don't know what the current rating is, but they are very popular with the winch challenge competitors in the UK.

very interested

Andy

yeah im interrested in one too, what will the price be?

Interested - maybe in two or three

Bush65 wrote:

beretta wrote:John thanks for the reply. The reason I was curious/confused was as a friend of mine asked these solenoids are only rated at 100amps continuous, but a winch pull heaps more than that sometimes, so how do they handle it?

I haven't had to do a heavy pull with mine yet. I don't know what the current rating is, but they are very popular with the winch challenge competitors in the UK.

Typically, a continuous rating is literally continuous - 24/7. I guess a mintue or two of winching at 3 or 4 times the continuous rating is something they can handle.

Cheers,

Scott

beretta wrote:

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

beretta wrote:

Bush65 wrote:

beretta wrote:Anyone got a website with info on these babies?

If you mean the solenoid in the pick. They are manufactured by Albright in the UK, but there is no info on their website www.albright.co.uk

Thanks John, I've since found heaps of info on a few UK 4x4 sites, massive price variance between what they charge in the UK, then the US and here! Get em in the UK for about $140 Aussie (retail), bout $220 retail in the US and $240 here. Anyone heading to the UK soonish? I'm thinking the relos in law over there could be sending some my way!

Hey Beretta, where abouts in the UK did you get the $140 price from?

Devon 4x4, so retail pricing, would do much better direct I guess. looking into this and have found out how to get them over here a lot cheaper. Anyone interested?

I got Dad to ring Albright (He is in England at the moment). The lady he spoke to needed a part number and a technical sheet filled out to give him a price

This is the tech sheet.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~dturner ... 20FORM.DOC

Anyone got the info needed? Or even a full Albright part number?

interested

DC88-276P is the part number - let me know how you get on....

AlbyOne wrote:DC88-276P is the part number - let me know how you get on....

Will Do

I'm no techy elecy, but from what I've read on specs of winches etc,
-12v
-Amp draw is anything from 55 up to 450amps (under full load)
-The solenoid obviously needs to be reversing also.

24V
Amp draw is from 24 upto 273amps.


Heres some other sort of useful info:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product ... ctinfo.PDF

Got the new control box up and running and works a real treat with 400 amp continious on the in circuit should have heaps of capacity. Winch sounds heaps more energetic when i tried it out last week up the bush its getting far less voltage drop at the relays 50mm CSA copper/tin coated buss bars conecting the relays and have all new 50mm CSA cables with crimped and soldered ends. Will try and attach photo.

Wally

AlbyOne wrote:Wally,

As Toughnut says these are the ducks guts – easy to wire up. I always carry a spare [have not needed it yet].



Cheers

Alby

I will have some of these in the country in the next week or two, will post up on here when I get them if anyone's still interested.

80UTE wrote:Got the new control box up and running and works a real treat with 400 amp continious on the in circuit should have heaps of capacity. Winch sounds heaps more energetic when i tried it out last week up the bush its getting far less voltage drop at the relays 50mm CSA copper/tin coated buss bars conecting the relays and have all new 50mm CSA cables with crimped and soldered ends. Will try and attach photo.

Wally

Good to hear Wally - should have plenty of staying power. Be good to see your layout.

Alby

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

AlbyOne wrote:DC88-276P is the part number - let me know how you get on....

Will Do

Dad just got back to me about the solenoids direct from Albright. He was quoted £75.12 + 17.5% VAT = £88.27 or $221.65 (at current exchange rates) for 3 or more. Plus they would take 28 days to make after payment was received.

While www.devon4x4.com have them listed at £58.69 inc VAT or $147.30

Dave

Interesting figures Dave - I see in other forums I see that Warn have also had contactors made by Albright that are supposedly available only through Warn. Sounds like agreements are in place to look after the local UK guys and Warn. Fair enough. Maybe there may be enough interest here to do a group buy from Devon4x4 to save on freight and possibly score a discount for quantity?

Cheers

Sorry for the noob questions but i am just in the process of getting my high mount shipped and no nothing about them

Will this eliminate the chance of the winch being stuck on
Are they water proof
Do i need this

I was just going to put an in cab switch to cut power to it; but from what you guys have said it sounds like that kills solenoids and sometimes motors

Ditto luxyboy's comments.

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

AlbyOne wrote:DC88-276P is the part number - let me know how you get on....

Will Do

Dad just got back to me about the solenoids direct from Albright. He was quoted £75.12 + 17.5% VAT = £88.27 or $221.65 (at current exchange rates) for 3 or more. Plus they would take 28 days to make after payment was received.

While www.devon4x4.com have them listed at £58.69 inc VAT or $147.30

Dave

Hey Dave, wait until you ask them how much to air freight them to you! I have spoken to Devon 4x4 to order a few and they wanted to charge me $120pounds for freight (about $300 aussie), I nearly choked!

