Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Yeah for 31's youd probably need about 4 inches!

When i get money for rock hoppers i'll probably put in a body lift to clear some 32's. But thats about it!

31's are pretty big to start off with unless you get rock hoppers or the like from the word go! They come out with like 26 inch tyres or some thing!

Just start off stock for the beach there so light you wont even nearly get stuck and some fun untill you get off your P's then go to town if you feel that you need to!

When i got mine i had big plans but the first time i took it out i knew i did'nt really need them.

Can't wait to get my P's should be awsome!

THE FIRST MOD YOU SHOULD DO IS TAKE OUT THE SWAY BAR AND CHUCK IT IN THE SHED!

Hey man i was in your exact situation not that long ago askin the exact questions. wanting big lift and bigg tyers really all becuase of the look.

iv been driving my new sierra for about 2 months now i think.
been out everyweekend.

was really suprised how it goes standard . mauls my mates 18 grand hilux around nearly any track we tried. yea the stock wheels dont look to good and dont have much clearance. but when i was gettin through stuff he couldnt the opionion of it being stock changed.

the 1st things i baught and u prob should to was recovery gear . a decent hand winch and snap straps etc has really changed my experiance.

the way im headin down the mod path is some new OME springs that i have booked in for the 1st nov.

then when i can afford it i will prob be puttin in a 2inch BL and some new 31s but thats prob around xmas in my plans.

the car will be keep in it stock condition (what ever opne i chose) for a while untill i can bring in the $$$. i just want to know it now so its ready for later.
this is my list for when i get the money

rockhopper gears,turbo clutch, 31s AT, ext shackles, 2inch lift. am i missing anything?

Why a turbo clutch?

Your missing the welded rear or lock right, rock rails, bull bar, winch, roll bar, exo, vitara motor nah just joking!

The only other thing I'd do is weld the rear diff but be VERY carefull in the wet it's alot of fun and maybe some thing to protect your sills if your into all that!

Even though i said don't get a done up one this sounds alright!

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... hp?t=90126

hahaha yer i forgot to add welded rear, not to shure what a rock rail is, bull bar is a MUST, winch maybe, roll bar for shure, exo wtf???

that car sound great however its in qul!! not going all that way to get car!!! i would but dad wouldnt take me haha.

yer so my list now is

2inch lift ext shackles, 31 AT, rockhopper gearing, welded rear end, bullbar, rollbar, lightforce spottys

Yeah a fair way to go but would only probably cost $500-600 buck to truck it!

Rock rails are like sort of side steps that are tucked up as high as they can go to protect you sills(The bit under the door). An exo is an exteria roll cage!

Not a welded rear end just the diff!

Wouldn't really get a winch the only reason i've got one is because it was on it when i brought it and it will pull a zook out but not any thing you go wheelin with! Mine a 6000 pound warn!

Just get one and have fun in it for a while!

I know what it's like to only have your L's but i get my P's at the end of feb!

When do you get your P's?

nar i rather just a rollbar thanks. yer welder rear end diff.

i going for my Ls on saturday and ill get my Ps 24/8.

going to be heaps sick ill try in stock form at the beach then ill be upgrading

24/8 next year?

Man i've heard from i go out wheelin with that he used to go down the beaches in 2 wheel drive and just drive past people that are stuck easy as!

He couldn't pull any one out though!

my birth day is 24/8/90. so yer next year.

zooks are kick ass little beasts. dad said he gana make me some ext shackles (ill post more about it like question when i going to do it) and ill probabaly just get some 2nd hand 29s for now

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but i think you should buy something mastly standard, and keep it pretty much that way till you get half way through your P's, or at least on them. Forget about a locker till you have mastered off-road driving a fair bit. A locker will put you in positions where your limited (not an insult, please dont take it as one) skill will caues you no end of grief. Learn to drive offroad with a stocker first. This makes you focus on technique first, building up a strong base. Then when you are getting better you should look to extend the vehicle's capabilitys to match yours. If you are going to lift the car, keep it as low as possible, only just enough lift to clear your tyres. Big lift for looks is moronic. making a car unstable to make it look "cool" is retarded. If you go SPOA, avoid lifted springs or body lift. You can fit 35's with just spoa and a bit of guard work. I run 31's on the road with just SPOA (dead flat springs) and its fine. Any taller and stability will suffer. Judging from your lack of understanding some terms used, i would do a heap more research into this before you acutally go ahead. Buy a zook for sure, but make sure you know what all this stuff you want is, and more importantly what it does, what is is used for and how it makes the car react and feel. Many of these lift questions and what size tyres Vs lift are answered many times in the bible at the top of page 1.



