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That is pretty much what they are..

By using Halogen downlight globes.. you can choose what light angle you want i.e. spot or spread... plus all the light energy is concentrated in the visible spectrum, so there is more visible light than what can be achieved with a broad spectrum (automotive) halogen globe

landy_man wrote:that is the plan when they arrive..
I have Hella 4000's..
and I am sure I will be able to con enough owners of other lights, with free beer, into a "shine off" some time soon

I like free beer, but it would have to be a lot to make me drive to the boonties where you are...

landy_man wrote:

That is pretty much what they are..

By using Halogen downlight globes.. you can choose what light angle you want i.e. spot or spread... plus all the light energy is concentrated in the visible spectrum, so there is more visible light than what can be achieved with a broad spectrum (automotive) halogen globe

But aren't the Roo Lights/Lightforce able to be focused? So you're doing the same thing, but with more power.

And all light energy is visible. Light is just the name of visible electromagnetic energy. Are you trying to say the light produced is concentrated over a smaller area so the intensity is increased?

lol and at TuffRR..

as for Spimon... I dont think humans can see infrared..

The light from X-Lights is high temperature with most of it's energy in the middle to top of our visual range where your eyes are most sensitive. Most lights are biased toward the red end of the spectrum and waste a lot of the light energy as heat and infrared.
This is how the X-Lights have out-shone other brands...
But I will be doing some local testing as I said when they arrive.. and doing a "proper" launch..

HIJACK OFF...

duh we can't see infra red. infra red ain't light. its non visible electromagnetic energy (not light!).


I'm hanging out for photos of these wonder lights.... If they're that good, I'm there!
Maybe for $170 for the little ones, they are good. And might stop me smashing lights.

Spimon_NH wrote:duh we can't see infra red. infra red ain't light. its non visible electromagnetic energy (not light!).


I'm hanging out for photos of these wonder lights.... If they're that good, I'm there!
Maybe for $170 for the little ones, they are good. And might stop me smashing lights.

As I said, I am waiting for stock to arrive.. then I will do my own tests.. all that I have said is what I have read on them on the UK forums.. and what is on the manufacturers website..

interestin'.....very interestin'....

So far I've smashed Narva's and Hella's... Maybe these are the answer

Spimon_NH wrote:duh we can't see infra red. infra red ain't light. its non visible electromagnetic energy (not light!).

So then why are they called Infra red lights or ultra violet lights..
Surely you are just refering to visible light..

Also not forgetting other animals CAN see in the infra red spectrum, like insects, and some deer for example...

*hang on.. need to think of how to write what I'm thinking*

Infrared lights/ultra violet lights may emit IR rays and UV rays, but we can't see that as light, so it's a dumb name.

I was reffering to 'light' being the visible part of the EMS.
I'm trying to say that if you include Ultra violet/Infrared in the 'light' category, even though we can't see it, whats to stop you calling radio waves, microwaves, x-rays, gamma-rays 'light' too.

Spimon_NH wrote:*hang on.. need to think of how to write what I'm thinking*

Infrared lights/ultra violet lights may emit IR rays and UV rays, but we can't see that as light.

I was reffering to light being the visible part of the EMS.
I'm trying to say that if you include Ultra violet/Infrared in the 'light' category, even though we can't see it, whats to stop you calling radio waves, microwaves, x-rays, gamma-rays 'light' too.

Gotcha... I now understand what you are trying to say

Cool stuff. I read too much into "light energy is concentrated in the visible spectrum".

By that do you mean with these lights, less energy is lost to heat/UV/IR and more is converted to the visible wavelengths?

(Note to self. Read less into it, think more before posting.)

Spimon_NH wrote:Cool stuff. I read too much into "light energy is concentrated in the visible spectrum".

By that do you mean with these lights, less energy is lost to heat/UV/IR and more is converted to the visible wavelengths?

(Note to self. Read less into it, think more before posting.)

yep pretty much..

Spimon_NH wrote:Cool stuff. I read too much into "light energy is concentrated in the visible spectrum".

By that do you mean with these lights, less energy is lost to heat/UV/IR and more is converted to the visible wavelengths?

(Note to self. Read less into it, think more before posting.)

Light has different wavelengths. What we call "white" light is not one wavelength, but a range - from about 350-800 nm. Some wavelengths are seen better by the eye than others.

"White" light is actually a mix of different colours:

Color
Red
Orange
Yellow
Green
Blue
Violet

Wavelength (nm)
780 - 622
622 - 597
597 - 577
577 - 492
492 - 455
455 - 390

Frequency (THz)
384 - 482
482 - 503
503 - 520
520 - 610
610 - 659
659 - 769

Each light/bulb has a specific "colour temperature" based on which frequency within the range they produce the most light.