The aussie distributor is useless too by the way, not interested in making a sale at all, when I originally spoke to them they said two weeks, then I rang back after two weeks and he said six to eight weeks, so I went straight to the UK and bypassed them.

I have done lots of research and I doubt we could get them here for under $170 to $180 including freight.
I have found another source for these however and will have them in the next few weeks and will hopefully have a few to sell for those who expressed interest. I am trying to maximise the order to get the best price and minimise the freight charges to keep the cost down.

Luxyboy, I've done a fair amount of research on these to find out what the deal is and I've tried to answer your queries below, someone else might be able to add more?

Will this eliminate the chance of the winch being stuck on They are designed to turn off if they fail rather than on, but I can't find anyone who knows of one failing yet?

Are they water proof They are "sealed" to an international standard, but I'll see if they're water proof in a couple of days when I put one to the test, which will include operating it while submerged to see if it leaks at all. The manufacturer claims they are water resistant.

Do i need this I guess you should think of these solenoids as an upgrade, one of these replaces four of the traditional solenoids. They're more reliable and supposedly safer due to their design. They are also cheaper in the long run.

I was just going to put an in cab switch to cut power to it; but from what you guys have said it sounds like that kills solenoids and sometimes motors Not that I have ever heard of, I've always had in cab for mine and so have a lot of mates and I haven't heard of that before, anyone else know about this one?

my solenoids were all rusted up so i got some corrosion resistant ones through work for $55 each. they're only rated at 85A continuous but intermitant theyre rated at 700A on making connection and 100A at breaking connection. they're a hell of a lot better than the dodgy ones that came with my chineese crappy winch, and they seem to work ok.

they have silver contacts but the major thing thats kills the contacts is the arcing caused by breaking connection under load, to remedy this i'm putting a 14J 95Volt Varistor accross the contacts of each solenoid. This will stop the arcing on breaking the connection. Also a back EMF protection diode accross the coil of each solenoid won't go astray either.

i'm looking at making some solid state ones, possibly MOSFET controlled ones to rid the setup of mechanical contacts.....i get bored at work so i like to make things for my car.

just my $0.02

cheers

OONDY

beretta wrote:

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

MKPatrolGuy wrote:

AlbyOne wrote:DC88-276P is the part number - let me know how you get on....

Will Do

Dad just got back to me about the solenoids direct from Albright. He was quoted £75.12 + 17.5% VAT = £88.27 or $221.65 (at current exchange rates) for 3 or more. Plus they would take 28 days to make after payment was received.

While www.devon4x4.com have them listed at £58.69 inc VAT or $147.30

Dave

Hey Dave, wait until you ask them how much to air freight them to you! I have spoken to Devon 4x4 to order a few and they wanted to charge me $120pounds for freight (about $300 aussie), I nearly choked!

The aussie distributor is useless too by the way, not interested in making a sale at all, when I originally spoke to them they said two weeks, then I rang back after two weeks and he said six to eight weeks, so I went straight to the UK and bypassed them.

I have done lots of research and I doubt we could get them here for under $170 to $180 including freight.
I have found another source for these however and will have them in the next few weeks and will hopefully have a few to sell for those who expressed interest. I am trying to maximise the order to get the best price and minimise the freight charges to keep the cost down.

It would only be local freight for me because Dad is currently in England for another week and a half, which is why he is making the phone calls, then he is back over there again in about 2-3 months.

How much are you able to get them for?

Dave, I think they're going to cost me somewhere between $170 and $180 delivered at this stage, but cheaper if I order more obviously. I've got two arriving today which already have a home, looking forward to checking them out and giving them a

Oondy, these have silver contacts and all the other fancy specs which is why they are so popular with the comp dudes.

oondy wrote:they have silver contacts but the major thing thats kills the contacts is the arcing caused by breaking connection under load, to remedy this i'm putting a 14J 95Volt Varistor accross the contacts of each solenoid. This will stop the arcing on breaking the connection. Also a back EMF protection diode accross the coil of each solenoid won't go astray either.
i'm looking at making some solid state ones, possibly MOSFET controlled ones to rid the setup of mechanical contacts.....i get bored at work so i like to make things for my car.
OONDY

OONDY for the lay man what does all that mean/cost/problem fix
and are you saying you are making better ones (MOSFET)

Beretta where is the company based in England My rellies are spread all over England
If one of them is close i could get the solenoids shipped through them

Wiring mine up for a test tonight, had a play with it last nihgt but had it wired slightly wrong.

Be carefull with the bodies on these they are very very brittle, I replaced mine because it got a small crack on top around the positive terminal, that let in moisture and corroded the inside. I then pulled it appart and it broke up even more. Might take some pics if anyone is interested.

stephen wrote:Be carefull with the bodies on these they are very very brittle, I replaced mine because it got a small crack on top around the positive terminal, that let in moisture and corroded the inside. I then pulled it appart and it broke up even more. Might take some pics if anyone is interested.

I would definately like to see some pics of this please. Do you know why it cracked?