This post is not meant to be insulting, just a honest look at options for you to consider. If you want to buy a fully setup rig straight out of the box, go ahead, but IMHO you will learn and gain more from starting near stock and building the rig as you go to match. If you have any questions post up, thats what we are here for (after you check in the bible first )

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Layto....

yer yer mate i am poor atm so parts like tires, suspension wont be at least till i got my Ps probably even longer. so i got plendy of time going offroad stock and geta feel for its handeling ect. i know what your saying with going stock to build up skills so it make your realy think what line to take
i just would like to know what i would need to do first. after all i would love to see the faces of some of the 4wds at the beach when a stock zooks passes them. lmao. yer ive ready thew the bibal thats what original got me into zooks from how easy it is to gain a lift by just doing SPOA.

brendan_h wrote:yer yer mate i am poor atm so parts like tires, suspension wont be at least till i got my Ps probably even longer. so i got plendy of time going offroad stock and geta feel for its handeling ect.
i just would like to know what i would need to do first. after all i would love to see the faces of some of the 4wds at the beach when a stock zooks passes them. lmao. yer ive ready thew the bibal thats what original got me into zooks from how easy it is to gain a lift by just doing SPOA.

Be warned - SPOA isnt just easy lift. To get ir right so its safe and work on and offroad takes a bit of brains etc. Also, IMHO and probably a fair few people on this board, if your going to go SPOA, a extension of wheelbase is also advisable to maintain a bit of stability, as well as some extra width.

Layto....

lay80n wrote:

brendan_h wrote:yer yer mate i am poor atm so parts like tires, suspension wont be at least till i got my Ps probably even longer. so i got plendy of time going offroad stock and geta feel for its handeling ect.
i just would like to know what i would need to do first. after all i would love to see the faces of some of the 4wds at the beach when a stock zooks passes them. lmao. yer ive ready thew the bibal thats what original got me into zooks from how easy it is to gain a lift by just doing SPOA.

Be warned - SPOA isnt just easy lift. To get ir right so its safe and work on and offroad takes a bit of brains etc. Also, IMHO and probably a fair few people on this board, if your going to go SPOA, a extension of wheelbase is also advisable to maintain a bit of stability, as well as some extra width.

Layto....

there goes SPOA for me. too hard to ext. ill just stick with the ext shacles.

EDIT= just read that ext shackles are illegal! being a P plater i will stand out to cops like dogs balls! how much will the fine be?

Wheel base extension isnt essential SPOA just recomended. At the same time, most people recomend it SPUA too . Spoa also requirescustom steering, Knuckle roation to retain factory caster angles and keep driveshafts happy, spring perches to be moved from bottom to top of axle, shock location modification, driveshaft spacers, or longer shafts, and probably some other stuff that i cant remember doing to mine when it went SPOA. As for mods, keep your eyes on the forsale section here, as often second hand springs etc come up for sale. This should give you a hint at prices. Ext shackles dont stand out much at all, cops dont often pic stuff up like that, that is usually RTA kind of stuff. I hanve 40mm ext shackles made from c-channel. If they were made to look like standard ones, they would be almost invisible. You can run standard Wheel base with SPOA, its just recomended you extend it. It depends on what you want to do. If you only wanna bach through the mud and trails, then it would be okay. I use mine mainly in the rocks, so stability is pretty important . Where do you live. I'm sure that someone near by might be able to give you a quick ride in their rig, maybe show you first hand about stuff. Also look into clubs. I know the vic zook club always welcome people from here to come and have a look. Talking to owners and getting the first hand info is the best way.

Layto....

i live blacktown area.
yer i just wana hit some trails/beach. not rocks but if i ever change my mind i can always look into it. but like i said befor ill probably get ext shackles with 29s then ill lift it and ge 31s once i get better and money persist

I got no sway bar extended shackles! When i get on my p's i think i'll be taking it very easy around the coppers!

I would probably tell you not to do a SPOA just because it hased to be engineered (i think) and on a narrow track mine with 3" is pretty tall! And when on some side angles it really doesn't feel good!

yer ive read about the swaybar. yer ill probably have to drive extra extra slow and make shure to follow everything so i wont get pulled up. how much would the fine be for ext shackles?

I dont think they would really go straight to check that. I think as long as they look original as in not 2 piecse of flat steel and some dodgy bolts to hold them in!

The sway bar doesn't make the handeling much different on a stocker on road but you tell with the lift i've got if you go around a round about at anything over 40k's!

Taking the sway bar if highly illegal and you smash it you better hope you can it back on before any insurance company looks at your car at your insurance will cover it! Unless your not going to insure it!

haha. so how wouild i make ext shackels to look original?

going for my Ls at 11.

When there stock they are just like a small c channel piece of steel with nothing in the middle. But i went and got some probably 20'mm flat steel and some square tube and drilled the holes were i wanted them and then welded the tube in the middle!

A copper that doesn't 4x4 wouldn't know and a copper that does have a 4x4 would probably skip right past it! The sway bar is the major thing!

Good luck with your L's!

Mine are pretty much like these but a bit longer i think! And mine cost about $15!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Suzuki-Sierra-Ex ... dZViewItem

yer thanks. yer dad will be able to weld somthing up to look original

cool!

Neraly every thing you want to do a zook you can do your self there a pretty easy car to work on.

So did you get your L's?

just got back. yer got my Ls perfect as well no questions wrong. so in a few months time i will be on the hunt for a zook

Well done!

Pretty easy test really! Don't know how people fail it it's all common sense!

i failed my first time. lmao. yer but its easy now.

I had a friend who failed like 3 times but he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed!

my sister failed 4 times!