UV is below about 350nm IR is above ablot 800nm

landy_man wrote:These have been well proven in the UK..
The price is GBP69 for either the 48 or 51mm ones..
It is only the mounting that is different...
The reason they are better is described on the site, so I wont go into it too much..
But I need to get an Aus mag to "test" them side by side with the other well known brands..
People are always sceptical of new products I suppose..and dont always believe what they read on websites.. I know I dont

Send me some for free and I'll test them

I will put my 42 watt HID Super Oscars up against those x lights any time.

Ian

amtravic1 wrote:I will put my 42 watt HID Super Oscars up against those x lights any time.

Ian

No doubt they will be brighter..
But lets mount them on the roof and drive through thick overhanging bush..
They are not designed to be the ultimate brightest light out there.. HID will always kill any halogen.. but they are designed to be the toughest, most indestructable..

well considering they appear to use standard down light halogen fittings it wouldn't take much to make something very similar. Where's some ali tube . . .

I wonder if you can aim them left and right.

GRINCH wrote:they look like household 12v downlights in a fancy housing.

Correct....

MKPatrolGuy wrote:I wonder if you can aim them left and right.

No.. they are designed as roof mounted lights..you could pack the rear out slighlty to bias them to one side..
I dont think they are a replacement for bullbar ones for highway driving, more designed for low speed 4wd night driving ...
Yes they are a fancy housing for halogen household downlights..
Yes they have a design patent..

um

the reason we pay alot for lightforce etc is the lens design.

those little house-hold-rip-off lights are going to have a totaly sheithouse light spread and will be nexto useless past about 20metres.

yeh im not really getting the point either, im using 12v household downlights for interior lights, dunno bout using them for spotties??? what would the spot, theres no lense in those pics, they simply do just look like a downlight in a piece of pvc/ally bar. surely you could knock them up yourself for under $20??? not quite sure i understand the point,....

dean

klrevo wrote:yeh im not really getting the point either, im using 12v household downlights for interior lights, dunno bout using them for spotties??? what would the spot, theres no lense in those pics, they simply do just look like a downlight in a piece of pvc/ally bar. surely you could knock them up yourself for under $20??? not quite sure i understand the point,....

dean

buy a couple 1m bits of alloy tube and you could make 10 for $20

Shadow wrote:um

the reason we pay alot for lightforce etc is the lens design.

those little house-hold-rip-off lights are going to have a totaly sheithouse light spread and will be nexto useless past about 20metres.

I have 12v "downlight" lights on my mountain bike and the light they give off (and they are 10w) is unbelievable..
I have not said these are the best and brighest lights out there.. BUT the guys I have spoken with in the UK who are using them for 4wding (not highway roo spotting) say they are the ducks nuts..
Hence, I will be bringing a few pairs in and will see for myself..
Now, lets get back to discussing chinese made lightforce copies

landy_man wrote:

Shadow wrote:um

the reason we pay alot for lightforce etc is the lens design.

those little house-hold-rip-off lights are going to have a totaly sheithouse light spread and will be nexto useless past about 20metres.

I have 12v "downlight" lights on my mountain bike and the light they give off (and they are 10w) is unbelievable..
I have not said these are the best and brighest lights out there.. BUT the guys I have spoken with in the UK who are using them for 4wding (not highway roo spotting) say they are the ducks nuts..
Hence, I will be bringing a few pairs in and will see for myself..
Now, lets get back to discussing chinese made lightforce copies

iv got the downlight type lights on my mountain bike also, they go alright, and theyre not crappy ones cos i use to work in a pushy shop, but still the light they give if is fine for riding a bike, but when driving a car.... dunno, guess youd have to wait and see,

how much did you say they are worth for a pair??? i think id rather give it a crack at making them....

iv even seen a guy run a computer webcam through the same setup and link it to his computer so he can video his sessions

i just dont think theyll be bright enough to see anything decent....perhaps they will, but even when i think of outside downlights that light up fences and plants and statues and shit in peoples gardens/houses, theyre not THAT good...

do let us know though Landy Man

dean

they wouldnt be much good for long range lighting, but i think what they'd be designed for is flood lighting near buy, eg spotting obsticale 2 foot in front of the car, would make good rock lights. my only consern would be how do they handle vibration and water splashes while they're hot? as they arent really designed for that harsh a condition on a kithchen ceiling

they wouldnt be much good for long range lighting, but i think what they'd be designed for is flood lighting near buy, eg spotting obsticale 2 foot in front of the car, would make good rock lights. my only consern would be how do they handle vibration and water splashes while they're hot? as they arent really designed for that harsh a condition on a kithchen ceiling

I checked out a pair in person today. They do not look to be anywhere near the quality units Light Force are.

But then for half the price I would not expect them to be.

Keen to hear some feedback / comparison between them and the real ones.

Jimmy

I have nitestalker 180's they pump out a shitload of white light