Outer Limits 4x4 Board

Alison wrote: What does everything think about the change in tyre size rules?
Alison

I personally disagree with the larger tyre size and voted that way on the ccda web page. I disagree for a variety of reasons however I am not prepared to post those here as they will be used against us.

Alison wrote: What do people think of the change in winches rule being for Electric & PTO/Hydraulic???
Alison

I raised this directly as I felt it was unfair. If anything goes with electric then same should apply for pto/hydraulic.

What would be helpful to both competitors, and to the CCDA, is to have more members getting involved. There is currently a very small group of volunteers putting their time & effort into various aspects our sport.
It is an organisation run by competitors, for competitors, so how about some positive feedback into ways of improving various aspects of the CCDA that you don’t like at the moment, and follow that up by getting involved and taking some of the work load off the existing volunteers.
If you haven’t received your membership card and aren't currently involved, how about you put aside a day of your time to help out.

So what do we have to do to help?

If information is not being sent out how are we to know you need help?

So what do we have to do to help?

If you or any other member wants to get involved, it would be greatly appreciated, we want all the states to be involved and compete under the same rules & regs. Please forward your contact details to Mike Smith, the current CCDA President, smithy@acepia.net.au
Let us know where you are based, and we will contact you to request your assistance and feedback to various issues. There is a committee meeting shortly so anyone who can get involved please forward your details asap.

If information is not being sent out how are we to know you need help?

Fair comment, the web site is always there to refer to, but our plan to help get the information out there is to forward a newsletter to all members, are there any other suggestions ?

I have been a licensed CAMS official since 1998. I was unfortunate enough to be around through the implementation of the current officiating system. As time went on it got better. Much better.
The CCDA is probably the best thing that has happened for this sport and to keep inline with insurance and litigation obligations they will need to evolve, develope and refine rule and regulations for many years to come.
As a competitor you need to accept that these are the facts. If you don't like the way things happen then get off ya bum and get along to CCDA meetings and voice your issues. Rules are rules, if you want to play then you play by the rules. We will never have rules that suit everyone.
Getting back to my offroad racing involvement and CAMS, the rules were implemented by the competitors. In saying this it was a select few. There are state panels that make recomendations to a national panel. If you are lucky enough to get a seat at one of these meetings (read, group of mates that band together!) then your voice may get heard but probably not.
This is what we need to watch out for.
I am in no way implying this is the case or making reference to anyone in particular but the CCDA will get governed by the guys who run at the elite level. Why? because they have the time, money and passion to be involved to that level. As with off road racing what that leaves is a bunch of up and coming competitors forced to run under the rules of the big boys.
Guys that have 37's in there shed are wrapped they can bolt them on again. Guys that can't afford 37's just got another kick in the nads.
Things will happen that we don't like. We need to roll with it and do what we can. CCDA is the only way we can guarantee our sport into the future, so embrace it, love it or hate it, it's here to stay and we need it.
Now, can someone please give me a postage address for the CCDA and tell me how i can renew my membership with my correct name.
Cheers Dan

oops. posted twice.

Smithy jnr wrote:So what do we have to do to help?

If you or any other member wants to get involved, it would be greatly appreciated, we want all the states to be involved and compete under the same rules & regs. Please forward your contact details to Mike Smith, the current CCDA President, smithy@acepia.net.au
Let us know where you are based, and we will contact you to request your assistance and feedback to various issues. There is a committee meeting shortly so anyone who can get involved please forward your details asap.

If information is not being sent out how are we to know you need help?

Fair comment, the web site is always there to refer to, but our plan to help get the information out there is to forward a newsletter to all members, are there any other suggestions ?

As you can see from the posts - communication is your issue. Lack thereof completely.

As with every club/association and group - the way it is perceived is a direct result of the way it has been run. Now I can go get 38 boggers and compete with advantage. With my stock PTO on cable...??

I saw the rule change previously to stop advatage gained, now it appears that the rules has been reversed to suit that saleability of a particluar brands tyre that previously had the stigma of not fitting the old gauge(which it did anyway!).

I have had doubts about the concept of a "boys Club" which the current setup is run as and the ability to take on opinions without being shouted down becuase it may impact on a committee members competitivenes or potential to keep their advantage. Professionally run outfits communicate with stakeholders, allow input into critical measure sand most importantly have a transparent reporting system that deals with people thinking up ositions for themselves.

From the outside looking from 5 years ago til now - the nature of the sport has changed and the select few have the ability to oputspend the majority and keep turning the sport into an elitists playground where growth is retarded because the average man has no chance as teh rules are changed with consultation except within the ranks of the select few.

Safety, survivability and saleability are what you should be working for - not trying to sneak rule changes in to force your brand onto people.

I Think re evaluation and assesment of what and how CCDA delivers to the stakeholders is a key task to ponder over this off season. A newsletter - great - how about group emails, sms and other ways to include people in.

Cheers - rant mode off.

Have never recived a card or newsletter

%^$#$

Not saying a think

Mock

I received my card and newsletter on proposed rule changes. This is the first newsletter I have ever received. First of all who put forward these proposed rule changes? I'm not able to get along to CCDA meetings but I would have thought that all members would be consulted or made aware of such a big changes. I think the proposed change to 37" tyres is a bad move. I'd rather see it go back to 35's. The sports already expensive enough so why put extra strain and cost on vehicles. The newsletter also mentions the 2 classes (Trophy and Challenge) which have been in CCDA rules for a while now but are never used. In Vic comps we all compete in Challenge class. Does this meen the two classes will be implementd from now on? This would be great as we wouldn't all have to spend mega dollars to compete with high horsepower mega dollar trucks. Lastly I think the CCDA has done great things for the sport, but it would be nice if all the members were kept informed a little better.

Peoples
The CCDA newsletter is now available on the CCDA web page in the download section and it will be sent to all members in the very near future.
Cheers
Jonesy

So do people only report when things seem wrong??????
Who got the newsltter and what do you think??
Jonesy

MYTTUF wrote:So do people only report when things seem wrong??????
Who got the newsltter and what do you think??
Jonesy

Yeah, got mine Jason, good job on the first one.
Will these be monthly or less frequent?

Got mine the other day.
Format looks good, thanks Jason

As i joined up at Vic Winch 06 surely my membership should of gone through yet, others have recieved cards & newsletter yet i have not so it makes me think that the money i coughed up might of gone to another cause...

Big Red Toy... Rather than posting your discrepancies with the CCDA on Outerlimits - Have you tried contacting them via the Contact link on the CCDA website...http://ccda.info/cms/index.php?module=vpContact explaining your situation & the fact that you havent yet received anything. No doubt its as simple as a wrong street number or incorrect spelling of your address??.. The CCDA have the website & forum for its members to utilise & by using the contact form your query is sure to be dealt with.

ads80 wrote:Big Red Toy... Rather than posting your discrepancies with the CCDA on Outerlimits - Have you tried contacting them via the Contact link on the CCDA website...http://ccda.info/cms/index.php?module=vpContact explaining your situation & the fact that you havent yet received anything. No doubt its as simple as a wrong street number or incorrect spelling of your address??.. The CCDA have the website & forum for its members to utilise & by using the contact form your query is sure to be dealt with.

I had already done that & got no reply

I encourage you to move these discussions to the CCDA forums on http://ccda.info Then a record of the discussions can be maintained to help the committee make the decisions they need to.

Outerlimits 4x4 is a great place to draw general attention to issues, but the CCDA forum is a better place for the discussions.

Anyone who has ever joined the CCDA is registered with a login on the CCDA site. If you are a current, or former member and have difficulty logging in, us know through the Contact Us form on the site.


Membership Year. When should it begin and end?

Big Red Toy wrote:

ads80 wrote:Big Red Toy... Rather than posting your discrepancies with the CCDA on Outerlimits - Have you tried contacting them via the Contact link on the CCDA website...http://ccda.info/cms/index.php?module=vpContact explaining your situation & the fact that you havent yet received anything. No doubt its as simple as a wrong street number or incorrect spelling of your address??.. The CCDA have the website & forum for its members to utilise & by using the contact form your query is sure to be dealt with.

I had already done that & got no reply

I reply to all inquiries relating to membership within a couple of days. I do not follow-up bounced emails, so please ensure that you have your email address right in the contact form.

MYTTUF wrote:Peoples
The CCDA newsletter is now available on the CCDA web page in the download section and it will be sent to all members in the very near future.
Cheers
Jonesy

Well how time flies. The Feb adition is available at http://ccda.4wd.org.au/cms/index.php?na ... it&lid=119 and yes will be posted soon.
Jonesy

okz00k wrote:

Big Red Toy wrote:

ads80 wrote:Big Red Toy... Rather than posting your discrepancies with the CCDA on Outerlimits - Have you tried contacting them via the Contact link on the CCDA website...http://ccda.info/cms/index.php?module=vpContact explaining your situation & the fact that you havent yet received anything. No doubt its as simple as a wrong street number or incorrect spelling of your address??.. The CCDA have the website & forum for its members to utilise & by using the contact form your query is sure to be dealt with.

I had already done that & got no reply

I reply to all inquiries relating to membership within a couple of days. I do not follow-up bounced emails, so please ensure that you have your email address right in the contact form.

Well you have my details..... Did i happen to pay some bogus guy standing in the carpark with ccda stuff on him

Yes you guessed it, The March newsletter is on the webpage and will be mailed out soon to members. You should know where to find it without a link. Oh and what do you think of the newsletter???
Jonesy

Newsletter is good value. Informative and interesting.

Speak to me when you do your next mail run - maybe we can get the details for the newsletter matched to the next cards run - seeing as I still havn't got mine after renewing at Vic winch??? Also saves on postage.

PM me for details Jonesy. I look after the Trackwatch stuff as well.

Catch